PETA: yet more insanity

[Lace Neil Singer]

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=47316

Aren't they supposed to be anti-pets? Guess they even contradict themselves... :rolleyes:

http://www.dogpolitics.com/my_weblog/2007/01/peta_is_dead_me.html

[Greenday]

PETA is probably THE most moronic group on the face of this Earth. Practically nothing they do makes sense for their movement.

[AFPheonix]

Heh. I guess they stocked up on enough puppy body bags for their own kill shelters they decided to share.

It's absolute insanity to me that this organization out of all of them out there cannot be arsed to promote no-kill. What hypocritical assholes.

[Flyndaran]

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=47316

Aren't they supposed to be anti-pets? Guess they even contradict themselves... :rolleyes:

http://www.dogpolitics.com/my_weblog/2007/01/peta_is_dead_me.html

You are absolutley right. This PETA person should get mental help. It's almost as if he were a group of individuals with unique thoughts and ideas on how to go about their goals.

[ebonyknight]

I remember a story once, where there was a district leader who was confronted about her hypocrisy. Her hypocrisy? She used insulin. Insulin is produced from pigs. When confronted with this she said that it was her duty to stay healthy and alive so that she could continue the fight for the rights of animals.

-edit-
Found the quote.....

"PETA’s Mary Beth Sweetland should also answer for her own personal hypocrisy. Like more than ten million Americans, she’s diabetic. Sweetland injects herself daily with insulin that was tested on animals; she has conceded that her medicine “still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it…. I don’t see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals.”

:rolleyes:

I've dealt with them on a professional basis and they are truly a nutty organization. Let me correct that. Their organization is full of nuts.

[Amethyst Hunter]

PETA never was known for its intelligence...

Sure wish I could get my $50 back from 'em.** :p









** = Donated years ago when I was young and stupid and didn't know about them. Trust me, I felt like a heel when I learned about their assholery.

[Flyndaran]

They do give a bad name to all us non-hypocritical animal lovers.
I know that my beliefs are far too extreme for the massive majority of people in the world. But damn it, I am consistent about it.

I refuse to eat mammals on pain of death, but my girlfriend enjoys murderous meat. ;) I don't judge her for it. I would prefer that she didn't, but she prefers that I clean up the apartment.
Everyone is flawed. To get all bent out of shape over others doing or thinking something that you "know" to be wrong just leads to extremism and insanity.

Though if I witnessed anybody abusing one of my kitties, all sense of live and let live and psuedo-pacifism gets thrown out the door. They would have 260 pounds of terror on their face in a fraction of a second. In a fraction of a second later they would have my girlfriend on them.

[IDrinkaRum]

PETA likens the AKC to the KKK (http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/9201478/PETA-uses-KKK-imagery-at-dog-show-protest/?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002)

2 PETA members dresses up as KKK members complete with white sheets & hoods and said because the AKC is dealing with only purebred dogs, they are trying to come up with a "master race" for pets.

[Dreamstalker]

Oh, for the love of---GAH! My brain just vapor-locked upon seeing that. "Uncomfortable comparison"? More like "zero comparison". Master race is one single gene pool. Dog breeds by definition have way more than one gene pool.

They (PETA) need to be banned. Part of me figured they were going to try something this year.

[Lace Neil Singer]

They already have; they say now we should call fish "sea kittens". -.-

[Dreamstalker]

That's where that came from?! Great googly moogly...what next? Wait, scratch that, I do not want to know.

[IDrinkaRum]

They already have; they say now we should call fish "sea kittens". -.-

"Sea kittens"? "Sea kittens"!? WTF? I think the people of PETA have finally lost their collective minds. I'm still eating tuna ... tuna is good whether it's a fish or a kitten. Harumph. And people wonder why I don't support PETA.

[Tanasi]

Oh, for the love of---GAH! My brain just vapor-locked upon seeing that. "Uncomfortable comparison"? More like "zero comparison". Master race is one single gene pool. Dog breeds by definition have way more than one gene pool.

They (PETA) need to be banned. Part of me figured they were going to try something this year.

Believe it or not I don't want PETA banned they're way too good at shooting themselves in the foot and then stuff said foot up their ass closely followed by their mouth. They're idiots and the sooner the great unwashed masses see this and stop supporting them the better. My oldest daughter is about to graduate from vet school in the spring. One of her professors tried to may a membership in PETA a mandatory part of the cirriculam (sp). When some complaining to the right folks took place that requirment vanished. The complainer threatened to withhold a significant yearly contribution to the Ag/Vet school.

[anriana]

"Sea kittens"? "Sea kittens"!? WTF? I think the people of PETA have finally lost their collective minds. I'm still eating tuna ... tuna is good whether it's a fish or a kitten. Harumph. And people wonder why I don't support PETA.

Their point is that people don't eat animals that cross a certain cute threshold, and that fish have many things in common with the cute animals.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Like... ?

In any case, I find baby lambs cute; but I still eat them.

[anriana]

Like... ?

Eyes. A central nervous system. A skeletal system. A digestive system. A reproductive system.

In any case, I find baby lambs cute; but I still eat them.

That's nice. Please stay away from my companions.

[DesignFox]

Their point is that people don't eat animals that cross a certain cute threshold, and that fish have many things in common with the cute animals.

Yea, except that they aren't cute. :p You can't cuddle a fish. So you eat it.*shrug* I see nothing wrong with this.

I happen to think horsies are cute- so I don't eat them. But some Europeans may disagree with me- I'm not gonna say they shouldn't eat horse meat.

One person's cuddly is another person's dinner.

And I bet if any of those PETA people were starving they'd eat a cat if it's all that was available. (luckily for most of us, not likely to happen- therefore, we can be picky about our food)

Well, damn, I mean that one woman isn't willing to die to save the little piggies that provide her with her insulin. :rolleyes:

Frankly, as long as animals are not being subjected to more pain or suffering than they have to, I have no problem with them being processed as food or used in experimentation (medical- not cosmetic but that's a new argument).

Those people that choose not to eat meat or use animal products- more power to them. It is not a lifestyle I would choose, and I appreciate people (like those of you on this board) who do not force their agenda on others.

PETA is one whacked out organization. I don't like their tactics. I don't like their proposed legislation. I believe they bring about more harm than good, and to my mind, they hurt the cause of true animal activists.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Eyes. A central nervous system. A skeletal system. A digestive system. A reproductive system.



That's nice. Please stay away from my companions.

I really don't get the point you're trying to make. I eat animals, how does that harm you? It doesn't. Please quit with trying to force your opinions on me, cuz I will eat as many lambs, cows, pigs and chickens as I damn well please. :rolleyes:

And you're seriously deluding yourself if you believe that a fish has the same nerves etc as a kitten. Go back to school and learn biology.

I happen to think horsies are cute- so I don't eat them. But some Europeans may disagree with me- I'm not gonna say they shouldn't eat horse meat.
Couldn't agree more with this statement. I love puppies; but to some people, puppy = dinner. I'm not about to go up to one of those people, claim all dogs as my personal friends, and demand they stop eating them. Vegetables and plants could feel pain, for all you know, then what would you eat?

[anriana]

I really don't get the point you're trying to make. I eat animals, how does that harm you? It doesn't. Please quit with trying to force your opinions on me, cuz I will eat as many lambs, cows, pigs and chickens as I damn well please.

You asked a question on a board intended for debating, I answered, and now I'm trying to force my opinions on you? If you find criticism of the killing and eating of animals so offensive, perhaps you shouldn't read threads labeled "PETA?"

And you're seriously deluding yourself if you believe that a fish has the same nerves etc as a kitten. Go back to school and learn biology.

Quote where I said that that fish and mammals have the same nerves. I said they both have a central nervous system, which is true. I did not say they have identical nervous systems. Go back to school and learn reading comprehension.

Vegetables and plants could feel pain, for all you know, then what would you eat?


And you're telling me to study biology?

