Written up!

[DrFaroohk]

I got written up at work for having 5 unexcused absences. This means I did not have a doctor's note.

I feel like I should contest it. I have what I feel are legit reasons, and while I expect to not get anywhere, I feel like I should at least get something in writing and on the record to let them know "hey, this guy aint just gonna lay down and take it" and maybe they might even think "Wow, this is really well thought out - we at least know he's intelligent."

Most of the reasons are trivial, but my two main reasons are A) The policy states that after 4 missed days, I get a verbal warning, and I received none, so how was I to know that I was on the verge of a writeup? and B) One of the days was an unscheduled day that we weren't told about until less than a day before. That's bullshit. We have to be allotted time to reschedule our lives. It'd be different if it was one of those jobs where I get paid to be available that day regardless of if I work, but it's not. So fuck them.

I also want to point out that two of the days I missed were because I was literally so sore I was making myself sick. Back, joints, muscles, etc....and that if I had come to work, I'd have injured myself even more, and they have to ask themselves which they'd rather deal with - them being short 1 out of 120 people one day, or dealing with one hell of a worker's compensation claim.

I realize it's quite a trivial thing - it's a writeup. For being sick. Not a big deal. But it's the principle of the matter. First of all, I might miss another day soon, and the next step is like a 3 day suspension. I'd rather at least try to get my absentee record lowered. I also feel like there's just a little bit of "fuckery" going on with it, and I think that allowing this to go unchallenged just invites more and more fuckery.

[Fryk]

I don't think it's a trivial thing. Contest that bitch, Doc! With an explanation, they might be able to overlook it, or something.

[powerboy]

DR, contest it. I had that shit happen to me. Until I went to the higher ups with the proper papers. It is not right.

[crashhelmet]

Be careful in how you contest it. Come off as sounding pretentious or arrogant and you could end up out of a job. Don't make yourself sound like you're making excuses either. Employers typically don't want to hear them. Apologize, say you'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again. Bring up the fact that you're supposed to get a verbal, but once again don't sound like an ass doing it.

Employers wants someone that they can rely on to be there when they're supposed to be and doing what they're supposed to be doing without stirring up added stress or drama within the workforce. If they feel that you can't meet those requirements, they'll find someone that can.

CH

[DrFaroohk]

Therein lies the problem. I have extremely low "charisma". Like by DnD standards it'd rate about a 4. And when I say something, most people tend to hear it and then think "Ok, how can I twist this so its the most offensive thing I've ever heard?" I get dirty looks for saying good morning to people. Literally. I'm not making that up or exaggerating.

[Plaidman]

Most write up have a comment area where people can post their comments. I know I did when I had a doctors note from a sick day, that I called in on. I still got written up, but it was thrown away when the manager admited that yes, I did call in sick. He just got mad because he had to work it.

In anycase, is it that hard to get a doctors note? You wrote you know the policy that states after 4 days you get a verbal, and you had admit to missing 5 days. You really belive that just because you got no verbal warning, you deserve clemency? You know the rules. You know you can get sick. There are days with me too, that a single misstep makes me cry in pain. I still go to school. Even with excused absences, I do too many, I get tossed out.

Point is, you read the rules. You know the policy. Your just trying to rules lawyer out of it by that whole "They didn't give me a warning so it doesn't count!". Well, this is real life. Life where work doesn't care if you get sick. They want doctors note. So you, be an adult, and get one. I belive you when you say your sick, but do you have any idea how many people just say their sick, and spend the day surfing? Just a reason to be safe, get. notes.

And write in the commentary.

[DrFaroohk]

There was no commentary part on the writeup, unfortunately. I wish there was.

As far as doctors notes go - I think it's ridiculous to go the doctor just for a note. I know there's nothing the doc could have done to make me feel better, sometimes you just gotta let a sickness run its course. I'm not going to pay out $100+ on top of the hours I already missed just for a stupid note.

And my point of the lack of verbal warning is that after day 4 was missed and I received no warning, this lead me to believe that my absences were in fact excused. Letting me think I was ok and then springing a writeup on me is shit.

