Child rapists no longer fear death.

[Plaidman]

So unless a child rapist murders the child, they no longer have to fear of getting the death sentence. I guess they can inflict /cruel and unusual/ punishment, but the constintution protects them from that.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape

[the_std]

Why should a child rapist who hasn't killed the child deserve the death penalty?

[protege]

Damn...another case where the rights of the offender are more important than the victims. Even though rape (of anyone, not just children) is not about sex, it's about control...I think we need to revisit the idea of snipping the offender's balls off. No anesthetic either--the child had to suffer, so why not? Use an ax, or the rustiest pair of scissors you can find. Sorry, but this just pisses me off.

[Plaidman]

Why should a child rapist who hasn't killed the child deserve the death penalty?

Though it may turn your stomach, do a google search. Alot of the times, its not a single rape of a child. Its rape after rape after rape after rape after rape over months, or even years. One of the more famous ones being the father who kept his daughter locked in the basment for decades, raping her and his/her children. Then there was that disney girl a few years ago, the videoes and photos of her repeated rape spread through the internet, her /adopted/ father downfall thankfully only taking a few years when he made a video at Disney Land. Those are two extreme cases that I've remember reading. Granted, hopefully it the extremes cases like this, but its usually not. Alot of times, this is the common ones that get caught.

Why do they deserve to die? Because they don't care. They like hurting, controling others, and usually don't get caught. When they do, its a slap on the hand with death threats, and a possible death sentence.

No longer. Now its a slap, death threats, and (Funny to me) repeated attempts on their lives by the parents of their victims.

[DesignFox]

Plaidman, you beat me to posting this story. This makes me sick to my stomach.

from the article I read, it stated that it didn't matter how many times the victim was raped, or how severe the torture/injuries, the asshole who did it can't be given the death penalty if the victim lives.

It just makes me sick......

Not that it matters, my pansy ass state got rid of the death penalty all together...but these are the sick mofos that deserve it.

If you have a rabid dog, you put it down. Why not do the same with rabid people?

[ebonyknight]

They get worse than death, in prison. Good enough for me. One thing another prisoner can't stand is a wife beater, animal mutilator and child molester. Those are slightly below prison guard and cop.

As long as they are the bottom of the wrung, in prison, you can forgo the death sentence for all I care. Sometimes there really are things worse than death and this is one of them.

[Zyanya]

So unless a child rapist murders the child, they no longer have to fear of getting the death sentence. I guess they can inflict /cruel and unusual/ punishment, but the constintution protects them from that.

I'm going to offer a different perspective that may explain why I do support this decision.


I don't want the child rapist to think he has to kill the child. By giving him an 'out' (if the child lives, he doesn't get the death penalty), it makes it more likely he will let the 'witness' live. Otherwise, he has nothing to lose by killing the child.

[Boozy]

Sometimes there really are things worse than death and this is one of them.

I fully agree with this. Child rape is every bit as heinous as murder, if not worse. Surviving tragedy is hard. That's why society thinks murder is the worst act there is; because it is those left alive who suffer the loss. Rape victims carry their pain for the rest of their lives.

But I don't support the death penalty in any case, no matter what. There have been a few threads already on the subject, and I've posted in those, so I won't state my case again here.

[Greenday]

I'm with DesignFox, NJ is a pansy state in that it got rid of the death penalty. Some crimes are just unforgivable and a lifetime in jail just doesn't cut it. These people don't feel remorse for what they've done. Sitting in jail for the rest of their lives won't make them feel bad. By all means, give them the death penalty.

[Amethyst Hunter]

If you have a rabid dog, you put it down. Why not do the same with rabid people?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[BlaqueKatt]

I'm going to offer a different perspective that may explain why I do support this decision.


I don't want the child rapist to think he has to kill the child. By giving him an 'out' (if the child lives, he doesn't get the death penalty), it makes it more likely he will let the 'witness' live. Otherwise, he has nothing to lose by killing the child.


And per the SCOTUS decision this is exactly why they did it-

[BlaqueKatt]

Sitting in jail for the rest of their lives won't make them feel bad. By all means, give them the death penalty.


all I will say to this is so you want their punishment to be over quickly?

Rather than spend the rest of their days in a 10 by 10 room-never again to be able to rent a movie, go to the beach, go to the mall, have an ice cream cone, drink a beer or lemonade-you know the little things that make life worth living?