[Dreamstalker]

Believe it or not I don't want PETA banned they're way too good at shooting themselves in the foot and then stuff said foot up their ass closely followed by their mouth. They're idiots and the sooner the great unwashed masses see this and stop supporting them the better.
True, they are good for a laugh aren't they? Although do we think the unwashed masses will abandon them en masse? They must have some diehard supporters out there otherwise they would have shriveled up and died awhile ago.

[IDrinkaRum]

If the popular Hollywood types didn't endorse them and show up in their ads, and help to smear those who are not PETA players, then I think the unwashed masses might start leaving PETA en masse. But that's just my humble opinion.

[anriana]

I happen to think horsies are cute- so I don't eat them. But some Europeans may disagree with me- I'm not gonna say they shouldn't eat horse meat.

And if you think it's wrong to kill and eat cute animals, then that makes sense, because cuteness is relative.

And I bet if any of those PETA people were starving they'd eat a cat if it's all that was available. (luckily for most of us, not likely to happen- therefore, we can be picky about our food)

If I was starving to death I'd eat a person and drink my own urine. That doesn't mean I endorse cannibalism.

Frankly, as long as animals are not being subjected to more pain or suffering than they have to, I have no problem with them being processed as food or used in experimentation (medical- not cosmetic but that's a new argument).

Then you have a lot of common ground with most activist veg*ns who are working to end the unnecessary cruelty of factory farm animal slaughter.

I'm assuming you only eat happy meat?

[Sylvia727]

When did cutesiness become a factor in rational decision making? Saying that fish are sea kittens is an appeal to emotion; I understand that. When did folk start entertaining that thought regardless of the logical implications? Individuals can follow any philosophy they wish, that's their right. I know a pesco-vegetarian-whatever who chooses, in her own words, not to eat any animal that has a face. Who am I to tell her that this is silly? Or that fish really do have faces, they're just alien faces to human biology? But don't try to claim that emotion should be considered as logic.

[Flyndaran]

They want to achieve a goal that runs counter to humanity's natural self-centeredness. Because it's impossible, only the loons try to promote it and they don't care how they attain it.

Also, does anyone really believe that emotion HASN'T convinced significantly more people than logic?
Logic only works on educated people that take time to interpret new ideas. It sucks for convincing average shmoes of long held dietary beliefs.

I see eating mammals as grotesque and wrong. But I'm sensible enough to know that the human race won't change no matter what I say or do... I just deal with the fact that I belong to a self-absorbed superstitious species.

[powerboy]

PETA, if they got their acts together, could be a wonderful thing. But they really need to realize what they are doing to help the animals. How is killing non suffering animals helping them?

[anriana]

They want to achieve a goal that runs counter to humanity's natural self-centeredness. Because it's impossible, only the loons try to promote it and they don't care how they attain it.

You think everyone who follows religion is a loon, right?


I know a pesco-vegetarian-whatever who chooses, in her own words, not to eat any animal that has a face. Who am I to tell her that this is silly? Or that fish really do have faces, they're just alien faces to human biology? But don't try to claim that emotion should be considered as logic.

You should tell her it's silly to call herself any sort of vegetarian while she still eats animals. I have a friend who is, technically, a pesco-fowl vegetarian, but he doesn't call himself that because it's silly.

[IDrinkaRum]

I eat animals. No matter what PETA does/says, I'm going to eat Chicken Little, the Cow who jumped over the moon, Wilbur, and Nemo. Though I'm not too into seafood. I do like shrimp and I love (canned) tuna. Other than that, I'm a poultry/pork/beef type of girl.

I make no bones about me liking meat. I have 2 cats that I rescued from shelters. I will not call fish "sea kittens". To me it's stupid and makes no sense.

PETA will have to convince the U.S. Government to make a law that bans the eating of all meat and everyone has to become a vegetarian before I stop eating it.

[Lace Neil Singer]

You forgot Foghorn Leghorn. XD And Donald Duck! And let's not forget Bambi's mum. :D

Ariana; I'm not debating with you cuz your "arguments" are emotion based and make no sense. I STARTED this thread; why wouldn't I debate the subject? Maybe you're the one who needs to leave it.

As for the rest of what you posted; I was being flippant, but I suggest you do some reading before you blindly bash the idea that plants can feel pain. It certainly has been the subject of numorous scientific studies.

http://www.department13designs.com/vegan.html

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_a_plant_feel_pain_without_a_nervous_system

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006040518254


PETA will have to convince the U.S. Government to make a law that bans the eating of all meat and everyone has to become a vegetarian before I stop eating it.

Didn't work with alcohol; remember? There'll be meateasies springing up all over America. XD

[Dreamstalker]

If PETA wants to ban the eating of all meat, does that mean that the animals they "save" are supposed to eat only plants? Good luck enforcing that.

Dogs can handle "vegan" diets (I'm pretty sure...won't be happy, but they'll live). Cats cannot, they will die (I seem to recall a couple cases in the news involving vegans who tried to make their cat vegan as well, it did not end well for the poor cat).

[kiwi]

Peta to me is the angry extremeist religion zealot who is so caught up in their own self rightiousness that they forgot about the issues they are trying to fix

wspa however is the calm rational moderate who tries to fix the issues that cause the problem in the first place.
I have always been a fan of wspa, I have always loathed Peta

If eating meat was outlawed, I would still eat it. I will personally not allow a government become that much of a nanny state without rebelling.

[anriana]

Ariana; I'm not debating with you cuz your "arguments" are emotion based and make no sense. I STARTED this thread; why wouldn't I debate the subject? Maybe you're the one who needs to leave it.



You've already shown that you're not going to do any debating, just make flippant comments, be abrasive, and whine about people not agreeing with you.

Futhermore, I haven't made any arguments towards you - I've simply explained ideas that you admitted you weren't able to understand.

And why I leave the thread? I'm not the one complaining that people are posting opinions that are different than mine.

[Evandril]

I seriously dislike peta, mainly because anything they try and advocate is going to be 'tarnished' by their idiocy...even the causes I feel should be getting attention. They want to call fish 'Sea kittens'? That's fine, I'll order a plate of sea kittens next time I feel like having fish...I had a dog that would answer to 'protein', and I've eaten various interesting things while overseas.

The 'process' used to make veal is not an enjoyable one for the calf in question...but if it wasn't being raised to be a meal, it most likely would not be *alive*...so is it better for it to have never lived, or to have lived in poor conditions?

peta likes tossing paint on 'real' fur...So the person goes out and buys MORE fur to replace what they lost...Sound a bit counter-productive to anyone else?

There are quite a few things being done to animals that are cruel and unjust, and, IMO, needs to be dealt with (puppy/kitten 'farms', unneccisary/cruel animal testing, ect) but when someone takes the 'cause', and goes nuts (*all* testing animals need to be freed! and the like) it makes the real problems get drowned out by the backround noise.

[kiwi]

but if it wasn't being raised to be a meal, it most likely would not be *alive*...so is it better for it to have never lived, or to have lived in poor conditions?

I don't agree with that at all.

I haven't eaten battery eggs since I was seven and told my mother I simply refused to eat something produced by a living creature in inhumane conditions. Not only is it a miserable life for the animal in question, but I personally don't want to eat animals that have been injected with antibiotics or hormones and that are stressed.

As soon as I started working I also starting buying crate free pork products (ham, bacon, pork) , free range chickens and hormone free beef.

I would rather the animals I use for sustenance have a good natural healthy existence before they are killed for my use. It might be a short life but at least it is somewhat pleasurable for them. I don't eat veal or foie gras for that very reason. That is a personal choice of mine though.

[Dreamstalker]

I don't eat battery eggs either; last year the local chain supermarket began stocking the organic cage-free eggs. I find the cage-free variety do taste better. I will eat foie gras and veal, but only if it's offered (as in, I enjoy it as a rare treat, but would not buy it myself).

Hell, if it doesn't try to eat me first I'll eat it. I'm an omnivore. Could I go without red meat? Probably. Would I be particularly happy about it? No.

[anriana]

The 'process' used to make veal is not an enjoyable one for the calf in question...but if it wasn't being raised to be a meal, it most likely would not be *alive*...so is it better for it to have never lived, or to have lived in poor conditions?