[Plaidman]

And my point of the lack of verbal warning is that after day 4 was missed and I received no warning, this lead me to believe that my absences were in fact excused. Letting me think I was ok and then springing a writeup on me is shit.

Thats what human resources are for. You talk to them. Find out. Never have assumptions in life, because you get screwed over.

[DrFaroohk]

Aye, and the one thing no one has a right to do is screw me over. I don't care that it's not in the constitution or written on some legal document - screwing people over is just plain wrong.

[Plaidman]

They didn't screw you over. They followed the policy that is written. Just because you thought you were exempt, because you didn't bother to even talk or ask, and just assumed you were safe and decided to take another day off and then got written up? No. You only screwed yourself over on that one bud. If you had a sick day, you should have talked to human resources. Ask. Hey? Was that an excused? Ad hoc to every one of them.

They followed their policy. You didn't even try to protect yourself, except now crying like a little bitch because life is harsh man.

You even told us now, you think your going to be sick again. Well, time to protect your ass to not get suspended. Talk to your doctor. Yeah, I know, you would rather ride your sickness through and not pay millions of dollars for a note. But would you rather pay that doctor visit fee, and miss one day, instead of being force to lose 36 hours of pay?

[DrFaroohk]

I beg to differ here. The rules are in place for a reason, and they have just as much obligation to abide by them as I do. They fucked up. I don't need to be constantly protecting myself. I have the right to not be fucked with. That's exactly what happens when the rules are bent to be the most convenient for those in power. End of story.

[Hobbs]

I still don't see how they messed up. You're the one who missed work. Were you NC/NS for these, or did you at least call-in and say you were sick? Even at my work the policy was that it needed a note; so if I couldn't be hassled with getting a note, I either came in and sucked it up, or I bit the bullet.

[Plaidman]

Let me get this straight.

Your policy, which you have read is you can have a X amount of days of unexcused absents.

You didnt make any excused absents. Nor did you even try to find out if they were. You just assumed they were without even checking.


Now your being written up because of your unexcused absents.

Thus your being fucked with by those with power?

..How...? How is that even freaking feasible?

[DrFaroohk]

Your policy, which you have read is you can have a X amount of days of unexcused absents.



Aye. We're allowed 3 with no repercussions. The 4th one comes with a verbal warning.


You didnt make any excused absents. Nor did you even try to find out if they were. You just assumed they were without even checking.

You're right, I didn't. It's not my job to go asking every 5 minutes what my status is. It is their job to do their job, which as stated by the company policy, is to inform me of my 4th absence by giving me a verbal warning. It's right there in the rules. Why don't they have to follow them?

Now your being written up because of your unexcused absents.

Thus your being fucked with by those with power?

..How...? How is that even freaking feasible?

Because I'm not the one who violated company policy. They did. The ones in power are the ones who are saying "Rules are rules, policy is policy and must be followed without question!"

And you're right, I do try to be a 'rules lawyer'. Which is perfectly acceptable. I believe that with a few exceptions, rules and policies must be a two-way street. They have these policies in place for a reason, and in being familiar with the rules and trying to follow them I also have the right to use them to my advantage, and if they're only willing to honor the rules and policies one-way, which is what's most convenient and easy for them, they are fucking me over. And it just invites more fucking later. That's just how it is.

Is that so terribly complicated? Is it so terribly wrong? Don't we all do things like this every day? We settle matters all the time by arguing these fine little points of law, but when the people who make the rules refuse to follow their own, there is something seriously wrong.

[DrFaroohk]

And besides, we're only focusing on one argument here. Let's just pretend you're 100% right and that they have no obligation to follow their own rules. Fair enough.

There's still many other reasons why I didn't deserve this writeup, like the last minute unscheduled work day. That day should be erased from my record because it is their fuckup. Regardless of if it was the boss's fault we didn't find out in time, it's definitely not MY fault and I shouldn't be punished for it.