Even if they don't value the life they took-life in prison takes away something of equal value-their freedom-and if their in their 20's-30's they've got 60-70 years to think about what they're missing.

[Greenday]

all I will say to this is so you want their punishment to be over quickly?

Rather than spend the rest of their days in a 10 by 10 room-never again to be able to rent a movie, go to the beach, go to the mall, have an ice cream cone, drink a beer or lemonade-you know the little things that make life worth living?

Even if they don't value the life they took-life in prison takes away something of equal value-their freedom-and if their in their 20's-30's they've got 60-70 years to think about what they're missing.

Nah. Still gives them a chance to get parole later on in life and let them continue what they were doing before they were in jail. Plus, why do they deserve to continue living a somewhat at least decent life? They have a roof over their head. They have food. They get free health care. They get free education. Etc. etc. Well, those things might not be the best, but still. They don't deserve it.

[AFPheonix]

Justice should never be about revenge, no matter how heinous we may find the crime. The SCOTUS made the right decision by holding up precedent and the Constitution.

[blas87]

As a person with a family member who is a convicted child rapist, I can only wish for him to be put to death.

He's been disowned by the family and he's trying to appeal for a new trial....again claiming his mental disability kept him from knowing right from wrong and that he was TRICKED into admitting what he'd done.

I hope he rots in hell or someone gives him the Jeffry Dahmer treatment, but knowing how "pro criminal rights" things are these days, he'll be back on the streets molesting little kids again.

I feel for every child and family he hurt.

Again, for anyone who is against this type of thing, WAIT until it happens to you or someone you know. Wait until someone you care about is brutally murdered. Wait until someone you thought you knew rapes a child. You will change your mind.

[AFPheonix]

Why would child rape be more deserving of death than a rape of an adult? As bad as your family member's actions were, he still needs to be punished in accordance to the crime. Not to mention the fact that sex abusers tend to have a lower recidivism rate than other violent offenders at 5.1%. That's pretty low, really. Prison does seem to be pretty effective as far as rapists go.

As an aside, I think our culture has seriously gone off the deep end as far as fear of pedophiles. It's getting almost creepy how much people fixate on it. Not to mention how creepy it is when people come up with these awful punishments for criminals to "teach them a lesson".

[BlaqueKatt]

Again, for anyone who is against this type of thing, WAIT until it happens to you or someone you know. Wait until someone you care about is brutally murdered. Wait until someone you thought you knew rapes a child. You will change your mind.

Please don't tell me how to feel, and I won't tell you how to feel.

my step-brother(my mother never married his father-but they were together for over 10 years-I was raised with Jason, so to me he was my step brother)-was murdered 5 years ago with two others in his apartment-story here (http://www.channel3000.com/news/4088257/detail.html)

His death even made USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/educate/college/firstyear/articles/20070401.htm)

So It has happened to me, I caught Jason's dad, my step father when he collapsed at my step brother's grave-I still don't believe in the death penalty-and neither does Jason's father-to quote the article after the murderer hung himself "McGuigan's father told News 3 Monday that he is upset and angry. He says this is not how he wanted this case to end, and justice was not served."

The man who sexually assaulted me when I was 21 spent two months in jail and two years on probation(he plea-bargined)with court-ordered therapy. I saw him a year ago-I was with my husband-he was homeless because his conviction left him unable to find a job, I gave him $20 for food. His life is destroyed because of the decision he made, I refuse to let his decision destroy mine as well. For me Justice has been served-Jason will never have justice, and his father will never have closure.

[Greenday]

You just seem like a very forgiving person. I'm not quite so forgiving for stuff like this.

AFPheonix, you want to argue why it's ok to put someone to death for raping a child but not an adult? Ok, here's my answer: my opinion is the same for both situations. I don't think serving a year or two in jail is even close to justice. Especially for sociopaths who may do some stuff like this, they will never feel bad about what they did so a life in jail isn't that harsh a punishment.

[crazylegs]

Why do they deserve to die? Because they don't care. They like hurting, controling others,<snip>

For adult rape, it is about control, however peadophiles love children in the same way normal adults love other adults, they cannot see what is wrong with sexual contact with children which is why it is a continual process of abuse.