Veal calves are byproducts of the dairy industry so the options aren't "is it better for him to have never lived, or to never live in poor conditions," more "is it better for him to be killed at birth, to be raised humanely, or to live in poor conditions"

I don't eat battery eggs either; last year the local chain supermarket began stocking the organic cage-free eggs. I find the cage-free variety do taste better. I will eat foie gras and veal, but only if it's offered (as in, I enjoy it as a rare treat, but would not buy it myself).

Why wouldn't you buy it yourself?

[Lace Neil Singer]

Ariana, I'll say this one more time so you can understand; this is my topic. I would be happy to debate with you if a) you weren't attacking me, despite the fact that other people are disagreeing with you and b) you were not being offensive in your opinions. This is the last time I'm going to bother to reply to you; next time, I'm just ignoring your posts and scrolling past to read the replies of people who are happy to debate the subject in a mature manner.

If PETA wants to ban the eating of all meat, does that mean that the animals they "save" are supposed to eat only plants? Good luck enforcing that.

Dogs can handle "vegan" diets (I'm pretty sure...won't be happy, but they'll live). Cats cannot, they will die (I seem to recall a couple cases in the news involving vegans who tried to make their cat vegan as well, it did not end well for the poor cat).

Got this from Yahoo Answers: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090130190038AAD5qTR

What I wonder about is why vegans and vegetarians don't just buy rabbits and guinea pigs? If I was in possession of a back garden, I'd rush out and buy a guinea right away as they are lovely pets. And 100% naturally vegetarian.

When I worked in the pet centre, this woman used to come in with a vegetarian dog; she ordered this vegetarian dog food and used to throw a tantrum if it didn't arrive for any reason (Note to SC: I just order it, it's up to the company I order it from to send it to me! :rolleyes: ) Her dog used to sit outside looking deeply depressed. Never used to react to anything at all; I always wondered whether that was due to its diet, or cuz its owner was a screeching harridan. Probably a bit of both; if she felt that the best way to communicate her annoyance at the fact that her order hadn't shown up (and I realise that it is annoying, however there is very little the pet store worker can do about it) was by pitching a mega tantrum, I wouldn't put it past her to be shouting and screaming at her dog if it did anything she didn't like.

[Evandril]

I don't agree with that at all.

Which did you not agree with? It was an open question...Slightly loaded, but still an open question. Some people do feel it would have been 'better' for the animal to have never lived.

[kiwi]

Some people do feel it would have been 'better' for the animal to have never lived.

I dont agree with allowing an animal to live in a bad way for any length of time. I personally would rather animals not ever live at all than be what I personally believe to be tortured while they are alive.

[Dreamstalker]

Why wouldn't you buy it yourself?
Right now, expense and for foie gras, the chances of me ruining it in the cooking process are quite high.

[IDrinkaRum]

You forgot Foghorn Leghorn. XD And Donald Duck! And let's not forget Bambi's mum. :D

I've eaten Bambi's mum. :p I was 10. It was in chili. I wasn't too impressed. I might try it again. Not sure. I'm up for it.

Haven't had Donald Duck. From what I understand, if it's not done correctly, it's greasy. I just get a sick feeling in my tummy at the thought of it.

As for Foghorn Leghorn - Bring him on! :D

Dreamstalker - I have no clue on how to cook foie gras. However, I do remember Tyler Florence(? I think it was him) who showed a woman how to cook it. You might be able to go to foodnetwork.com and get a recipe. Not that I'm telling OMG! Go there now and expenses be darned!

However, from now on, I'm thinking about eating meat for every single meal I have. XD

[Dreamstalker]

One thing I will not eat (besides fugu; while intriguing, it's just too risky):

Tofurkey.

In Manhattan (somewhere near Grand Central Station on Lex IIRC), there's a vegetarian/vegan burger joint. My dad who is a self-professed carnivore could not tell that the burger patties were vegetarian. All in all it wasn't bad.

Unfortunately while Googling their website I found that the NYC location has closed (blaming high rents). Pity, that...I liked their food.

[Boozy]

You've already shown that you're not going to do any debating, just make flippant comments, be abrasive, and whine about people not agreeing with you.


Ariana, I'll say this one more time so you can understand; this is my topic. I would be happy to debate with you if a) you weren't attacking me, despite the fact that other people are disagreeing with you and b) you were not being offensive in your opinions. This is the last time I'm going to bother to reply to you; next time, I'm just ignoring your posts and scrolling past to read the replies of people who are happy to debate the subject in a mature manner.

This thread is one more post like this away from getting closed. For the sake of those who are behaving themselves and enjoying the debate, please stay away from the personal attacks and accusations.

If anyone has a problem with something someone says, you should respond respectfully and without taking things personally. If you have a problem with HOW someone says something, report the post and do not respond in the thread.

You should also take advantage of the "ignore" option if someone is getting on your nerves.

And for the record: Just because someone starts a thread does not mean that they can dictate the content therein. Once a thread is begun, it belongs to the Fratching community.

Now knock it off.

[AdminAssistant]

I don't eat a lot of meat - sometimes...just not a lot. Never have, I'm a carb junkie. :D At home, it's mostly chicken...and sometimes a little steak. Hamburgers...just not handy for the single person. There's always meat leftover that I usually don't use.

When I do buy animal products (heck, all groceries) I go as organic and natural as I can afford to. But it gets expensive and I'm hella poor - which is another reason why I don't eat a lot of meat. A half dozen 'cage free' eggs are $3, while the regular ones are $0.60....um, that spare can get me two boxes of mac'n'cheese.

Maybe it's because I was raised in the country (where Bambi and Donald are frequent 'dinner guests') but animal = food. Yes, lambs are cute and cuddly. They are also delicious. Crawdads are really ugly. But they are delicious. Attractiveness has no bearing on food quality. Heck, catfish are the ugliest kind of fishies there are, but so tasty. Mmmmm...bottomfeeders.... :p

Look, if someone wants to go vegan/vegetarian, more power to them. It just doesn't matter either way.

[IDrinkaRum]

Now I'm craving a TurDucKen (a chicken inside of a duck inside of a turkey). Wonder if anyone from PETA would come over and help me prepare/cook/eat it? :p

[Lace Neil Singer]

Wonder how PETA would react if you sent them a ripe turd and told them it was a "toilet kitten"? O_o That is what a mate of mine said when I told him about the sea kitten thing. XD

I've had venison before, and it's great. Hardly any fat on it, and much nicer than beef. XD I haven't had rabbit (Bugs Bunny? Is there any meat not avaliable in cartoon form?) but I know people who have and they say it's nice.

[Dreamstalker]

Oooh, I love Turducken. For some reason, I can't seem to convince my mom to try it though.
Wonder how PETA would react if you sent them a ripe turd and told them it was a "toilet kitten"? O_o
*cleans coffee off desk* That's the funniest thing I've read all day...isn't sending stuff like that through the mail illegal?

Venison really depends on what the deer eat. I've had some unbelievably good meat, and some that had been foraging on juniper--not totally inedible, but not great.

I've become a fan of elk and kangaroo jerky.

[IDrinkaRum]

I've tried a piece of emu steak. It was delicious.

I love Buffalo burgers! There used to be a buffalo farm near my in-laws' house, but it burned down. :(

Fudruckers sells an ostrich burger. I might give it a try someday.

[tropicsgoddess]

I am against wearing fur and yes I eat meat but I refuse to support PETA because of how they try and shove their beliefs down the public's throat.

[AFPheonix]

I won't support PETA. I will support good rescues and groups that actually put their money where their mouths are in regards to animal welfare. There are many small rescues and organizations out there that can and do far better with less money that PETA ever will.
Besides, PETA kills dogs and cats and puts them in a freezer in their headquarters. I fail to see how that could possibly meet with their mission statement.

[Flyndaran]

I am against wearing fur and yes I eat meat but I refuse to support PETA because of how they try and shove their beliefs down the public's throat.