Then there's the fact that there's a bigass sign on the front door that says if you're sick, stay the fuck home, because if the health inspector discovered people coughing and hacking all over the fish, or people with stomach problems spreading their nasty diarhea germs all over the fish, that plant would be shut down. So if they told me to not come to work, how can they punish me for it? I wonder how they'd like it if a certain disgruntled employee with a bullshit writeup decided to give the health inspector a little phone call?

[Plaidman]

Your going to call health inspector because they wrote you up for being an unexcused absence? Wow. Remind me never to serve you soda with fizz. You might think I spat in it or something.

Look, it's a responsible person's job to know what their job status is. I'm saying you need to call every five minutes, but if you want to protect yourself, then you need to know what your status is at work. Never assume anything.

Go ahead and argue about that lack of verbal detail, and the lack of notice for the job change.

I'm sure you won't have to worry about doing 12 hour shifts for much longer, it be cut down to eight.

Then maybe even less.

[protege]

Getting into this a bit late...I thought I should mention this. I've posted about Kelly before, about how she was taking every Monday or Friday off for various "illnesses." For those who don't know, she was calling in on Friday and/or Monday mornings because her children were "sick," or various things "broke" in her apartment. Never failed at least twice a month, she'd do that.

The final straw snapped, when she started calling in about 3 hours after the "illness," forcing the rest of us to do her work. Not that she did much to begin with...but it was still annoying having that crap dumped on us. Anyway, after one too many 3-hour "no calls," my boss had enough. He simply told her to knock it off, or she'd be looking for another job. Even though she was hourly and didn't get *any* sick time, he was tired of it. It wasn't fair to the rest of us.

I mean, taking a sick day once and awhile is fine. Deciding you want a 3-day weekend every other week...is not.

[DrFaroohk]

I understand about taking sick days to get 3 day weekends - I've been stuck in more double or even triple shifts than I care to remember.

My sick days have been genuine - I know I'm supposed to get a doc note, but I can't afford it until my health insurance kicks in and I already know I'm sick, I don't need a doctor to tell me that, because I know my own body. I know when I've got a fever without a thermometer to tell me. I know when I'm not going to be able to complete a full day because my back or hands can't take the extra stress.

And I realize that management has to take steps when they don't have the proper documentation - I get that. But they didn't take all the steps. Why do they get to skip steps?

All I'm really disputing in my letter to them is going to be 1 - 2 days tops. I'm willing to accept that 3 of my absences were unexcused, and to me that's quite perfectly clear, and to them it will be perfectly clear as well after they read my letter.

So if they continue with my writeup even after it has been made perfectly clear to them, then my honest to god belief here is that they are screwing with me. Most likely their mindset is gonna be "Well, this guy is right, but if we agree with him it'll make us look bad, so let's procede."

I don't know if that's exactly what they're thinking or not. Maybe they'll just think "This guy thinks he's pretty smart, lets keep the writeup just to teach him a lesson. Bring him down a few notches."

Whatever the case may be...you just don't fuck with DrFaroohk. If every last detail of the writeup were legit, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If they'd followed all the proper steps, if they'd been doing their job, I'd have signed the writeup and never thought twice about it. But that's not what happened. They fucked up and they fucked with me, and I'm hoping they have the sense to fix it before it gets worse.

[Plaidman]

HOW did they fuck with you? Other then not give you a verbal warning?

[Fryk]

If it's in their policy that they HAVE TO (and make sure it really is "have to") give you a verbal warning first, and they didn't, then that's all the fucking with you I need to hear about you. Take that to HR, and there's a chance they'll strike the written from your record. BUT--- take extra care from here on out, because that will be the only "rules lawyering" card you'll get to play there, guaranteed.

[Nyoibo]

So when was it that we no longer have to take personal responsibility for our actins or to keep track of them?

Because I've got to catch up on placing the blame on someone else for my own actions.

[Plaidman]

If it's in their policy that they HAVE TO (and make sure it really is "have to") give you a verbal warning first, and they didn't, then that's all the fucking with you I need to hear about you. Take that to HR, and there's a chance they'll strike the written from your record. BUT--- take extra care from here on out, because that will be the only "rules lawyering" card you'll get to play there, guaranteed.



