The Bushes

[ditchdj]

Anyone on this side of the Atlantic fed up yet with Republicans gushing about how great the Bushes are yet??? If Jeb decides to run in 2008 I plan on becoming a proud supporter of Michael Schiavo's organization "Terri Pac".

[Rapscallion]

I find it interesting that, for a country that threw off the shackles of an oppressive, hereditary aristocracy, only to start voting for exactly the same thing :p

Rapscallion

[AFPheonix]

I wasn't old enough to vote in the election that Bush Sr. won, and I voted against Bush Jr. both times. I absolutely adored Gore and was very sad that he didn't win, Kerry was more of a "well, he doesn't suck quite as bad" decision.

Thank god for term limits.

And Jeb? Egads, I don't want him in office. I've had enough of complete morons for the last 6 years.....shudder.....

[rahmota]

Tell me about it Rapscallion. I was unimpressed with King Bush the First and am definately tired and disgusted by King Bush the Second. If Dubya had been a democrat over half the stuff he has done would have gotten him impeached considering how much more heinous and offensive his crimes are than the piddance Clinton did. BUt since he's a republican and a favorite of the christian fundies and big business he has to really work to do something bad enough to get the "mainstream" mad at him.

All Clinton did was keep secret he diddled an intern in the oval office.

Bush II has violated international treaties, invaded soverign countries on lies and misinformation in a blatent war of aggression, taken prisoner non-citizens as well as citizens without charging them of crimes only by using executive authority to declare them enemy combatants, violated the geneva protocols on prisoner treatments, basically distroyed social services in america in favor of big business, participated or otherwise profited from election fraud, criinal neglect in the actions after hurricane Katrina among other high crimes and misdemeaners.

So yeah you could say I am very tired of Dubya and the whole way society has changed and turned disgusting. The Republicans and King Bush and all the high fiving backslapping of how much "better" things have gotten. Maybe up on the hill but down in the valley poor people and those barely making it are struggling even harder thanks to them.

[ArenaBoy]

In the words of Tom Morello Clinton was impeached because of a blowjob, nobody ever died of a blowjob.

I don't like Bush at all for the same reasons above and he's given Americans a bad image, but thankfully he provides plenty of ammo for the Daily Show.

[rahmota]

Oy vey does it seem like Bush II is trying to see how big a hole he can dig this country into? I mean I read this in the news about him wanting to increase the size of the military:

In an interview with The Washington Post posted online Tuesday, Bush said the military needed to grow because "this ideological war we're in is going to last a while."

An idealogical war, isnt that one of the things the middle east has been involved in for oh say the past 2000 years? Such a lovely thing to become involved in. (/sarcasm)

Arenaboy: I'd say a lot of people have died due to the blowjob Bush II gave the american public and congress over iraq.

[Giggle Goose]

Did anyone see the Rolling Stone this month? Granted, they are biased, but they interviewed this guy that used to run the World Bank who said that we could have fixed Social Security with all this money we're spending on the war. It has a picture of Uncle Sam sitting at a table after what has obviously been a big, expensive meal, with the piles of empty plates, wine bottles, and whatnot. So the waiter is giving Uncle Sam the bill, which is obviously huge, because he looks like: :eek:

Meanwhile, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are walking away from the table with looks on their face like: :D Thought it was pretty representative of what we are going through right now. I really try not to be biased growing up with a liberal upbringing, but really, c'mon. It's time to put the whole Bible-thumping, holier-than-thou mentality to rest and start taking care of our own country.

[rahmota]

Amen! and hallejuh Giggle Goose!:D

[ditchdj]

The biggest excuse I hear for everyone voting for the same crop of retards:

"Well look who's running against them!"

My biggest retort:

"Well look who we got running the country right now!" :mad:

I would openly EMBRACE Hillary Clinton in '08 than any stupid Bush tool the Republicans send out to run in '08.

[ditchdj]

I find it interesting that, for a country that threw off the shackles of an oppressive, hereditary aristocracy, only to start voting for exactly the same thing

Because a lot of people here think that trading freedom for perceived "safety and security" will prevent 9/11 from ever happening again and that we'll all be safe. Sure, it looks great on paper and it sounds great when Bush and the Republicans preach about it while they praise Jesus in the same sentence. Even I thought it was great until I actually thought about it. With all these new and goofy security measures already in place it still happened. All the new security procedures that have been introduced to our nation's schools have NOT put a stop to school shootings. And all the stupid gun control laws here have NOT put a stop to violent crime. But most people here dont wanna hear that and just wanna hear what they wanna hear.