I refuse to eat mammals, but have little problem with fur. The animal didn't care if it was killed for meat or fur. It's dead either way.

Everyone with strongly held beliefs tries to force it down everyone's throat. If they didn't, then they obviously don't feel that strongly.

Or they're like me and know that fighting impossible fights no matter how just is simply too tiring and leads to perpetual frustration.
I dealt with the fact that most of humanity doesn't care about animal welfare. I dealt with the fact that most of humanity is superstitious.
People of peta simply refuse to deal with the difference between progress and winning the impossible.

[anriana]

I am against wearing fur and yes I eat meat but I refuse to support PETA because of how they try and shove their beliefs down the public's throat.

So it's wrong to kill animals because their skin and hair looks pretty but it's okay to kill them because they taste good?

[DesignFox]

I'm assuming you only eat happy meat?

Nah, now that I think about it...my statement is a bit hypocritical. I've been known to eat veal. And that is certainly NOT happy meat.

I've read about factory farm procedures. If things are done right, I think it's far more humane than the way animals in a "Kosher" factory are killed- just for instance.

I just accept that pain and suffering are unavoidable. And since Orca whales torture their food and eat it...or hell just kill for plain fun, I'm not gonna feel too guilty about the bolt to the head the cow took so I could have a steak.

Ever watch a cat hunt? Yeeeeeaaaa....not nice. Nature isn't nice.

It's a fact of life that we all have to eat. I need meat in my diet. I'm gonna eat it.

I'm hoping that farming and harvesting techniques are becoming more humane as we go along. But I accept there's only so much you can do. I personally couldn't eat a cow I raised and named- but my SO can and HAS. *shrug* I don't think it makes him a bad person. The realities of working on a farm and harvesting animals are harsh. But the people I know who have done it are not unnecessarily cruel to their charges.

And I don't think most high end beef cows are treated cruelly either. They can't be or else the meat wouldn't taste good. (Veal being a debatable exception)

The reality of most factory farms in regards to cows is that they go down a chute, around a corner, and BAM. done. They don't know what hit them. They didn't see the cow next to them bite it. They just went for a ride.

Same thing in pig farms. Actually, from what I've been told by someone who worked in a slaughter facility, the last thing you want is for the pig to realize whats happening- the whole horde will freak out and someone will get hurt. So, yea. They put them down peacefully. (If I'm not mistaken, they knock them out before they slit their throat and hang them to bleed...so the pig literally doesn't feel anything).

Wikipedia has some interesting articles on farm factory practices, too. (Don't read if squeamish)

and- In my book medical testing is alright, so long as the scientists are acting ethically.

[Dreamstalker]

Temple Grandin developed humane slaughtering practices I believe. http://www.grandin.com/ Fascinating stuff.

[Sylvia727]

Ever watch a cat hunt? Yeeeeeaaaa....not nice. Nature isn't nice.

It's a bit of a side note, but most feral cats don't play with their food and prolong the hunt. That's primarily the behavior of domesticated cats, who are well-fed and don't need to hunt, but still have the instincts of thousands of generations telling them to chase down that rodent.

Unless, of course, you were going for a "nature red in tooth and claw" comment. In which case, carry on.

[Lace Neil Singer]

"Don't kid yourself, Jimmy. If a cow got the chance it would eat you and everyone you care about."

XD

Speaking seriously, a lot of predators don't wait til their prey is dead before they start eating so the prey animal suffers terribly before it finally kicks the bucket. If you're a tiger and hungry, you're not going to hang around til the deer is dead before chomping on it.

[Flyndaran]

...
Speaking seriously, a lot of predators don't wait til their prey is dead before they start eating so the prey animal suffers terribly before it finally kicks the bucket. If you're a tiger and hungry, you're not going to hang around til the deer is dead before chomping on it.

What on earth do non-human actions have to do with what we humans choose to do? As a human being, I supposedly have the intelligence to understand and make informed choices that no other creature on earth could.

I have the capacity to sympathise with relative species that I understand have the same emotions and physical feelings that I do.

[DesignFox]

I was just making the point that animals eat other animals. It's nature. And as far as being human goes, we know that animals suffer when we kill them, so we try to reduce the trauma involved (generally speaking- veal and foie gras being notable exceptions).

In nature, predators aren't so kind. So, I don't feel guilty about most farming practices. I know that cow had a better death coming from a bolt gun than it would if it had been eaten in the wild.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with people disagreeing and choosing not to eat meat. It's the extremists (like PETA) that I can't tolerate.

A constructive thing for that organization to do would be to fund shelters, fund spay/neuter programs, help fund businesses so it would be affordable to run more free range/cruelty free practices in farming, etc.

Banning all meat, throwing paint on fur coats, calling pet breeders murderers and slave traders, and generally throwing a temper tantrum isn't serving any kind of contructive purpose.

[Lace Neil Singer]

What DesignFox said.

I have an uncle and aunt who are vegetarian. I get on very well with both, cuz they don't try and force their beliefs down my throat and vice versa. My cousins have both chosen to eat meat; they were given the choice as soon as they were old enough to be able to choose what they want to eat.

[Flyndaran]

What DesignFox said.

I have an uncle and aunt who are vegetarian. I get on very well with both, cuz they don't try and force their beliefs down my throat and vice versa. My cousins have both chosen to eat meat; they were given the choice as soon as they were old enough to be able to choose what they want to eat.

If I were a parent, I would not allow my child to eat mammals, just like I would be severely saddened by a non-atheist. Teaching one's offspring what we believe to be correct moral viewpoints is the lion's share of what it means to be a parent.
There's a huge difference between not fighting adults on their "incorrect" beliefs, and what I choose to allow my hypothetical child to do.

[Lace Neil Singer]

If I had children, I'd leave it up to them what they chose to believe in as soon as they were old enough to understand the difference. I wouldn't be upset if a child of mine chose to become vegetarian and Christian, for example. If you love your children, you accept their different opinions.

[IDrinkaRum]

My daughter is not a fan of red meat. Sometimes I can coax her to eat a little bit of it, but otherwise, nope, she's not touching it. Now, if it's chicken (especially chicken nuggets), then she's all for it! Frothing at the mouth and everything. :D

But if my daughter became a vegetarian or not, it's not my decision for me to make for her. Sure, I like meat, but not everyone does. I don't go around with signs saying "Eat Meat! It's good for you!" or whatever. I don't stop talking to people I know who are vegetarians. (One of my bestest friends is a vegetarian, and she doesn't force me to become one and I don't force her eat meat).

My child is smart enough to figure out what she likes. (I've finally gotten her to eat cooked squash - whew!)

[Tanasi]

I'm curious how many of you have actually been on a working farm where animals are raised for slaughter???
How much do you know of "factory farms" beyond what you've seen sensaionialized on tv, print and internet???
How many have actually been to a slaughter house to see for yourself what happens and how it happens???
How many have actually had a hand in raising their food (beyond growing tomatoes and rabbits in the backyard)???


Hands, hands anyone anyone????

True, they are good for a laugh aren't they? Although do we think the unwashed masses will abandon them en masse? They must have some diehard supporters out there otherwise they would have shriveled up and died awhile ago.

They are useful idiots at that. I get a kick at how holier-than-thou those goobers are on that show Whale Wars. I'm not saying what I'd so but board my ship uninvited you could be having a real bad day. :D

[Lace Neil Singer]

Actually, I have been on working farms many times; even as a child. And nope, didn't affect me in the slightest. I accepted that the cute lambs, piglets and calves would one day end up on my plate. I've fed baby lambs with bottles of milk, then gone home and had lamb chops for dinner. Some may call me heartless, but it's just the way it is.

I've grown tomatoes before, but they are the easiest things ever to grow. You don't even need a back garden. XD

[Boozy]

I'm curious how many of you have actually been on a working farm where animals are raised for slaughter???
How much do you know of "factory farms" beyond what you've seen sensaionialized on tv, print and internet???
How many have actually been to a slaughter house to see for yourself what happens and how it happens???
How many have actually had a hand in raising their food (beyond growing tomatoes and rabbits in the backyard)???