Indeed. If policy states that they may get a verbral warning, then that's pretty much it. Or if the handbook later states that by reading this you will accept that any of it can be changed at anytime without notice, or some may be excempt from certain things. I know that our handbook throw in stupid wording all over the place ><.

[Hobbs]

I understand about taking sick days to get 3 day weekends - I've been stuck in more double or even triple shifts than I care to remember.

My sick days have been genuine - I know I'm supposed to get a doc note, but I can't afford it until my health insurance kicks in and I already know I'm sick, I don't need a doctor to tell me that, because I know my own body. I know when I've got a fever without a thermometer to tell me. I know when I'm not going to be able to complete a full day because my back or hands can't take the extra stress.

And I realize that management has to take steps when they don't have the proper documentation - I get that. But they didn't take all the steps. Why do they get to skip steps?

All I'm really disputing in my letter to them is going to be 1 - 2 days tops. I'm willing to accept that 3 of my absences were unexcused, and to me that's quite perfectly clear, and to them it will be perfectly clear as well after they read my letter.

So if they continue with my writeup even after it has been made perfectly clear to them, then my honest to god belief here is that they are screwing with me. Most likely their mindset is gonna be "Well, this guy is right, but if we agree with him it'll make us look bad, so let's procede."

I don't know if that's exactly what they're thinking or not. Maybe they'll just think "This guy thinks he's pretty smart, lets keep the writeup just to teach him a lesson. Bring him down a few notches."

Whatever the case may be...you just don't fuck with DrFaroohk. If every last detail of the writeup were legit, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If they'd followed all the proper steps, if they'd been doing their job, I'd have signed the writeup and never thought twice about it. But that's not what happened. They fucked up and they fucked with me, and I'm hoping they have the sense to fix it before it gets worse.
Why are you disputing days? Didn't you just own up to being absent all those days and not getting an excuse? It's pretty much concrete evidence if you were excused or not, so how can you dispute it?

My mindset, as management, would be more along the lines, "This guy's quibbling about this? Seriously?" <Checks notes> "He's been absent X days; that's a write-up...gonna make a note in his file. IF he quibbles about this, imagine something more serious than unexcused no-shows."

Rules and policies are not a two-way street. That'd be like me saying to my CO, "Yeah, cheating isn't allowed, but at the time I didn't think it was relevant to me..." Think I'll get cut slack?

[DrFaroohk]

By cheating I assume you mean on your spouse, so how about this one:

You get caught with another woman, which isn't allowed, because your still married right? But you got divorced! Only problem is the court fucked up and didn't process the paperwork right so technically you're still married, but no one - not the court, the judge, your lawyer, no one, ever told you about someone else's fuck up.

What I mean by "two way street" is this: If you make a rule, you must abide by it as well. Even though it's your rule and your property and your business. Don't want to abide by it? Don't make the fucking rule. Also, if a rule is in place, the opposite must also apply. If the rule is that no one in a red shirt is allowed in your house, then the rule must ALSO be that anyone NOT wearing a red shirt must be allowed in.

Of course, no one can force you to behave this way because we live in a free country. But failing to follow the two way street rule makes you into an asshole. And assholes are fair game as far as I'm concerned. So yeah, I have no qualms about screwing someone who's screwing me. Gonna screw me over on some missed days? I'll screw you over with the health inspector or the department of labor. What's the old saying? Turnabout is fair play or something like that? I'm just doing my job after all! It's my duty to report these things!

Or we can just pretend the writeup never happened, and I'm broken in to the job a little more now and I doubt I'll be sick any time soon, and you get to keep your fucking factory open.

That's about it.

[Hobbs]

I wasn't talking about carnal knowledge, but rather, cheating in an academic sense. In either case, I would still be held accountable and punished as per the UCMJ.

The health inspector is nothing but petty vindictiveness. It'd be like me doing a DoS attack on CS. (for the record, I'd never do that. this is just an example).

So you're saying that, at no time, did someone, even in passing, say something along the lines of, "You need an excuse absence/doctor's note next time/don't be absent again."?