Benjamin Franklin couldnt have said it better himself....

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[MadMike]

The only good thing I can say about Bush is that at least he can't run again. No one has ever made me want to punch the TV more than he has. I'm glad to see that people are starting to wise up to his bullshit, but I'm wondering just what the hell took so long? Normally, I can see both sides of the argument, but I can't see how anyone can think he's doing a good job.

I only started voting a little over a year ago, thanks to a very politically-oriented friend who persuaded me to start voting, so I didn't vote for or against him either time, but at least this time around, I was able to help get rid of his clone, who most people know as Rick Santorum.

I think what pisses me off most about him is that if you dare to disagree with him, you're branded "unpatriotic", a traitor, or a terrorist. Sounds like a classic case of "pot, kettle" to me.

[ditchdj]

Normally, I can see both sides of the argument, but I can't see how anyone can think he's doing a good job.

Lynn Samuels referred to people like that as "Bushbots".

[ArenaBoy]

To those who do not exactly like Bush there is a band called the Flaming Lips who just released an album titled At War with the Mystics. The entire album criticises Bush and his actions, very notable in a song called Haven't Got a Clue where a lyric reads: Every time you throw a fit, I can't decide if your full of it, Every time you state your case the more I like to punch your face. And Mike that song would suit you because I've been through that phase so many times. The sad thing is my dad loves the guy. I feel bad for him because his son (me) is as left as they come and we refuse to talk politics. Many of his actions could've been used for better things but it's been wasted on this war and I have a friend serving the Army and I'm worried that he'll get killed because of the war. Also on a side note, did anyone ever notice that it's the ones who never served a war that want a war and that those that served want to avoid it at all costs? Bush has no idea as to not only what he's putting us through, but what he's putting families through as well.

[TheRoo]

The reason that the people who didn't go to Vietnam are so for this occupation of Iraq is because they don't know what it is like. The only member of the Bush administration that had doubts about it was Collin Powell, who was a four star general, and he got fired after Bush's First term.

The thing that amazes me the most about this is how they were able to spin John Kerry's military record. Here was a highly decorated veteran whom they made out to be a coward, while the guy who went AWOL from his national guard unit was the brave one.

[Giggle Goose]

(((Hugs ditchdj, rahmota, afphoenix, arenaboy, raps, madmike, and anyone else posting in this thread I can't think of right now))) It's nice to know people feel the same way I do!!!!! Everyone's points are so well thought-out that I can't mention them all. :D

[ditchdj]

Hey I got another major bitch-rant about people that support giving up freedom and liberty for safety and security......

With more and more law enforcement agencies and the government instituting their Nazio-Gestapo-like tactics on cracking down on people not wearing their seatbelts and people buying "too many" things of cold medicine, how come crime is NOT eliminated????? Why is shit STILL getting stolen out of my yard??? :mad: I mean, if we're gonna turn this country into one big prison-run police state then why arent things getting better??? :confused:

[rahmota]

Because the cops are too busy being nannies chasing down people who arnt wearing their seatbelts, driving without front plates (a big nono in ohio which for some odd reason still requires a front and rear plate) or otherwise doing stuff that deals with whatever major PR program the politicos have on their table right now. Crackdowns on crime generally only do minor things. To eliminate or truely reduce crime one has to go to the root of the problems and change the mindset of the society but that is a subject for another thread.

[ditchdj]

Someone on another board pointed out that every single war that we've declared on, terrorism, drugs, crime, has all failed miserably. Maybe it's time for a different approach for a change.

[Luna]

The only good thing I can say about Bush is that at least he can't run again.

I think what pisses me off most about him is that if you dare to disagree with him, you're branded "unpatriotic", a traitor, or a terrorist. Sounds like a classic case of "pot, kettle" to me.

Exactly. Why is that? I don't kill people, violate treaties, start wars based on lies...why am I branded as a liberal demon when all I want is peace and $$ to fund oUR poor and OUR country. That sounds patriotic to me.