[Lace Neil Singer]

There's also an element of control in it; think of what a lot of these people tell their victims, "You tell anyone, and I'll kill your mother." "Tell anyone, and no-one will believe you." "If you tell anyone, they will just think you're lying and put you away." It's not just to stop the child from telling anyone, it's also to make them live in a state of constant terror of their abuser. Not to mention all the abusers who tell their victims constantly about how stupid, worthless and ugly they are, along with that they deserve what's happening to them.

But yeah, pedophiles can't be cured, cuz it's their sexuality. For this reason, I say put them in general population and throw away the key. Or if that doesn't suit the nanny state, then in solitary confinement for the rest of their life, never to be given the chance of parole so they can't get out and do it again. You know how many child rapists have done it before and been let out to do it again? It would terrify you. I will also state that castration won't do the slightest bit of good as regards to sexual abuse; if they can't physically rape a child, there are other ways to sexually abuse a child other than penetrative sex. Castration only takes away all sexual feelings if done before puberty; think of gelded horses.

[DesignFox]

I think the punishment should be the same for all rapists, not just child rapists.

If you are a serial rapist- death penalty. No one is safe with people like that around...if it is proven that they've done it numerous times, tortured or killed numerous victims- death penalty. No namby pamby bed for the rest of their lives...good riddance.

Anyway, that's what I said in the death penalty thread, and I still stand by it here. Child rapists don't deserve a break.

[Greenday]

Rapists don't deserve a break.

Fixed it for you. Child or not, I don't they deserve a break either way.

[BlaqueKatt]

You just seem like a very forgiving person. I'm not quite so forgiving for stuff like this.

I am because I will not let someone else destroy my life with their decisions. Living a life consumed by hatred or the desire for "vengance"-will not undo what has been done, and only damages another life.

Especially for sociopaths who may do some stuff like this, they will never feel bad about what they did so a life in jail isn't that harsh a punishment.

Actually for a sociopath-it is. They only value themselves and their freedom, they have no feelings for anyone but themself-so you take away the ONLY thing they value-their freedom. From this article (http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html):

"A sociopath's goal is to win. And he is willing to do anything at all to win. And sociopaths have nothing else to think about. One of the questions above was about boredom. This is a real problem for sociopaths and they seem fanatically driven to prevent boredom. The reason it looms so large for them (and seems so strange to us) is that our relationships with people occupy a good amount of our time and attention. Take that away and all you have is "playing to win" which is rather shallow and empty in comparison. So boredom is a constant problem for sociopaths and they have an incessant urge to keep up a level of stimulation."

Put them in jail and they lose, plus they get very bored.

And there is this-the actual SCOTUS decision (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-343.pdf)
Skip to page 7 of the pdf document to read what happened to the 8 yr old girl that was raped by her stepfather.

***WARNING*** This document is graphic in its detail. Not for the squeamish.
(skip to page 8 if you don't want to read the extent of her injuries.)

It explains that the victim refused to identify her attacker as her step father, she had reported previous abuse and nothing was done. Her attacker was concerned about the death penalty and convinced her to lie. It took her 21 months to record her testimony about the rape and from march second to june second to even tell her mother who really did it.(page 9 of the PDF)-as conflicted as this child was-do you think it would have been "so much easier, for her" to come forward, knowing her stepfather would be killed? She was reluctant enough to even accuse him.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Fixed it for you. Child or not, I don't they deserve a break either way.

Unless it's broken limbs...

[Greenday]

Unless it's broken limbs...

Oh snap, good call!

[CancelMyService]

I'm with DesignFox, NJ is a pansy state in that it got rid of the death penalty. Some crimes are just unforgivable and a lifetime in jail just doesn't cut it. These people don't feel remorse for what they've done. Sitting in jail for the rest of their lives won't make them feel bad. By all means, give them the death penalty.



This line of thinking really bothers me. A state does away with a flawed punishment system that KILLS people and it's a "pansy ass state".

I posit the same question I always do in these threads: what's the acceptable number of people wrongly convicted/sentenced/executed before the death penalty becomes wildly unconstitutional?

For the conservative viewpoint: How can you trust the same government that can't be expected to govern properly to make sure it kills the correct people?

For the religious viewpoint: Does "vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord" ring any bells? Should governments really be playing God and decide who lives and dies?