I grew up on a large-scale working farm, and I am still employed there as a bookkeeper. My dad was never into the livestock, so he just grows corn and wheat. We sold off the cattle after my grandfather passed away.

My grandfather ran the cattle operations. It was a profitable cattle operation -- which means that certain things had to be done to ensure profitability.

I'm not comfortable saying anything derogatory about my grandpa's way of life, because he was a very good man whom I miss a great deal. BUT - I cannot discount the "sensationalized" accounts of large-scale cattle farming operations. I've seen the way it's done first-hand.

I am pleased that my father chose to discontinue that aspect of the business.

[AdminAssistant]

I grew up on a farm - cotton, though, not livestock. However, we had a neighbor who kept about a dozen chickens for eggs and would occasionally slaughter one for dinner. I went to school with a kid whose dad raised breeder hogs. He would tells us how the 'runts' were killed at birth, explaining that it was either that, or let them starve to death because the rest of the litter won't let them feed. Life is not like Charlotte's Web.

So, while I don't have a lot of 'first-hand' experience, I've been around that life quite a bit.

[tabbyblack13]

PETA is doing weirder things everyday. Before Valentines Day they had two girls in underwear and on a giant red pillow making out. Their message was that vegetarianism makes you a better lover.

They wanted Spearfish High school to change there name to Seakitten High school.

I can understand that they want to stop cruelty but behavior like this makes then look like fools. If they want to stop cruelty then they should be supporting companies that are working towards that with stem cell research. Volunteering in halfway houses with abused kids.

As for the stars supporting PETA... they do what they do. If a person finds a cause to go behind that gives there life meaning that's fine. As long as it doesn't harm anyone. Insulting others because they don't believe in what you do is shameful. If everyone thought the same thing what fun would life be.

[Dreamstalker]

They wanted Spearfish High school to change there name to Seakitten High school.

Are you serious?! Holy crap...reminds me of when PETA wanted an entire town to change its name (http://www.cnn.com/US/9609/06/fishy.name/)...did they learn nothing from that?

Their whole "seakitten" thing is just stupid.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Let's see just how far we can take this theme, hmm? Do you feel moved by the below picture? Do you feel inclined to give this insect a great big hug? XD

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8190/crunchykitty.gif

Don't stomp on me! :( I'm a crunchy kitty!

[Dreamstalker]

I can't decide whether that's horrifying or hilarious.

Gutter-kitten?

Doesn't quite have the ring to it that the nutjobs hoped...and don't cats hate water? So "sea kitten" makes even less sense.

[Amethyst Hunter]

Do you feel moved by the below picture? Do you feel inclined to give this insect a great big hug? XD

THAT PICTURE IT BURNS MY EYESES!!!! :eek:



(I think it's safe to say that yeah, I was moved by it, but perhaps not in quite the way that PETA-nutters would like...)

[Lace Neil Singer]

XD So putting a cat tail and ears on the cockroach didn't make it cute in the slightest? Strange, that.

[tabbyblack13]

*whimpers* Take it away. Good thing my stomach has an iron will. Though that would give an explanation of what's been digging in my garbage.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I can't decide whether that's horrifying or hilarious.
Can't it be both? XD

The future of genetic engineering, maybe? :D

[Lachrymose]

Don't stomp on me! :( I'm a crunchy kitty!

Haha!

and additional chars

[lordlundar]

Looks like Rayne from Least I Could Do isn't terribly fond of PETA either.

http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20090417

[Slytovhand]

Anyone seen the 'Sea Kittens' storybooks??

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I'm curious how many of you have actually been on a working farm where animals are raised for slaughter???
How much do you know of "factory farms" beyond what you've seen sensaionialized on tv, print and internet???
How many have actually been to a slaughter house to see for yourself what happens and how it happens???
How many have actually had a hand in raising their food (beyond growing tomatoes and rabbits in the backyard)???


:D

My family, and that of cousins and such, have raised animals for for food. Chickens, pigs, cows. I have witnesses said slaughter at home and at family member's homes.

My cousin, who lived down the road from me about a quarter of a mile walking distance, lived on a "factory farm." it contained an industrial chicken house for Campbell's soup. (you might be suprised to learn that it was clean, humane, and cage free. The chicken house was not an unpleasant place, actually. On the contrary. )

I have never been to an industrial slaugterhouse. The aforementioned chickens were sent to them, but I never witnessed that part of it.

[Dreamstalker]

Anyone seen the 'Sea Kittens' storybooks??
...there are storybooks of this madness?! Published by PETA I would assume...

ETA: The Flash portion of that site is blocked at work, but the site graphics of nekomimi fish are O_o o_O

[ArenaBoy]

PETA reminds me of those hippies from that Futurama episode where they trained a lion to eat tofu. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get more bricks. :D

[Slytovhand]

When we were looking over this amusement, we had a few different versions of the tales going through our heads... like Jesus and the sermon on the Mount with the 2 loaves and 5 Sea Kittens... etc

[DesignFox]

PETA reminds me of those hippies from that Futurama episode where they trained a lion to eat tofu. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get more bricks. :D

That is one of my favorite episodes ever! :D

[Lace Neil Singer]

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8190/crunchykitty.gif

Once again, does it look cute and cuddly with kitty ears and tails added? XD

Not to mention PETA wanting the Pet Shop Boys to change their name... *face palm*

[Dreamstalker]

Well, I think it's cute, just probably not in the way that PETA intended.

I told mom about the Pet Shop Boys kerfuffle...she didn't think that anything could have topped Fishkill, but this stupidity astounded even her.

[IDrinkaRum]

PETA wishes our President hadn't swatted a fly (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31422688/ns/us_news-weird_news/?GT1=43001)

[DesignFox]

This is a fucking joke, right?

[Slytovhand]

Umm - why is this such a problem?

I, personally, like the idea...

Does this mean that all Jainists are fools as well? It's showing a respect for life... just because it's not human shouldn't degrade it any (for that matter, given a lot of humans, it should be the other way around...).

Now, if we all had a better respect for life, this would be a vastly different planet.

[Nyoibo]

I always give flies fair warning, first verbal, then a couple physical, just brushing them away, but if they don't listen and get the hint BAM, fly go squish now.

[DesignFox]

I don't think the president needs to issue an apology for swatting a fly.

Until PETA stops euthanizing puppies and kittens, they can shut the hell up about Obama swatting a fly.

If you don't want to swat flies, more power to you.

If a fly is buzzing near me, and doesn't go away, I'm swatting it. Especially if it goes near my poor horsie! You ever see what fly bites do to horsie legs?

[Rapscallion]

By PETA standards, this is a pretty mild response. It's not really headline-grabbing lunacy as it usually produces, but by now the press is just going to jump all over whatever they say and give them publicity.

Shrug.

Rapscallion

[Lace Neil Singer]

Circle of life isn't it? I'd love PETA to try and persuade a hungry pride of lionesses to leave that wildebeast alone and go eat some grass instead. XD

[Flyndaran]

I swear P.E.T.A. must be funded by animal haters. They do such a good job of making the rest of us sane animal lovers look like lunatics.

[IDrinkaRum]

PETA's new campaign is targetting obese women (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/08/17/petas-whale-billboard-has-the-intertwitter-fraternal-council/?icid=main|aimzones|dl6|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wal letpop.com%2Fblog%2F2009%2F08%2F17%2Fpetas-whale-billboard-has-the-intertwitter-fraternal-council%2F)

The billboards in Jacksonville, FL, show the back of an obese woman wearing a bikini urging the obese to go vegetarian to lose weight and look better in a bikini. It also states to "save the whales" and to lose the "blubber".

My husband was a vegetarian for a year and half. He actually gained weight. I have a friend of mine who is a woman and is a vegetarian. She'd be an amazon in the ancient world. She's 6 feet tall and used to be close to 600 pounds. She's down to like 350 or 400 now.

So going vegetarian does not guarantee you losing weight.

But as an obese woman, I'm offended. It's almost as if PETA is saying "Stupid cows! Just go veg and you'll magically lose all the weight you want!"