[DrFaroohk]

I wasn't talking about carnal knowledge, but rather, cheating in an academic sense. In either case, I would still be held accountable and punished as per the UCMJ.

The health inspector is nothing but petty vindictiveness. It'd be like me doing a DoS attack on CS. (for the record, I'd never do that. this is just an example).

So you're saying that, at no time, did someone, even in passing, say something along the lines of, "You need an excuse absence/doctor's note next time/don't be absent again."?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Not even in a group setting i.e. "Hey, a lot of people here have missed several days, so watch yourselves you're getting close to a writeup."

As for the health inspector - I don't believe there's anything wrong with making legit reports. I could report the bugs I see crawling around, or the oversaturation of chlorine in the ice, or the fact that people are constantly dropping things on the floor and then just picking them back up like nothing happened (MAJOR NO NO). Petty vindictiveness would be making shit up, or sabotaging it myself.

Of course, the PROPER way to handle such issues would be to first bring them to the attention of my superiors..."Hey, we got bugs in the fish." Would be nice if there world worked that way, wouldn't it? But apparently it doesn't, and I'm under no obligation to give anyone any type of warning.

[the_std]

Of course, the PROPER way to handle such issues would be to first bring them to the attention of my superiors..."Hey, we got bugs in the fish." Would be nice if there world worked that way, wouldn't it? But apparently it doesn't, and I'm under no obligation to give anyone any type of warning.

The mentality that you're under no obligation to give your higher-ups any type of warning is childish. Why not let them know so they can fix the problem before you sic the health department on them? Do you have any reason besides revenge? If you let them know, they might be able to fix it quietly and cheaply. If the health department comes down, that means major fines, an interruption in your work flow, the possible loss of jobs or hours. That makes life suck for everyone. Yes, if you tell them and they refuse to do anything about it, that's when the health department should step in. But going through the proper channels first has the potential to keep everything from blowing up.

It's interesting that you're saying that your bosses need to tell you that so many unexcused absences are a bad thing. You've been at this job a couple of months and already have that many stacked up? That makes it seem like you don't care about this job and have no consideration for your bosses. Yep, it sucks that they skipped a step, but that doesn't negate the fact that they're within their right to punish you. Your train of thought sounds like a teenager's. "I can't believe you stole dad's beer! That's wrong!" "Well, you never told me not to, so I thought it was okay!" You definitely know better but you're trying to get out of a problem you caused.

[DrFaroohk]

You've got my train of thought all wrong.

Apparently everyone does. I've written this out a few times but no one gets it.

So lets do it again, because I love to repeat myself.

My main argument is that two of the days are ambiguous. The first day - I was not given proper notice. I explained this to them. I need time to prepare, to adjust my schedule and find fucking babysitters. When I don't get off work until 9p.m., and I have to have someone here at my house with the kids by 6 at the latest, that's a fucking problem. And it's their problem, because they fucked up. How can I be expected to be responsible for their inability to properly schedule days? And how can one honestly count that as an "unexcused absence"? It was an unscheduled work day brought to my attention at the last minute.

The second day was one where I was NOT absent, I actually came to work and was sent home for being sick and my bosses told me this was fine.

Which brings us to the lack of warning - this led me to believe that those days were in fact not counted against me.

Yeah, I could have checked. Or they could have given me the fucking warning that is clearly stated in company policy. Why have rules if you're not going to follow them?

For your analogy, which is bullshit by the way, how about a better one:

Dad says if you take a beer three times he'll ground you. Then he grounds you after you take 2 beers, because yesterday he asked you to get him a beer so you got him one, and he counted that as taking one.

[Hobbs]

You were absent, and didn't have an excuse...that's the criterion for an unexcused absense.

They're not your parents. You think somethings wrong, you go act like a big boy and do some legwork, figure it out.

[Plaidman]

Speaking of being like a teenager. You know something's wrong. You feel you have no obligation to tell higher ups about it.

Well, the book has the rules. You have read book. They're under no obligation ether to warn you about your missed days. They're under no obligation to find babysitters. They say when you have to work, and you go. Your homelife is not their concern at all. Something that book likely states too that you may be called in at short notice. Something you agreed to do when you first signed up under all those forms likely.

