Why I hate being banned...

[Hobbs]

...maybe I should place bets on how quickly this gets threadjacked...any takers?

Anyways...

1) PFB: I hate that I can't talk about it anymore.

2) Pulse Rifle: The one true thing I really wanted to share with a lot of people, and I had huge support, but now it's like, "What's the point?"

3) Watching what I say: I gotta be careful in PM's and in replies here to make sure I'm staying away from the whole subject of my banning. Making a fresh start is hard when most everyone knows about it.

There's prolly more...I'll add on if people want. IDK.

Ed: I'd rather not this become the place to discuss the why-fores and whether-to's. Anyone who cares can PM me. Thank you.

[blas87]

I don't want to come across as rude or uncaring, but you really have no one to blame but yourself.

I noticed you were on "moderated poster" status for a while....that should be enough right there to quit breaking rules.

[Hobbs]

I don't want to come across as rude or uncaring, but you really have no one to blame but yourself.

I noticed you were on "moderated poster" status for a while....that should be enough right there to quit breaking rules.
Please read my edit.

[the_std]

I'm not sure if you're going to get much sympathy from the posters in this forum, seeing as how most of us come directly from CS and love that site and its moderators, which includes trusting them to make the right decisions. It's pretty much a family mentality. So you did something to obviously break the rules and I'm not sure what you're expecting from us. Go ahead and rant all you like, but by posting this thread, you have to realize what you are opening yourself up to.

[HYHYBT]

How to approach this... I'd love to discuss, but have nothing to go on. The circumstances of your banning are apparently off-limits, and I can't just commiserate because I've never been banned, ever, anywhere. I don't think I've ever even had a post or comment removed (unless the entire thread was deleted) except one time, and that was a comment on article on a Catholic News site saying that their church was doing evil in the name of good, so a deletion was all but expected. (Even there, a more gently-worded replacement comment was accepted.)

[Hobbs]

I've never been banned before either. So I'm still trying to come to terms with it.

[crazylegs]

I'm confused as to the point of this thread.

You've posted on a debate forum, yet asked people not to debate it and when someone posts a response that isn't what you want to hear you don't really reply other than "re read what I posted".

So what is it that you want?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I'm gonna take a random stab and say that he wanted to vent.

Here...

in a venting thread...

in a venting forum...

[Boozy]

I'm gonna take a random stab and say that he wanted to vent.

Here...

in a venting thread...

in a venting forum...

:confused:

Fratching is a debate forum, and is billed as such.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

:confused:

Fratching is a debate forum, and is billed as such.

Allow me to be more specific:

Venting/Ranting Subforum.

[DrFaroohk]

When I was in high school I used to get banned all the fucking time from different forums. I was a prick I guess.

Nowadays I just get lots of warnings. I've been pretty good on here and CS though. A few warnings, but nothing major. I think it's because there's more people like elsporko who make me look better (like in my "black sheep" thread).

[crazylegs]

Making a fresh start is hard when most everyone knows about it.

Then why make an entire thread the subject of it?

[Ree]

Venting/Ranting Subforum.On a DEBATE site.

From the "How this forum works post:
Only got time for a five-minute rant? Not enough time for a reasoned post? Here you go!

Don't worry - someone will be along to prove you wrong in a short while...

Rapscallion

Then why make an entire thread the subject of it?Seriously...I wonder how many people even noticed or wondered why you were banned until you pointed it out.

[Hobbs]

I just wanted to make a list of things I hate about it, really. I figured no one cared.

4) As per my laziness, I have to dig through spam to find the emailed versions of my PM's to get people's email addresses.

5) I seem to get more PM's here, and I keep having to cull my in/out boxes.

More to come :D

[Plaidman]

I uh, do kind find it intresting that you changed your title and signature shortly after your banned.

Kinda like a matryr.

People get banned from sites alot. I've been banned from some when I was younger. I been banned by a friend of mine at his site, because I didn't post anything on his game thread, because of well, work.

You move on. You take your lesson you learn, and realize that hey, I made a mistake. Time to not do that again.

Your still here, you still can post here. So its not a total ban. (which I've seen happened...)

[Hobbs]

I changed my sig to match what it was back on CS.

[Ree]

I just wanted to make a list of things I hate about it, really. I figured no one cared.My point was that you listed the inability to make a fresh start when everyone knew about your ban, yet, if you hadn't made this post venting about it, a lot of people probably wouldn't have thought twice about it and wouldn't even have noticed you were gone from CS.

[telecom_goddess]

wouldn't even have noticed you were gone from CS.


nice burn :p

[Ree]

nice burn :pOuch! You're right, and I apologize to Hobbs.
I didn't mean for that to come off as nasty as it seemed.