[Zyanya]

Again, for anyone who is against this type of thing, WAIT until it happens to you or someone you know. Wait until someone you care about is brutally murdered. Wait until someone you thought you knew rapes a child. You will change your mind.

I was molested as a child.

[AFPheonix]

You just seem like a very forgiving person. I'm not quite so forgiving for stuff like this.

AFPheonix, you want to argue why it's ok to put someone to death for raping a child but not an adult? Ok, here's my answer: my opinion is the same for both situations. I don't think serving a year or two in jail is even close to justice. Especially for sociopaths who may do some stuff like this, they will never feel bad about what they did so a life in jail isn't that harsh a punishment.

Many states, including my own, have mandatory minimum sentencing for crimes such as this, so no, they don't get out in a year or two.

[Greenday]

I posit the same question I always do in these threads: what's the acceptable number of people wrongly convicted/sentenced/executed before the death penalty becomes wildly unconstitutional?

For the conservative viewpoint: How can you trust the same government that can't be expected to govern properly to make sure it kills the correct people?

How many people, that were wrongly convicted, were given the death penalty?

If we can't expect the government to do their job, why do we let them govern? Simply because deep down we do trust them or else we'd be doing something about it.

[DesignFox]

And I didn't say the death penalty should be considered lightly. I think it should be reserved for the most heinous of crimes- i.e. serial rapists/murderers.

The guy who drugs some chick and commits a date rape doesn't deserve the death penalty (although he deserves a great deal worse punishment than a slap on the wrist). The man (or woman) who repeatedly victimizes others, adults or small children, deserves to be put down like the mad dog they are. It's not revenge. It's societal cleansing.

I think it's a pansy decision not to do what needs to be done in some very rare cases. I for one, don't ever want the possibility of a serial rapist escaping prison to do further damage. I want them dead so I don't have to worry about them. They don't feel remorse for what they do, and they cannot be rehabilitated. Euthanize them. We do it for our animals; we need to do it for our fellow humans. Sad as it may be.

[Greenday]

DesignFox hit the nail on the head. People who go around and do it a multiple amount of times, then, go ahead. But for one incident, jail is fine, as long as the term isn't short.

It's about keeping them from ever being able to commit those heinious crimes again. These sorts of people don't belong in society ever again.

[BlaqueKatt]

It's not revenge. It's societal cleansing.

"societal cleansing"-is a euphemism for eugenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics).

"Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention. Throughout history, eugenics has been regarded by its various advocates as a social responsibility, an altruistic stance of a society, meant to create healthier and more intelligent people, to save resources, and lessen human suffering."

"Historically, a minority of eugenics advocates have used it as a justification for state-sponsored discrimination, forced sterilization of persons deemed genetically defective, and the killing of institutionalized populations."

They don't feel remorse for what they do, and they cannot be rehabilitated. Euthanize them. We do it for our animals; we need to do it for our fellow humans. Sad as it may be.

Some psychotics/schitzophrenics don't feel remorse or even remember what they do(and a small percentage have killed people)-and as far as I'm aware it's illegal to execute the mentally ill-pedophilia has been determined to be a mental illness.

"As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children and may engage in child sexual abuse, also known as "pedophilic behavior". According to the DSM-IV, pedophilia is a form of paraphilia in which a person either has acted on intense sexual urges towards children, or has sexual urges towards and fantasies about children that cause distress or interpersonal difficulty."

[DesignFox]

Some psychotics/schitzophrenics don't feel remorse or even remember what they do(and a small percentage have killed people)-and as far as I'm aware it's illegal to execute the mentally ill-pedophilia has been determined to be a mental illness.


Oh ok. so since Ted over there killed a bunch of people, but doesn't remember doing it, it's cool to just let it go? I'm sorry. The rest of humanity shouldn't suffer, or chance it's children suffering because "Ted can't HELP it! He's sick!"

Yea, that person is sick. They cannot be cured. Their illness causes direct suffering to other human beings. Some people like that are so sick, they are caged like animals. You can't even tell me that's a great existance for THEM. Do away with them. Quickly and as painlessly as possible.

Rabid animals are put down to prevent them from biting and spreading their disease. Some animals are so feral and anti-social that they are put down simply because they are a danger to others. WHY do we keep HUMANS who are a simple danger and liability alive when we won't even let a dangerous DOG live?