Is it fair? Nope. Does it suck? Yep. Is it like real world? Yep. Welcome to being an adult.

[DrFaroohk]

This is where I get confused. How is it that they have no obligation to do what is clearly written in the rules, yet I do?

[Plaidman]

Well, as you have put it many times, your smart. You were smart enough to read the book which likely a good enough chunk of people there never have. Maybe they belive your smart enough to understand the rules. You still had unexcuse absences. Doesn't matter if it was short notice on the work day one, which yes, was greatly unfair to you and your family. But its not their job to care for that. Their job, is to get fish gutted/shipped etc etc. Which means calling in the drones. (IE you, not really a drone but you get my drift?).

Is it unfair that your being written up? Yeah. But that's unfortunally what you get when you don't check into things. It takes all of five minutes to talk "Hey, that day you sent me home because I was sick, that was an exucse absence right?"

If they stated yes, you could ask for proof. Then bring it up in this case.

You can't get a baby sitter on time? Did you at least call before stating "Hey, I will be late. I can't get a babysitter"

Or did you shrug and go oh well, and went back to playing video games.

[DrFaroohk]

I still just honestly don't see it that way. I wish I did because my life would probably be a lot easier. I still see it that they fucked up. For the short notice day, for example, it's their job to run an organized business where this sort of thing doesn't happen. I know this because I've been in management and that's always how it was with me. So what if I didn't know that Sherry was shooting up at work? It's my JOB to know that. So what if they didn't know we're getting an extra truck on Friday - it's their job to know. And to schedule a proper work week. They get to make all the excuses - too busy, too confusing, too hectic, we have so much to do! Well so do I.

And yeah, it's not fair. And as a life rule I refuse to accept shit like that. "Life isn't fair?" Bullshit. That's a bullshit, pathetic excuse for people who like to fuck you over. It's a reason to not ever have to take responsibility for your actions. It's funny that I never get to use that excuse. How about it's not fair that my kids have to grow up with a father who's not all that into them? Don't I get to say "Well life isn't fair derp derp derp!"

One more thing I gotta bring up: What's all this martyr business? Last time I checked, a martyr is someone who dies willingly for a cause, like Jesus or a suicide bomber. A martyr is not someone who bitches and complains a lot.

[Hobbs]

You're a bloody martyr (no pun intended) by all this "Woe is me! Look at them persecuting me, it's sooo unfair! Waaaa!" Do you complain this much at work? If so, maybe they're just using "official" reasons for reprimanding you cuz they wanna fire you.

[Plaidman]

And yeah, it's not fair. And as a life rule I refuse to accept shit like that. "Life isn't fair?" Bullshit. That's a bullshit, pathetic excuse for people who like to fuck you over. It's a reason to not ever have to take responsibility for your actions. It's funny that I never get to use that excuse. How about it's not fair that my kids have to grow up with a father who's not all that into them? Don't I get to say "Well life isn't fair derp derp derp!"

One more thing I gotta bring up: What's all this martyr business? Last time I checked, a martyr is someone who dies willingly for a cause, like Jesus or a suicide bomber. A martyr is not someone who bitches and complains a lot.

We all know what a martyr is. It being used in a sarcastic matter.

And you are using it as an excuse. The way you treat your kids. It isn't fair that your not into them. It's not fair the don't get to have the love they deserve. Your the one fucking them over on that. They unfortunally, don't get to decide who the main male model living in the same home as them.

Life isn't fair for all people period. There is no such thing as someone who takes it and says "Nope, I'm not doing that". Was it fair to the workload of people who had to work extra hard because you were gone? Hey, you couldn't get a babysitter.

Is it fair for people to not have just one wife, but a wife and exwife that has two kids that doesn't give two shits about them while others shruggle their whole lives to have a child, ether by natural or adoption cant? Nope.

You have it pretty fucking good compared to a shitload of people. If the worst in your life, is the fact your bitching over a write up at a job you hate, then wow. You are the greatest person in the world man.