As if that can actually happen overnight. :rolleyes:

[violetyoshi]

PETA does immature shocking stuff, however they also are the most visible group in regards to vegetarianism and kindness towards animals. So I don't know, I mean I'll agree with you the obesity promotion was in bad taste, but who else is going to represent them?

I bought a cookbook from them of vegan recipes so, I feel like I can't hate them now. Politics are never black and white, and while Ingrid Newkirk may have said some brainless statements like pets would be better on the streets, apparently she hasn't heard of cars, buses, and trucks.

For the most part they do get things done for the benefit of animals. Perhaps they wouldn't have to use such shocking tactics, if people could take animals into consideration, like they would take their children into consideration.

[Nyoibo]

PETA's actiond are done purely for shock value to try and forward their own agenda and long ago their agenda changed and the animals coming first got lost, they do stupid stuff that sets people against them and by extension all other animal rights groups, they exagerate, they outright lie and sensationalize things, they do more harm than good and need to be shut up permanently

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Well duh they're the most visible, extremists are always the most visible. It's as if all the moderate people are getting suffocated by the unending barrage of extreme opinions volleying back and forth.

Except, some politicians who still believe in compromise...

IMO violence (ALF, R Coronado (sp?)) and misinformation are never justified by the 'virtue' of your position. The truth take precedence because basing opinions,policy, etc. on anything else is impractical not ot mention unjust.

So PETA lands itself in the same category as Neo-Nazis, Fundamentalists, Islamic extremists, etc. AKA 'the brotherhood of bad ideas'.

[IDrinkaRum]

Country singer, Blake Shelton, has been banned from PETA's tweet updates for his own tweets right back at them (http://www.theboot.com/2009/09/01/blake-shelton-taunts-peta-with-tweets/?icid=main|aimzones|dl5|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the boot.com%2F2009%2F09%2F01%2Fblake-shelton-taunts-peta-with-tweets%2F)

[Flyndaran]

Country singer, Blake Shelton, has been banned from PETA's tweet updates for his own tweets right back at them (http://www.theboot.com/2009/09/01/blake-shelton-taunts-peta-with-tweets/?icid=main|aimzones|dl5|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the boot.com%2F2009%2F09%2F01%2Fblake-shelton-taunts-peta-with-tweets%2F)

Lovely, asshole vs. lunatics.

[IDrinkaRum]

Johnny Weir, an Olympic skater, bowed to pressure from PETA pepole who complained about him wearing real fox fur on his costumes. He changed it to faux fur.

However, now Mr. Weir is calling those wo side with PETA "crazy fur people" and has declared he loves to wear dead animals (http://www.stylelist.com/2010/02/17/johnny-weir-loves-wearing-dead-animals-calls-animal-rights-activists-crazy-fur-people/?icid=main|aim|dl3|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stylelis t.com%2F2010%2F02%2F17%2Fjohnny-weir-loves-wearing-dead-animals-calls-animal-rights-activists-crazy-fur-people%2F)

ETA: Oh yeah, he's also been getting death threats because of his love for fur.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

*ahem*

This is the song that never ends, it just goes on and on my friends
Some people started singing it not knowing what it was
and now they're all stuck singing it forever just because
This is the song that never ends....

Every once in a while I think it might pay to start a reverse-death-threat company. We track down people that make death threats and threaten them with death. It'd be 10$ for a threatening call, 20$ for a dead rat nailed to their door, and 50$ apiece for a two-day picket :D

[elsporko]

I'm surprised about the initial backlash against the puppy body bags. It was harsh but true. Buying dogs instead of adopting is pretty much killing a dog in a shelter. Until the strays are under control people shouldn't buy dogs, its idiotic.

[Boozy]

Most of the dogs at my local Humane Society are "special needs", for lack of a better term. They are poorly socialized. Not every household (especially one with children) is capable of taking proper care of them.

There is a waiting list for well-socialized dogs at my local shelter.

My husband and I donate much of our charitable budget to local dog rescues, in order to help those who have the resources to properly care for these troubled animals. But when we chose to get our own dogs, we selected a reputable breeder and got them as puppies. We simply do not have the time, space, or expertise to handle certain training issues.

Our purchase of our dogs did not "kill" any shelter animal.

[the_std]

Until the strays are under control people shouldn't buy dogs, its idiotic.

What if you need a dog of a specific breed for a specific reason? Say I need a low-allergen herding dog, because I'm allergic to dogs but need something to keep my cattle in line? What's the likelihood of me finding that dog at a shelter?

I agree that, for pets, it would be preferable if everyone could adopt from a shelter before seeking out breeders, but that's not always possible.

[elsporko]

If its a work dog thats definitly a differant issue. People just wanting pets should definitly adopt however. Even if you don't want to take the time to help a traumatized dog buying a dog just perpetuates a system where dogs are sold for profit and mistreated due to that.

[Boozy]

My dogs were not mistreated. I did not go to a puppy mill or pet store. I went to a reputable breeder.

[Fryk]

I love how these kind, compassionate, caring PETA members not ONLY killed 96 animals, but then dumped their poor bodies into a Piggly Wiggly dumpster because they were too stinky to get all the way back to their crematorium.

I also love the fact the PETA has a fucking crematorium!

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I love how these kind, compassionate, caring PETA members not ONLY killed 96 animals, but then dumped their poor bodies into a Piggly Wiggly dumpster because they were too stinky to get all the way back to their crematorium.

I also love the fact the PETA has a fucking crematorium!

Hypocrisy is everywhere, especially PETA, who often protest shelters forced to do the same thing :rolleyes:

Has me quoting Thulsa Doom with alarming regularity...

[ladyneeva]

Even the few shelter dogs who are not psychological wrecks in one way or another are not always going to be suitable for everyone. Dogs aren't interchangeable... a year old 50lb lab/dane/pit mix who has never been trained at all is probably NOT a good fit for a 70 year old petite woman with osteoporosis for instance, and a 10 year old pug is probably not a good match for a 20 year old guy into marathons who wants a running buddy.

Not to mention that the 'if you get a purebred, a shelter dog dies' statement assumes that if someone's favorite breed isn't available they'll be perfectly ok taking just any dog instead. Will the shelter dog be any less dead if the person doesn't adopt a dog because there aren't any in the shelter that they want?

[AdminAssistant]

I don't agree with the notion that a shelter dog dies if you buy a puppy from a breeder. However, I really don't understand the hang ups people have about breeds. "Oh, it has to be a Pomeranian" or "It has to be a golden lab." Why the hell does it matter? Sure, I can understand general size (an elderly woman would prefer a small, gentle dog to a big, hyper one) and personality issues, but those vary from animal to animal.

Personally, I like mutts. The family pet (he lives with my parents) is a mutt that got dumped on our doorstep as a puppy. Now he's a big, dopey, lovable dog. Yeah, he's got a bit of lab and hound in him, but that doesn't matter one bit. All that matters is that he's perfect for my family, regardless of 'breed'.

I really really really do not understand these people who breed and buy 'designer' dogs. Puggles? Labradoodles? WTF? It's a dog. A DOG. You just paid over $1000 for something that licks its butt.

While buying a pet at a shop is not the source of all evil, the vast majority of people would be fine adopting from a shelter. Not all shelter animals have been abused.

[the_std]

The only reason I would ever buy a dog over adopting is allergy issues. I love dogs, but am crazy allergic to most of them. I would watch the pound for a while, see if one came up that I could adopt first, but if that didn't happen, I'd go to buy a dog. Maybe even a labradoodle, because they were first bred to be "hypoallergenic" (really, just reduced-allergen) for people in my situation.

Like I said, there are a few reasons to buy, but adopting is preferable.

[Lace Neil Singer]

While buying a pet at a shop is not the source of all evil, the vast majority of people would be fine adopting from a shelter. Not all shelter animals have been abused.

Agreed. The family dog that we used to have was adopted; she hadn't been abused, just neglected. So, she was well trained and very good natured, just with a few health problems (bad teeth, obesity, over long claws) that were soon sorted out.