[rahmota]

Luna: because to say anything about the poor and downtrodden in america needing help would be to accept that this country has a problem and is not the great and wonderful utopia that many righties want to make this country out to be. Don't you know in their minds anyone who doesnt have a job just doesnt want to work and wants to be on welfare or living hand to mouth in underpaid wageslave jobs.

Besides the sound of sabers rattling has such a pleasant ring doesn't it?:rolleyes:

[TNT]

One of the problems in the US is that political labels tell us very little... you can never be sure which party is going to stand for what ideals at any given time.

Consider the 1960s, during the War on Communism. In 1961, the Republican Dwight Eisenhower said this:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."

Meanwhile, the Kennedy-Johnson-Humphrey wing of the Democratic party brought us Vietnam and all that came with it.

[rahmota]

Republican and Democrat have drifted so far from whatever they where supposed to be about and mingled into the business as usual politics that they should just be called Republocrats now.

[Luna]

One of the top 100 reasons why I hate the Bush:

G.W. Bush (R), as Governor of Texas. Interviewed on ABC's Good Morning America, 1999-JUN-24 by Peggy Wehmeyer. Bush's comment was in response to the Wiccan soldiers at a military camp in Texas being given the right to meet together on base -- the same right as has always been given to Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.

"I don't think witchcraft is a religion. I would hope the military officials would take a second look at the decision they made."

and then goes on to say:

George W. Bush, President:

Address to a joint session of Congress, 2001-SEP-20.

"I ask you to uphold the values of America and remember why so many have come here. We're in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them. No one should be singled out for unfair treatment or unkind words because of their ethnic background or religious faith."

At a news conference on 2005-APR-28:

"Role of religion in our society? I view religion as a personal matter. I think a person ought to be judged on how he or she lives his life or lives her life. And that's how I've tried to live my life: through example. Faith plays an important part in my life individually. But I don't ascribe a person's opposing my nominations to an issue of faith….The great thing about America is that you should be allowed to worship any way you want. And if you choose not to worship, you're equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose to worship, you're equally American if you're a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim."

WTF??? Can anyone say two-faced lair? I can.

[Myra]

Anybody catch the Presidential speech last night? Or at least read the highlights? He wants to send in 20,000 MORE troops. That's 20,000 more human lives.

In an article in the new Newsweek, Obama said he doesn't think Congress will block the funding for the troops because they basically don't want to make waves this early after they were all elected. We're talking about HUMAN LIVES! Men and women! Making waves indeed!

We've lost nearly 3,000 last I heard. It's been five years since 9/11 and Bin Laden is still out there. How about focusing on that a bit, eh?

I cannot agree with the statement that "the troops signed up for this...it's a volunteer situation..." Because I believe that we have a RESPONSIBILITY to not send these men and women into a bad situation. I believe that Saddam was a monster. But the monster I was worried about is the one who orchestrated the biggest attack on OUR SOIL since Pearl Harbor. Perhaps I am crazy, I do not know. I just don't want him around to think up and try another one.

This I do know: every time President G.W. Bush opens his mouth, my blood pressure goes up.

[rahmota]

Well catching Osama would actually kinda be bad for Bush & the right wingers. I mean an Osama running loose in the wild is like the perfect boogyman to rattle in front of congress to get more money, troops and concessions passed.
Osama the gift that keep on giving.

[Myra]

Well catching Osama would actually kinda be bad for Bush & the right wingers. I mean an Osama running loose in the wild is like the perfect boogyman to rattle in front of congress to get more money, troops and concessions passed.
Osama the gift that keep on giving.
I could see this if this was actually what Bush and his ilk were doing. Not the "We need money to fight for the freedom of the Iraqi people..." song and dance we've been hearing.

First it was to fight terrorists. Then it was to get Saddam because he has WMD's. Then it was okay, he doesn't have WMD's, but he's a monster so we need to get him out for the Iraqis so they can have democracy too.

It's just become a giant mess.

[MadMike]

Anybody catch the Presidential speech last night? Or at least read the highlights? He wants to send in 20,000 MORE troops. That's 20,000 more human lives.