What I meant was, if members are active on both sites, and a banned member continues to be active on one, but not another, many people don't even notice that the person is missing on the other site.
They continue to see the member's name, so they don't really stop to think about it. They don't make the distinction that the name is only popping up on one site.

Since Hobbs has been active on fratching since January, and since his ban at CS, has had about 60 posts and started 2 threads over here, as well as continuing and being active in a debate started at CS, but moved over here, many people would just assume he's still active on CS unless it was pointed out to them, or they are on his friend's list and he's let them know about the ban.

That was all I meant. As I said, it was not intended as a burn.

[blas87]

Personally, I don't care why you were banned and I'm not curious enough to ask you. I was just pointing out that I did notice for a period of time that you were a moderated poster, and that meant you'd done enough to have to have all your posts approved first, so that should have clued you in that you need to quit breaking rules before you get banned.

I've been in my fair share of trouble before, even on CS. I learned from it. If you don't want to play by the rules, then you really shouldn't be there.

[Greenday]

Tbh, I'm still scarred from the time Ree gave me a warning...years ago. I have nightmares about it...

I had no idea you were banned on CS. I rarely post on there these days. I don't work in anything with regular customers and I'm not allowed to go into detail about what I do so there's really no reason for me posting as much there anymore. But yea, if you were banned on CS, I'm pretty sure there was a reason behind it. CS and Fratching are the best moderated forums I've ever been on. They are extremely fair and are quick to respond to issues. I've been nothing but impressed by the mods.

[the_std]

It is hard to take anything seriously when you broke the rules badly enough to get yourself banned, especially if you were on moderated status before it happened. That's disrespectful to Raps and all the mods, whom the great majority of the posters here and on CS have nothing but respect and admiration for. I am really not sure how you expected anyone to care about the consequences of your obviously wrong actions.

[Rageaholic]

Actually, I noticed you were banned before you posted about it. I saw the thread you linked to and noticed that your name was crossed out above your posts in that thread.

[Hobbs]

7) I just had two Sightings and an SC and can't post about them.

[Plaidman]

Sure you can... thats what things I hate is for. I hate customers that do this. Or I hate when people see this.

Then we can debate why you were wrong on it. It will be awesome.

[Boozy]

Tbh, I'm still scarred from the time Ree gave me a warning...years ago. I have nightmares about it...

LOL

You poor thing.

I know Ree pretty well, and she doesn't hold grudges. I can guarantee you that she's forgotten all about it, so you should too. :)

Speaking in vague generalities now: Fratching and CS.com are the two most heavily moderated forums I've ever been on. It's no coincidence that they are the only two forums to which I've ever become a long-term member. I think that message boards have the potential to become on-line communities, but only if there's strong and attentive moderation. Otherwise we end up with in-fighting, cliques, snide remarks, and a whole whack of spam.

CS is one of those places that requires keeping everyone on topic, all the time. In order to provide a safe place to vent, the emphasis needs to be about what we all have in common (sucky customers). There are people of all ages, races, shapes, sizes, and religious persuasions on CS. When we allow controversial topics or other divisive content, one can easily forget that we're "all in this together". We need to focus on our similarities and not our differences.

That's why we have the strict rules that we do. And that's why sometimes people get banned. A banned member is not necessarily a bad person (although we have had those). Sometimes people cannot resist sharing their opinions on controversial topics. Sometimes they can't resist giving unsolicited advice, or telling someone they're wrong about something. Sometimes they're just really really bad at wording their responses in order not to offend.

We all know people like this. We're all friends with people like this. We like them. But they wouldn't be a good fit for CS.com. And that's all it comes down to.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I've been told off by several mods; I'm still horribly scarred for life. O.o

I came on CS.com straight from Metal Sludge, so I obviously was not used to being on a heavily moderated forum at all at first. Hopefully now, touch wood, I'm a bit better at knowing what to say and what not to say.

[Ree]

I really hope people are joking about being horribly scarred by my moderating.

Trust me...I'm actually a nice person and not really a hardass at all.

Some of the CS people have met me, and they can vouch for me. ;)

[Lace Neil Singer]

Lulz. XD You were always really nice to me and explained things to me well, and I know that if I ever have any problems I can PM you. *hugs* So I know you're a nice person, Ree.

[powerboy]

I don't know Ree, you are scary ;). I will never forget about the time, I got yelled at by you, lol

[HYHYBT]

I really hope people are joking about being horribly scarred by my moderating.

Trust me...I'm actually a nice person and not really a hardass at all.