As for the whole "designer dog" thing, that's bullshit. It's not a "labradoodle"; it's a mongrel. A new breed doesn't get established for decades, at least that's what I thought.

[AdminAssistant]

It's not a "labradoodle"; it's a mongrel.

Just like to say that adopting a mongrel is great, paying tons of money for a specially bred mongrel is just plain dumb, like labradoodles and the like. (From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

[the_std]

(From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

Labradoodles were originally bred to be "hypoallergenic" (impossible, only an animal without skin is hypoallergenic), but because of the poodle influence, they're greatly allergen-reduced. I agree that the designer label they've gotten is ridiculous, as are a lot of the prices charged for them, but they originally had a purpose.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Just like to say that adopting a mongrel is great, paying tons of money for a specially bred mongrel is just plain dumb, like labradoodles and the like. (From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

Oh, I wasn't implying that mongrels were somehow bad; my dog was a mongrel, she was a collie cross. However, I didn't call her a Collieheinz as if that was a proper breed, the way some of these people refer to labradoodles and puggles as being so. What's wrong with saying "crossbred" or "mongrel"?

As for paying tons of money, well the saying does go "A fool and his money are soon parted." -.-

[Vagabond]

(From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)

I've known a few labs and they've never been stupid. But all dogs are slightly different. Some are smarter, some have more personality and others you wish you could turn into a chili.

[elsporko]

Oh, I wasn't implying that mongrels were somehow bad; my dog was a mongrel, she was a collie cross. However, I didn't call her a Collieheinz as if that was a proper breed, the way some of these people refer to labradoodles and puggles as being so. What's wrong with saying "crossbred" or "mongrel"?

As for paying tons of money, well the saying does go "A fool and his money are soon parted." -.-


All dogs are a cross between something and something else. If they are intentionally making these breeds what makes them not a breed?

[Lace Neil Singer]

I believe I stated earlier that a breed needs to be around for a certain length of time before it's established.

A breed is not considered an established breed until it's accepted by the Kennel Club/American Kennel Club. For example, the Labradoodle is not recognised as a breed by either.

http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/breeds/Labradoodle.htm
Not classified – a cross between a Labradors (Gundog Group) and a Poodle (Utility Group) used as family pets, companions, agility/obedience, also assistance and therapy dogs particularly for children... The breed is not recognised yet by Kennel Club.

I believe the crosses were first done in 1988; which is far too early as yet for the Kennel Club to recognise the Labradoodle as an established breed. In comparison, the Afghan Hound, which shares a common ancestor with the Pharoah Hound and was very likely the result of a cross, has origins can be dated back for at least 5000 years to antiquity.

Let's pick a more recent established breed. The American Cocker Spaniel. Origins of this breed are in the 1800s and the breed was first registered by the Kennel Club in 1878.

[Dreamstalker]

(From my experience, full blood poodles are mean and full blooded labs are stupid, why would anyone put those things together?)
I dogsat for one last week. If you think both breeds are bad already, try controlling one whose only training has been "Puppies For Dummies" (and not very well at that). This dog is smart but dumb if that makes any sense (her owners are so lax she thinks she can get away with anything).

Not properly leash trained, and she's a regular terror at the off-leash dog park. The one time I took her over there hoping she'd run off some energy, I had to break up a scuffle that looked like it was about to get bad...the labradoodle's owner says "oh she just likes to play"--that was not playing.

I have met nice ones, but they need to be trained well. This one is not.

My first dog when I was a pup literally appeared on my grandparents' doorstep one day. He had obviously belonged to someone; we know he had Setter in him but that's about it. He was extremely protective of me in particular; if I was playing outside and mom had to go in for something he would sit watching me until she came back (if anyone came into the yard he would start snarling and barking up a storm). She got some flack from a couple people about "leaving your daughter alone with such a big dog" :confused:

[IDrinkaRum]

PETA is going after a local "fish out" tradition (http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2011/apr/11/3/peta-boycotts-lake-ridge-neighborhood-fish-out-ar-965184/)

Starting this Friday, in my little town of Lake Ridge, Virginia (which is part of Woodbridge), at a local swimming pool, the Lake Ridge Park and Recreation Association is going to be adding special pond-like water into one of the local fishing pools and stocking it with rainbow trout.

PETA even has a form letter found here (https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3665) that is tryingn to encourage the General Manager of the LRPRA to forgo this fish out and have a "humane celebration" instead.

You know. I've never gone fishing. Never planned on going fishing. I hate fish. I hate hooks. I hate having to bait hooks. Even cleaning, and de-boning and de-scaling and whatever else that entails the fish to be edible ... I have no desire to have anything to do with it. However, because PETA is boycotting this event, I want to go and participate.

[protege]

However, because PETA is boycotting this event, I want to go and participate.

I'd do it just to torque them off. Plus, I'm a member of the *other* PETA. You know, "People Eating Tasty Animals" :D

Seriously though, in recent years, I've heard quite a few stories about animal rights activists harassing hunters on public game lands, and even on their own property. Seriously? You're going after people, some of which are *heavily* armed, and you're busting their balls about their hobby...or trying to feed their family? Not too smart, IMHO.

[Ginger Tea]

There are somethings about animals, or the treatment thereof I don't like.
I don't see the point to blood sports, fox hunting, hare coarsing (I think thats the term) and animal testing are the main ones.

Fox hunting, should the umpteenth bill be passed in both the houses of parlement and then the house of lords, how many fox hounds would be killed and how many foxes lives saved?
Answer, fucking loads and none at all.
Foxes are culled yearly, only a few are set aside for the hunts, so banning the fox hunt saves no foxes what so ever and fox hounds are not bred to be domesticated animals, that toddler yanking on the tail would be dead in seconds flat.

Hare coarsing badger baiting and other bloodsports iir are already illigal in the UK it's just hard to police as they are done far away from prying eyes.

Animal testing, the neccessary evil, if animals were never tested again, how many humans would sign up for the initial testing? Apparantly software modeling has come along in leaps and bounds and can mimic the desired effects, if thats true all well and good.
Also they say they can cure Altzhimers in rat's, how in the love of did they even find out the rat had Altzhimers in the first place?

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There are somethings about animal slaughter for meat I have to accept if I want to eat meat.
I know that an animal died for me to eat it, I'm happy with that to be on my concience (crap can't spell that word) I do not know of the cirumstances of its death, or living conditions and tbh nor do I care. I worked with a guy who used to work in an abbetoir and one time he told me that he, or someone else there, took a crowbar to a pen of pigs and beat them all to death instead of stunning them like he should have, he probably would have lost his job if someone had seen him, but he said that he or the other person (it's been years since I was told this tale I forget which) just wanted to get rid of alot of stress and piggies were gonna die anyway.

I would not eat a domesticated animal, well cat's or dog's, others due to preference or impracticalites.
I can not bring myself to eat shrimp, prawns or other seakittens that look back at me with their dead black eyes, having said that I watched a cow getting slaughtered on TV and wanted a steak all through the show.

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I'd do it just to torque them off. Plus, I'm a member of the *other* PETA. You know, "People Eating Tasty Animals" :D

Seriously though, in recent years, I've heard quite a few stories about animal rights activists harassing hunters on public game lands, and even on their own property. Seriously? You're going after people, some of which are *heavily* armed, and you're busting their balls about their hobby...or trying to feed their family? Not too smart, IMHO.

I like the sounds of that PETA :)
Hunt sabotours have caused horses injuries that have resulted in said horse being offed yet afaik not once saved a fox.
Fishing/hunting for food I agree with, the whole catch and release practice I don't get, cook the damn fish or don't fish at all.
And if I was a hunter and an activisit got in the way of my gun and dinner, well I guess I will be serving long pig tonight.

Fur/Leather, as a by product of the food industry I don't care what they do with all the left over bit's, killing something just for the fur and leaving the rest to rot = bad, something should benefit from the meat even if it's cheapo pet food.