Isn't it kinder to put down a person who "can't help themselves?" I'm not talking about a standard pedophile who collects kiddie porn on his/her computer. I'm talking about people who abduct children, rape them and murder them. Or repeatedly kidnap children and rape/torture them.

Every person makes mistakes, or has problems. Every person deserves the chance for rehabilitation. But if it is proven that these people have harmed MULTIPLE victims...and feel NO remorse...or are so fucking crazy as to not even KNOW what they are doing??? Sorry.

I'm not advocating eugenics in the terms the Nazi's or the other sick fuck's who use it as an excuse to kill people they don't like...I'm talking about ridding society of the really rare psychopath. It turns my stomach to know some of them are still alive...it really twists my guts thinking they could escape prison and do further damage to other people. It has happened. It does happen. I don't think people like that should be kept around.

Although, I guess, if the person is really THAT broken, it won't matter if there's a death penalty or not. They'll kill regardless. MAYBE it will keep the...ah...less crazy individuals that still have a sense of self-preservation from killing their victims...

I still don't like it though.

[tropicsgoddess]

If politicians talk about keeping child rapists and predators off the streets for good, then what's so bad about not imposing the death penalty on them? The death penalty is the only way to keep those sickos away from children and off the streets, since prison is nothing to them. They have no remorse for hurting innocent children and stripping them of their innocence and could care less about going to prison since they'll all be sequestered away from everybody else in that cell for life or for an interminable amount of years. It hurts both ways for a child to be murdered just as a child who is still alive but raped.

[Ree]

*Obviously, with the issues going on in my personal life lately, I only found this thread today, so I apologize for resurrecting if the issue had already been hashed to death.


I don't want the child rapist to think he has to kill the child. By giving him an 'out' (if the child lives, he doesn't get the death penalty), it makes it more likely he will let the 'witness' live. Otherwise, he has nothing to lose by killing the child.While I agree that the death penalty doesn't fit the crime, I have to say, that argument against it doesn't really hold water.

Child molesters are satisfying a compulsion and urge, and are not actually thinking about the legal consequences of their actions, so, knowing they can get the death penalty if caught would not be a deterrent.

I am against the death penalty, on principle, and don't feel it is merited in any case, as it doesn't make us any better than them when we retaliate against murder by killing those who kill.
(...and, yes, I was also molested as a child.)

[Lace Neil Singer]

To some serial child murderers, the eventual death of the child is the pinnicle (sp?) of their experience, that began with the stalking of the victim. They're not thinking about "Oh dear, this child will identify me so I have to kill them"; they are thinking only of what to do to them next.

Oh yeah, and this is a guy who killed before rape: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/weird/Joachim_kroll/1_index.html Not a pedophile, per se, but a lot of his victims were children. He couldn't get sexual satisfaction with a live victim; only when his victim was dead. There are a lot of sexual psychopaths with a similar fetish; Reginald Christie could only have sex with his victims once they were dead or dying. In this case, that argument that Ree debunked doesn't hold water.

As far as the whole "pedophilia is a mental illness"; that's what they used to say about homosexuality. Now tho, homosexuality is classed as a sexual preference. Finally, there is a big difference between a guy suffering from a compulsion to go and have sex with an eight year old who resists the compulsion and goes to get help for it... and a monster who actively seeks out and rapes an eight year old. The first deserves help, the second deserves death.

[Plaidman]

Finally, there is a big difference between a guy suffering from a compulsion to go and have sex with an eight year old who resists the compulsion and goes to get help for it... and a monster who actively seeks out and rapes an eight year old. The first deserves help, the second deserves death.

Very true. But first off, like all sexual compusions, it would be a very difficult thing. Not that it solves anything, and they deserve all the help possible.

Also: They say those who rape or molest were most likely moleseted or raped when they were young. I'm not sure how true it is. Hope its not. Otherwise no hope for some and its a repeated cycle.
I won't say anymore. Some on the boards. Others won't. Some little. Some alot. However we all remember it. A burned memoy regardless how much it was or how much you thought you wanted to at the time.

Anyway: Recently article in response to my original post.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/06/26/La_gov_signs_chemical_castration_bill/UPI-16241214510807/
It allows for judges to allow chemical castration to sex offenders.