Some of the CS people have met me, and they can vouch for me. ;)Exactly the sort of person from whom a rebuke is most memorable.

[Ree]

I will never forget about the time, I got yelled at by you, lolOh...I don't think I actually yelled at you.
After all, there wasn't an all caps message from me, was there? ;) :p

Boozy explained perfectly the reason we keep such tight reins on things.
I think it's effective.

We have a great membership, and more people joining all the time.
I think one of the reasons is because we do keep things on an even course.

Some may not agree with the way it's done, but I think many people would be very surprised at the number of reported posts we get in any given day with members pointing out things to the mods. The majority of the membership understands the way things are meant to be on the sites, and go the extra step to help keep things going smoothly.

[Fryk]

So, Ree, you're saying it's not true that you bathe in the blood of innocent little kittens to maintain your youth and vitality? Cause that's what I heard...

[Ree]

Oh no...that part's true.

I'm just really nice when I do it. :p

[Nyoibo]

I really hope people are joking about being horribly scarred by my moderating.

Trust me...I'm actually a nice person and not really a hardass at all.

Some of the CS people have met me, and they can vouch for me. ;)

Well if you're that evil, would they say anything else? :p

[Greenday]

To be honest, I don't even remember what I did other than offending someone. It's a distant memory that I hadn't even thought of until this thread came up.

[Hobbs]

Threadjack started riiiiight....

Tbh, I'm still scarred from the time Ree gave me a warning...years ago. I have nightmares about it...

I had no idea you were banned on CS. I rarely post on there these days. I don't work in anything with regular customers and I'm not allowed to go into detail about what I do so there's really no reason for me posting as much there anymore. But yea, if you were banned on CS, I'm pretty sure there was a reason behind it. CS and Fratching are the best moderated forums I've ever been on. They are extremely fair and are quick to respond to issues. I've been nothing but impressed by the mods.

here.

It took 'til the second(third?) page to do so. I'm impressed.

[the_std]

That's not thread drift. That's still talking about mods and you getting banned from CS. Which, hm, I'm pretty sure is in the title of the thread.

[Hobbs]

That's not thread drift. That's still talking about mods and you getting banned from CS. Which, hm, I'm pretty sure is in the title of the thread.
No, it began the discussion on Ree being evil/whatnot...which is not the title of this thread, hmmm?

PS: what's with the "hmm" statement here? Is it some Fratching-thing I don't get?

Addendum: The title is "Why I hate being banned..." which is not about mods at all, unless through various tangents.

[the_std]

Fine, I'll quote to you what you quoted to the rest of us...


I had no idea you were banned on CS. I rarely post on there these days. I don't work in anything with regular customers and I'm not allowed to go into detail about what I do so there's really no reason for me posting as much there anymore. But yea, if you were banned on CS, I'm pretty sure there was a reason behind it. CS and Fratching are the best moderated forums I've ever been on. They are extremely fair and are quick to respond to issues. I've been nothing but impressed by the mods.

Gee. That seems to be about the mods, about your banning, and about the title of the thread. So what was that you were saying?

[Hobbs]

Fine, I'll quote to you what you quoted to the rest of us...



Gee. That seems to be about the mods, about your banning, and about the title of the thread. So what was that you were saying?
That's...not me...

[the_std]

Sigh. Really? Do I have to do this?

You quoted Greenday in a post talking about how the thread was drifting, and yet your quote had the majority of it talking about the exact topic of your thread title. That is what I'm talking about.

[Hobbs]

Well excuse me for being lazy and not editing the quote. Geez.

[the_std]

This is a debate forum. If you're not willing to be picked apart for your mistakes, trivial or not, then don't post here or be more careful about what you say. Mistakes in your posts make your argument weak and easier picked-apart, which will be done, because this is, again, a debate forum. That is your fault, not mine.

[Plaidman]

Well dude, it just... bad timing. You posted it a few days after you got banned, you make mention of it in your topic. People defended mods, most noticablly Ree because we all love her, and the other mods to death. They work damn hard, and don't get a quarter of the thanks they deserve for their hardwork. So yeah, people are going to tell you that you obviouslly did wrong, and whatever it was you got banned for was desrving, as no mod would go power mad and just ban just because.

[Hobbs]

Am I on eight?

8) The Mods don't talk to me often anymore.

[Rapscallion]

Am I on eight?

8) The Mods don't talk to me often anymore.

In what way?

Have we ignored any of your PMs? If not, what conversation do you think you deserve above and beyond that enjoyed by others?

Do we ignore you in threads? Please point to such instances.

Raspcallion

[Hobbs]

Hmm, methinks ye not get the joke.

[Rapscallion]

Er, no. I didn't see any joke there.

