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fireheart17
10-11-2010, 11:52 AM
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/coffee-too-hot-to-handle/story-e6frea83-1225936833587

THE coffee in Adelaide is hot - too hot. Not only are take-away coffee outlets across the city spoiling the brews - as tested temperatures soared to 77C - they are also serving up dangerous, scalding hot packages.

Seriously?! Seriously?!

I can just see this one becoming a whole new breeding ground for lawsuits....

I put this one here as I had a feeling that it would eventually lead to lawsuit enquiries and eventually go from there.

Oh and just a note, I have not seen a Caution: Coffee Is Hot sign on any of the coffees I grab at the uni.

Boozy
10-11-2010, 12:43 PM
I dont think it will lead to a lawsuit. Most people won't purposely give themselves 1st degree burns in order to pursue a long-shot lawsuit.

Besides, she has a point about serving temperatures from a flavour perspective. It's obviously difficult for someone in Adelaide to get a good cup of coffee since most restaurants appear to be scalding their pots.

Arcade Man D
10-11-2010, 01:37 PM
Actually, 77 degrees Celsius (107 degrees Farenheit) is enough to quickly cause 2nd degree burns if it soaks into fabric, and can cause 3rd degree.

protege
10-11-2010, 03:12 PM
*sees another McDonald's-style lawsuit on the horizon* :(

BlaqueKatt
10-11-2010, 11:28 PM
*sees another McDonald's-style lawsuit on the horizon* :(

you do realize that was not a "frivolous lawsuit (http://stellaawards.com/stella.html)" as the media portrayed it to be

Stella was burned badly (some sources say six percent of her skin was burned, other sources say 16 percent was) and needed two years of treatment and rehabilitation, including skin grafts. McDonald's refused an offer to settle with her for $20,000 in medical costs.

While Stella was awarded $200,000 in compensatory damages, this amount was reduced by 20 percent (to $160,000) because the jury found her 20 percent at fault. Where did the rest of the $2.9 million figure in? She was awarded $2.7 million in punitive damages -- but the judge later reduced that amount to $480,000, or three times the "actual" damages that were awarded.

But...
The resulting $640,000 isn't the end either. Liebeck and McDonald's entered into secret settlement negotiations rather than go to appeal. The amount of the settlement is not known -- it's secret!


know your facts.....

protege
10-12-2010, 12:55 AM
Um, I do know the facts of the case. I wasn't trying to say that it was frivolous. But, you just *know* that a similar case is going to happen "down under."

Stormraven
10-12-2010, 04:17 AM
Actually, 77 degrees Celsius (107 degrees Farenheit) is enough to quickly cause 2nd degree burns if it soaks into fabric, and can cause 3rd degree.

Did you intend to type 107, or 170 with a slip?

Arcade Man D
10-12-2010, 01:03 PM
Did you intend to type 107, or 170 with a slip?

Yes, I did mean 170.

telecom_goddess
10-12-2010, 06:52 PM
Well I am sad that they are making the coffee too hot because it does ruin the flavor. You want the water to be just under boiling temp to brew and then keeping it hot on a burner afterwards just burns the coffee and gives it a nasty taste.

As for lawsuits who knows.....people ought to know that coffee is hot after all....

BlaqueKatt
10-12-2010, 10:44 PM
You want the water to be just under boiling temp to brew

As for lawsuits who knows.....people ought to know that coffee is hot after all....

um those two statements kinda cancel each other out-just under boiling would not burn you-the 170 can cause third degree burns in 3-7 seconds-I would not be expecting that-who would exactly?

Boozy
10-12-2010, 10:50 PM
I would not expect to be burned by my cup of coffee. I have sloshed coffee over my hand many, many times due to walking too fast with a poorly secured lid. It feels briefly unpleasant, but my skin doesn't burn off.

If I were aware that my coffee was at a temperature of 170 degrees, I'd be damned sure to secure the lid and walk carefully. The problem is, no one expects their coffee to be 170 freakin' degrees. That's an absurd temperature for coffee.

telecom_goddess
10-13-2010, 03:41 PM
um those two statements kinda cancel each other out-just under boiling would not burn you-the 170 can cause third degree burns in 3-7 seconds-I would not be expecting that-who would exactly?

I'm just saying that whether it would burn skin off or not, hopefully not, that coffee at any rate tends to be hot and should be handled with care.