However, shocking as it is, I'm slightly against this. I think this should go in effect, for REPEATED offender, not first time. Because as sicking and wrong this crime is, and I'm going to sound like a complete fucking asswhole that should die, I do understand, however SLIGHT, people. are. stupid. They get drunk, or high, or let their insataible lust get the hold of them. NOT excuses, but hardcore time. However, after that, they should have learned their lesson.

[the_std]

The thing about chemical castration is that it stops the person from getting an erection, but it doesn't stop the compulsion to do whatever it is they were doing before.

A person can be raped with inanimate objects as well as with a penis. It might stop some, but it won't solve the problem.

[Boozy]

I thought castration removed sexual urges entirely? (Correct me if I'm wrong, as I might be misinformed here.)

In the case of pedophiles, that would pretty much cure them. They aren't necessarily sadistic. In the case of certain rapists, it wouldn't necessarily help, because rapists tend to enjoy the power and control more than the sex.

[the_std]

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1778

However, some experts argue that Depo-Provera is ineffective and will not prevent molestation. Forced castration may have the adverse affect of angering a criminal, increasing his violent tendencies and lead to additional sexual abuse (2). Additionally, Depo-Provera is reversible. Therefore, unless injections are mandatory and monitored, pedophiles will not be "cured" by the drug therapy. The child molester will have renewed sexual fantasies and high levels of testosterone if the injections are discontinued (7). Joseph Frank Smith, a convicted child molester, became an advocate for chemical castration after undergoing the therapy in the 1980s. Smith stopped using the injections in 1989. In 1999, he was convicted for molesting a five-year old girl and immediately returned to prison (3). Depo-Provera also has caused side effects in some men "including depression, fatigue, diabetes, [and] blood clots" (2). Chemical castration may cause some detrimental effects in child molesters.

However...

Regardless, Depo-Provera has been proven to inhibit the abilities of pedophilias to assault children. The progesterone in Depo-Provera counteracts the biological tendencies that lead men to rape children (4). By lowering testosterone, Depo-Provera reduces sex drive (6). Males can have sexual intercourse (7) but do not want to. Depo-Provera also decreases aggressive tendencies by reducing testosterone. "[T]he castrated criminal would be more docile and have a better opportunity to be rehabilitated, educated, and to become a worthwhile citizen" (1). Castration removes the biological and chemical tendencies that are intrinsically linked to the desire to rape in males.

So it can reduce the sex drive, but might not remove it completely? I'm not sure. I can't vouch for the article's bias (or lack thereof), but I found it interesting.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Once more, I will state that child rape and indeed, rape in general, isn't just about sex. It's also a power thing; of forcing your will on a helpless victim; of making them accept penetration and also of humiliating them. It's a way for someone who is basically powerless to feel powerful. So that a pedophile who has no sex drive could still abuse a child in various horrible ways purely as a power exercise... and it would make it even harder for that child to seek help, due to everyone assuming that just cuz the child's rapist has been castrated, he's no longer dangerous.

[crazylegs]

and it would make it even harder for that child to seek help, due to everyone assuming that just cuz the child's rapist has been castrated, he's no longer dangerous.

If you were to chemically castrate them their sex drive (if male) would drop, it is the sex drive that urges them on to commit these acts, drop their testosterone, increase the estrogen and the sex drive will go.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Not if it's a power exercise. Also, castration would only have a complete effect surely if done before puberty? I know it's that way in animals.

[crazylegs]

Paedophiles have sex with children not because they want control, not because they want to hurt but because they love children in the same way another human loves an adult. They tell children that 'it's their little secret' because the paedophile knows that if they are caught that they will go to prison even though they cannot see what is wrong with their actions.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I read about rape as sometimes being a control exercise; saying a blanket statement like what you said can't mean all child abuse is pedophila, in that case.

[crazylegs]

Paedophiles very rarely use force or the threat of force to have sex with children (as an adult rapist would do to rape another adult) they will instead coerce, and make the child believe what they are doing is right, which is why they are groomed. An adult rapist doesn't groom (normally) and will use a much greater degree of force to get what they want.

[Flyndaran]

I would say that most pedophiles don't have sex with children at all. There is a massive difference between fantasy and reality.
Just because I fantasize about adult women, does not mean that I would ever rape one that was unable to consent.