Rapscallion

[Hobbs]

...le sigh...

9) I'm a lot less funny here.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Hmmmm, Oh! I just got it! :D

That's decently funny...

Tip: How much did the talk with mods just before being banned?

amirite?

[Hobbs]

YAY! You getta cookie :D

Second tip: Self-deprecating humor

[Plaidman]

I don't get it ether... Is it the fact the eight makes it look like a smile?

[crazylegs]

...le sigh...

9) I'm a lot less funny here.

It's a debate forum, not a jokes list.

[Ree]

Threadjack started riiiiight....

Tbh, I'm still scarred from the time Ree gave me a warning...years ago. I have nightmares about it...

here.

It took 'til the second(third?) page to do so. I'm impressed.I was sick of talking abut you.
I felt it was time to talk about me. :D

Also, you seem to be all hot and bothered about a misdirected quote.
It was pretty obvious to me what std was saying.

std said, "I will quote to you what you quoted to the rest of us."

std was showing you what you quoted as being the starting point of threadjacking, and explaining that in their opinion, what Greenday posted was still relevant to the discussion.
S/he did not say that you had posted that particular message. S/he was saying that you QUOTED that particular message.

The only possible "mistake" was that std didn't edit to attribute the quote within a quote to Greenday, so it confused you, I guess.

Bolding is mine:Fine, I'll quote to you what you quoted to the rest of us...


I had no idea you were banned on CS. I rarely post on there these days. I don't work in anything with regular customers and I'm not allowed to go into detail about what I do so there's really no reason for me posting as much there anymore. But yea, if you were banned on CS, I'm pretty sure there was a reason behind it. CS and Fratching are the best moderated forums I've ever been on. They are extremely fair and are quick to respond to issues. I've been nothing but impressed by the mods.

Gee. That seems to be about the mods, about your banning, and about the title of the thread. So what was that you were saying?

Obviously you were annoyed that the thread became about discussing me and my moderating, and the fact that I am not a vindictive bitch as you seem to feel I had some axe to grind with you.

To be honest, I don't even think about you outside of the forum.

I can assure you I don't have some deep seated hatred for you.

You did some things at CS that went against the rules and guidelines, and I sent you a message about it.

Does that mean I stayed up at nights thinking of ways to bring you down?
No.

In fact, I think you are just one of those people who seems to invite trouble on forums and sites that rely heavily on rules.

Maybe because you have to follow the rules so closely in the military, you feel that in your recreational time, you can do what you want. I don't know.

I do know that I think I see a pattern.

Your post from the "YouTube" thread (http://www.fratching.com/showthread.php?p=51428#post51428).
yea, i have one more chance before I'm suspended.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I admin on a forum, and while some times it can be rewarding, other times it can be a thankless task, like banging your head against a brick wall. I certainly do not revel in banning or punishing people, so I doubt that any of the forum staff at CS.com do, either. The following however do their best to drive me up the wall:

* Noobs. No, not new people; that's NEWbs. I mean people who refuse to read the rules; who, when said rules are pointed out at them act like they don't apply; who refuse to listen to either gentle rebukes or tellings off; who will eventually end up on a temp ban and afterwards, either leave or return and act all martyred like.

* Trolls. No matter how many times I tell forum users "Do not feed the troll!", there are still forum users who feel they have to reply to trolling rather than report it. This just creates a ton of work for the forum staff, and that's even before I and the super mod can get on with dealing with the troll.

* Obscenity and inappropriate posting. The first is self explanatory. No-one wants to look at pictures of goatse or disgusting sexual practices on forums. The second is posting that is inappropriate for the forum audience. On the forum I admin, there are teenagers posting, some as young as thirteen, so obviously what's inappropriate there might be appropriate here.

Those are pretty much the only things that people can get banned for; excluding advertising and spambots, of course. Neither I or the super mod go around rubbing our hands together, chuckling evilly and randomly banning people just cuz we feel like doing so. And I doubt that the forum staff here ban people at the drop of a hat, either. I would think it was a last resort, only brought out when nothing else works. Seriously, I have talked to a person, warned them, infracted them and tried everything I could think of before a temp ban was put in place. I know that the forum staff, both here and on CS.com, do their utmost best in ensuring the rules are kept without being dictatorial. ^^

[Hobbs]

Ree, I'd be suspended b/c my amv's use songs. It's kind of a common thing among ppl who make amv's. I think that's why the hey-day of amv's is over too. It has nothing to do with any type of trouble between me and any members.

And I had mentioned thread-jacking in my OP, so I felt it was ok to find where it went off-topic. I already said I should have edited it to only include the comment of being afraid of you after your rebuke. Again, sorry I was lazy and didn't edit the quote.