I don't watch that stuff, especially since he became president. I'm afraid if I do, I'll either throw the TV, or I'll throw something heavy at the TV. I was furious enough when I read the paper, but at least I can't hurt anything by throwing a newspaper.

My first reaction was, "Hasn't he gotten enough people killed?"

What's the problem, wouldn't his daddy get him a set of army men when he was little? Is that why he insists on playing childish games with real army men today? :mad:

They say you shouldn't wish someone dead, but I sincerely wish he'd just die already.

[rahmota]

Myra: Yeah I know what you mean. This is an incredible mess. In the begining after 9/11 it was all about Osama, then saddam, now its save the iraqi people, then Osama when there's slow news about Iraq. JUst a disgusting mess. Whats even more sad is I saw a political pundit who was saying that we needed to keep the troops there until we won a decisive victory otherwise it would make America look weak like we where running away from something.

I know some people are claiming this is the modern Vietnam but I dont know. This in many ways is a lot messier than that. And with the addition of the various religious elements instead of just nationalism that throws a whole nuther level of complexity into it. But considering how Bush II missed out on the whole Vietnam thing by getting to stay stateside how would we expect him to be able to figure this out?

[ditchdj]

Another lame excuse I hear about supporting Bush and his war policies is that "Well we should ALWAYS support the President, no matter who it is". Yeah well was it right for the German people to support Hitler. After all, they were merely just supporting THEIR "President". Never mind what HE was responsible for, right???

Another idiotic excuse I hear about supporting Bush is, "Well look at who's running against him??? My response is, "Well look at who we got running the country right NOW!" :mad:

[AFPheonix]

What scares me even more is that he STILL hasn't learned from this quagmire he's gotten us all into. It's projected that he'll take military action against Iran before he leaves.


Hello? Small army, already shot to hell, can't really take on yet another endless war, dumbass.

[rahmota]

Well I'll say that the OFFICE of the president and the legal chain of command should be respected as to do otherwise would not bode well for a civil democracy. However the person holding that office does not deserve to be instantly obeyed and respected just because he is in that office. The president is not bigger than the country and his duty as commander in chief is to preserve, protect and defend the constituion of the united states and its citizens. So far King Bush II has not exactly been doing a good job of that.

I know I've heard those projections as well. I wonder if Dubya ever played Risk? Ever play it and have a huge army and then string them out across the board in a blitzkrieg leaving one guy in each country? Not a good long term strategy is it? Doesnt work in the game, doesnt work in real life.

[Dreamstalker]

Lynn Samuels referred to people like that as "Bushbots".
I'm starting to see a Dalek parallel as well...maybe not his supporters, but definitely the inner circle.

My mom and I tuned in to Bushie's speech, but quickly abandoned it for CSI. I'm somewhat surprised I didn't get a call from my dad telling me he broke his TV set with a laptop thrown through the screen.

What really tweaks me off is the rhetoric "you're not supporting the troops because you're not supporting Bush" (or something along those lines; I've tuned out the exact phrasing)....bwuh?

[counterjockey]

I know I've heard those projections as well. I wonder if Dubya ever played Risk? Ever play it and have a huge army and then string them out across the board in a blitzkrieg leaving one guy in each country? Not a good long term strategy is it? Doesnt work in the game, doesnt work in real life.

Hey Rah, if you listened to "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" this last weekend, they answered your question! Apparently, Dubya was a big fan of the game in college and was always launching half-cocked (in whichever sense of the word you choose) attacks.

Quoth Peter Sagal: "This explains why he asked if we could invade Iraq by going through Australia first, so we could get some extra armies that way.":D :D

http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=35

It's just after the "Not My Job" game with Weird Al Yankovic!

[rahmota]

counterjockey: No I missed that. But Oh boy that's not a comforting piece of information. I now wonder if he kept a Risk War Diary ala Rimmer from Red Dwarf.

I missed the state of the union speech (I can sum it up in two words It sucks!) but got enough of the highlights to see that it was not happy joy joy glad tidings to come.

[BusBus]

I only started voting a little over a year ago, thanks to a very politically-oriented friend who persuaded me to start voting, so I didn't vote for or against him either time, but at least this time around, I was able to help get rid of his clone, who most people know as Rick Santorum.



Thanks to Dan Savage, most of us have heard of Rick Santorum :D