[blas87]

I was on your side until you started the martyr routine and started playing rule police.

I am all for people standing up for their rights and shady companies and especially the higher ups of those companies sinking faster than the Titanic, but it's a whole other ballpark when someone doesn't CYA. CYA, by the way, is a nice little way to remember to COVER YOUR ASS.

It is imparative in life to cover your own ass. It may suck, but guess what? If you don't, who will? Exactly.

Life isn't fair is NOT an excuse for people to fuck others over or to not take responsibility. To some, sure it is. I have no doubt that a lot of people use it as a crutch to purposely be an ass or screw others over. But in general, life isn't fair because IT ISN'T.

[protege]

Life isn't fair for all people period. There is no such thing as someone who takes it and says "Nope, I'm not doing that". Was it fair to the workload of people who had to work extra hard because you were gone? Hey, you couldn't get a babysitter.

That's why Kelly got a stern "talking to" about all the days she was taking off. The rest of us simply got tired of having to cover for her all the time. Granted, the job she was doing was pretty minimal, but still. We have *enough* crap to do during the day, and didn't appreciate having to do not only our jobs, but her crap as well.

But, before she got her little talking to, I actually heard her on the phone ranting away about how "unfair" we were being, and "how the man was keeping her down." Um, are you fucking kidding me? We're "keeping you down" and being "unfair," because we're holding you to the provisions of the contract you signed when you were hired? Nobody forced her to take the job, but she did...and along with taking it, meant there are responsibilities. Such as, oh I don't know...coming in to work every day!

While we're at it, I'm sure everyone remembers Amy, and her DUI problem. For those who don't, she got busted about 1.5 years ago for her second DUI. Because it was her second, she lost her license for 2 years, got heavily fined (we're talking *thousands* of dollars here, folks :eek:), house arrest for a year, and spent a night in jail. First day back at work, she started whining about how "unfair" it was that she got caught.

Needless to say, the rest of us soon pounced on her. Unfair? You want to talk about unfair? Was it really fair that she chose to risk the lives of other motorists because she was driving drunk? Would it have been fair if she would have killed or seriously injured someone else? In fact, she got off lucky--in my borough, she would have spent a *few* days in jail, plus getting her name in the paper.

[Nyoibo]

I've worked in a similar setting, I worked in an abattoir for about a year, you're lucky they don't have the abattoirs rules where you work, if you call out sick you are no allowed to return to work until you get a Dr's cert saying you were not only sick that day, but are healthy to return to work on whichever date, same thing on a NCNS, you get told to go home and get a Dr's cert.

[DrFaroohk]

Interesting epilogue to this little thread: I went to speak to the HR lady at work today regarding the writeup, and before I even got started on it she was like "hello drfaroohk, I've been needing to talk to you. Turns out we made a mistake with your writeup, and in fact only 4 of those days were unexcused, so you were only supposed to get a verbal warning."

lol.....

[Hobbs]

Interesting epilogue to this little thread: I went to speak to the HR lady at work today regarding the writeup, and before I even got started on it she was like "hello drfaroohk, I've been needing to talk to you. Turns out we made a mistake with your writeup, and in fact only 4 of those days were unexcused, so you were only supposed to get a verbal warning."

lol.....
See? And how hard was it to talk to HR? No, you were already prepared to go to the health dept. and take people down with you, weren't you?

[DrFaroohk]

Oh heavens no, I wasn't just going to go ahead and screw them like that. Only if they failed to see reason.

[Fryk]

Glad it worked out for you, Doc. I was all set to write that they messed up anyway, seeing as you showed up and were sent home, but your HR beat me to it.

[Food Lady]

Yay on it working out; I was going to post that I knew you were right, Dr. F. Posting the schedule and then changing it is not allowed in many companies. If you didn't come in because you needed to follow the laws that prohibit leaving your children alone, you were in the right. And being sent home is not the same as not coming in. Those are not unexcused absences. I don't condone revenge, for the record, whether they did or did not fail to see reason. And, finally, posting in here is not necessarily whining.