[Ree]

And I had mentioned thread-jacking in my OP, so I felt it was ok to find where it went off-topic. If you expected and had no problem with threadjacking, then I really don't understand why it became such an issue that you felt it needed to be pointed out when it occurred.
I already said I should have edited it to only include the comment of being afraid of you after your rebuke. Again, sorry I was lazy and didn't edit the quote.The issue I was addressing was not a poorly edited quote.
You were getting bent out of shape over the fact that it looked like std was saying those were your words when they weren't.
I was merely pointing out that you had obviously missed the part where it was clearly stated that std was quoting what you quoted. You brought it to the attention of the mods that you felt you were being quoted incorrectly, since those were not your words, so I was merely trying to clear up the obvious misunderstanding and confusion.
It's irrelevant to my point that you are saying the part std chose to highlight was not the part you were referring to when you mentioned threadjacking.

[Hobbs]

If you expected and had no problem with threadjacking, then I really don't understand why it became such an issue that you felt it needed to be pointed out when it occurred.

I did so because I wanted to.

[Ree]

I did so because I wanted to.Fair enough. It's your thread. You can take it wherever you want...within reason. :p ;)

Just seems odd to me that it came across as if you resented the threadjacking even though you seem to have expected it.

[Hobbs]

No, I just wanted to point it out. It was getting way too serious for my liking. Too bad no one bet on me about it. That'd been interesting.

[Ree]

I don't know...most threads seem to end up hijacked at some point around here.

It would have been a fool's bet. :D

[Hobbs]

What's that phrase/saying about "Better to be a fool..."?

[Ree]

Oh...so now you're calling me a fool?

"Better to be called a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
"Better a witty fool than a foolish wit."

Is that what you meant?

Nice personal attack there.

:D:D
Just messing with you.
So how does it feel? :p

[Hobbs]

Oh, my bad. I meant that towards me. I was calling myself a fool.

Being misinterpreted is what happens a lot to me, so it feels the same. I think the second one is better suited to me.

[Plaidman]

You both fools man! I'm the King Fool! All Hail Emperor Plaidman!


Strange. I always liked Emperor over President. Why is that?

[Hobbs]

Emperor entails an authoritarian regime, personalist, with all executive power within the emperor. A president can be voted out.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Cuz secretly you yearn towards a monarchy? XD

A small bit of threadjacking isn't a problem as far as people are keeping generally on topic; what bugs me is when you can be having a serious discussion on a forum when someone butts in with an "I like string!" comment that has everyone going, "WTF?!" XD

[Plaidman]

Emperor entails an authoritarian regime, personalist, with all executive power within the emperor. A president can be voted out.


Hmm. Lifetime of having no say to instantly having final say? Ok. totally me?
Cuz secretly you yearn towards a monarchy?

I do like Kings and such. I am a fantasy lover... But even so, I still like Emperor over King. Or Tyrant. But that just cause Badrang was one of the first tyrants I read about in a fantasy setting.

[Fryk]

Who's the more foolish- the fool, or the fool who follows him?

And does anyone else find it funny that Hobbs threadjacked his own thread so he could talk about... threadjacking? :: )

[Hobbs]

Who's the more foolish- the fool, or the fool who follows him?

And does anyone else find it funny that Hobbs threadjacked his own thread so he could talk about... threadjacking? :: )
That, Alanis, is ironic.

[Ghel]

"Better to be called a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
Actually, the full quote is "Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln [emphasis mine]

I guess that makes me a fool, since I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut. :p

[Ree]

Yes...I did know the exact quote and the source.
Thanks, though.

I had decided to paraphrase just because I was really only posting to mess with Hobbs for the fun of it.

[BlaqueKatt]

I guess that makes me a fool, since I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut. :p


I'm a Harley-quinn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blaquekatt/1909506757/)(harlequin=female court jester)

[Nyoibo]

I'm a Harley-quinn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blaquekatt/1909506757/)(harlequin=female court jester)

I was thinking of another Harley Quinn, I have a bad mind.

[Plaidman]

I was thinking of another Harley Quinn, I have a bad mind.

It was the Harley Quinn I was thinking off.

Just ... wrong... gender...

So sad. I'm a huge Batman fan.

[Hobbs]

I hate not being able to post in Plaidman's thread on CS.

[Ree]

Yeah. That must suck, eh?

[Hobbs]

Yeah. That must suck, eh?
Would you mind sending my wishes, or would you rather add some lemon juice to that salt? :p

ps: re-reading the thread again...I still don't understand what happened.