[Tanasi]

I'd do it just to torque them off. Plus, I'm a member of the *other* PETA. You know, "People Eating Tasty Animals" :D

Seriously though, in recent years, I've heard quite a few stories about animal rights activists harassing hunters on public game lands, and even on their own property. Seriously? You're going after people, some of which are *heavily* armed, and you're busting their balls about their hobby...or trying to feed their family? Not too smart, IMHO.

I heard of a hunter that lead a merry band of PETA heads into the woods on the pretense that he was deer hunting. After several miles of twisting and turning he seperated himself from them and left them in the woods. After an overnight in the woods someone called the LEOs to let them know where the PETA heads were located.
In my AO it's a felony to harass a hunter and some have been prosecuted for doing that very thing.

[Salted Grump]

I've heard quite a few stories about animal rights activists harassing hunters on public game lands, and even on their own property.

Emphasis mine.

I go hunting every November; I go out with a .58 calibre Muzzleloader or a Remington Shotgun loaded with Slugs.

I also took multiple safety courses, and paid 110$ every five years to maintain my liscence to Own, and purchase firearms, so I have no inclination to take a potshot at a placard-waving moron.

However, if you trespass on my family's farm, in the middle of hunting season, with the intent to ruin a legal, safe hunt that is limited to one tag per hunter, then I will have no problems with flipping the safety on and giving the person a buttstroke. (Ie; a 'Love tap' with the wide end of the rifle)

Would it be assault? Yes.
Would I be charged for Assault? Most likely.
Would I request counter-charges for Trespassing, Interfering with a legal hunt, harassment, and reckless endangerment for refusing to wear blaze orange in a clearly marked 'hunting area'? Definitely.

It's not about the whole 'You eat meat, you must be evil' bullshit that annoys me about them. It's that they think that they're above the law, and try to enforce their own versions of.

Also, in eight years of Deer hunting, I've only shot one deer. (200 pounds of venison after dressing it out and skinning; it was a 6-point buck) It's less about the 'I'mma gonna shoot something' than it is about being quiet and letting nature take its course around you as you wait for the right moment. :)

[IDrinkaRum]

Starting at 11:30 AM tomorrow, PETA will be the strett from my mom's house (http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2011/apr/14/peta-plans-picket-lake-ridge-fish-out-ar-972887/)

Just called & told her that there will be PETA people protesting the Fish Out. I told her if she had to go anywhere to turn the opposite way unless she wants to drive over some protesters. :D Yeah, she said "no". My mom is no fun. :p

(FTR, I do not advocate the running over of PETA protesters).

[IDrinkaRum]

LMAO. 3 protestors showed up! One in a fish suit. Don't have link as I'm on my phone, if you google PETA, Lake Ridge, and fish-off, you might find the pics & article(s).

[Andara Bledin]

An article at Inside No VA (http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2011/apr/15/8/peta-protests-lake-ridge-neighborhood-fish-out-ar-975594/)

My favorite line is this: "“They have added more interest to the event — PETA kind of put us on the map,” [LRPRA recreation director] Couteau said of an increase in volunteers and general interest in the Fish Out since PETA became involved."

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[Lace Neil Singer]

Haha burn. XD

PETA really hack me off. While some of their policies like the one against fur might be worthwhile, the fact that as a whole they are completely nucking futs means that the message is lost in the insanity, and I'd never support them. Here's a couple of links detailing their insanity.

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-insane-peta-publicity-stunts.php

http://www.funnyordie.com/lists/fb06c87616/6-reasons-why-peta-is-batshit-insane

And they wonder why the majority of people don't take them seriously.

[IDrinkaRum]

It's going until the 23rd of this month. I might take Child Rum to the place and we can fish. Only thing, I have no clue how to prepare fish. :confused: So I don't know if I'll actually do that.

[Andara Bledin]

From what little I can recall, prepping fish is actually fairly easy. I'm sure you could find a million guides for that online, and if not, I'd bet someone at the event would be willing to help you out with it.

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[Hyena Dandy]

Studies show vegetarians have better sex...

How are these studies conducted?

FArchivist, you're always demanding people do studies on things, got any suggestions?

[Nyoibo]

My girlfriend is a vegetarian, just need a larger sample size to compare with.

[Ginger Tea]

Studies show vegetarians have better sex...

How are these studies conducted?

FArchivist, you're always demanding people do studies on things, got any suggestions?

Perhaps it was originally worded "Vegetables make better sex toy's"

[wolfie]

peta likes tossing paint on 'real' fur...So the person goes out and buys MORE fur to replace what they lost...Sound a bit counter-productive to anyone else?

PETA is hypocritical about this. They toss paint on middle-aged women wearing fur coats because they're opposed to people wearing animal skins? Leather jackets are also made from animal skins, but you never hear about PETA tossing paint on a bunch of Hell's Angels.

They already have; they say now we should call fish "sea kittens". -.-

Obviously the folks at PETA need to be pointed to a thread on CS (the one about Nemo being OK with fresh water). "Sea Kittens" implies salt water, but catfish live in fresh water. Dogfish, on the other hand, live in salt water - but they'd be offended at being referred to as "kittens".

I heard of a hunter that lead a merry band of PETA heads into the woods on the pretense that he was deer hunting. After several miles of twisting and turning he seperated himself from them and left them in the woods. After an overnight in the woods someone called the LEOs to let them know where the PETA heads were located.

Good one for that hunter, telling the PETA brigade to "get lost". Too bad some spoilsport called out the rescue squad, rather than leaving them to the mercies of nature. I can tell you exactly where the PETA heads were located, but that info would be useless to law enforcement - PETA heads are generally located up their asses.

[Ginger Tea]

PETA is hypocritical about this. They toss paint on middle-aged women wearing fur coats because they're opposed to people wearing animal skins? Leather jackets are also made from animal skins, but you never hear about PETA tossing paint on a bunch of Hell's Angels.


Leather is a natural byproduct of farm stock slaughter, animals killed for fur are probably killed for fur alone and not the meat.

And would you throw paint at a hells angel?
One guy threw a puppy at some and made his escape, albeit slowly, on a steamroller.
This might have been reported on an old episode of "What the fuck is wrong with you" on thatguywiththeglasses

[Lace Neil Singer]

PETA would probably still be opposed to leather; I would love for them to throw paint at any group of bikers, let alone Hell's Angels. XXD Would be a sight worth seeing.

[IDrinkaRum]

Actually, I would pay great money, become a vegetarian for one week (and one week only), and listen to a bunch of PETA people try to persuade me to their side, just to see some PETA people throw paint on the leather jackets of some Hells Angels. XD :devil:

[ChynaRose]

I'm surprised about the initial backlash against the puppy body bags. It was harsh but true. Buying dogs instead of adopting is pretty much killing a dog in a shelter. Until the strays are under control people shouldn't buy dogs, its idiotic.

And what did PETA do to insure that the people who called that they told off/guilted didn't get their dog from a shelter? I had a shelter dog (until old age and illness took her from me), and if I had found that add and called the company I would've been treated to the same guilt trip/telling off as someone who bought theirs from a reputable breeder or a pet shop.

[IDrinkaRum]

PETA thinks this picture of a chicken is too sexy to be put into the newspapers - never mind they use sex to try to get people to join them and not eat animals (http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/food/is-this-chicken-too-sexy-peta-thinks-so-2572348/)

PETA is launching its own porn site to get the message out about the abuse of animals and to remind people to neuter/spay their animals and their other various messages (http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/life/peta-to-launch-its-own-porn-site-does-exploiting-women-promote-animal-rights-2561409;_ylt=AqG3KkhoyAAVU_Db4RV6ptpgbqU5)

[tropicsgoddess]

Another reason I refuse to support PETA. They are just utterly ridiculous.

[bara]

Personally.. I like when the attractive girls paint themselves and stand mostly naked in cages outside of KFC. This insipires me to eat my chicken bacon sandwich outside

[ShinyObject]

Mary Beth Sweetland is a nutjob who loves to be contentious and sees nothing wrong with calling her organization "ethical" while killing healthy animals. She has a lot of agendas and helping animals is NOT one of them. If people knew her real history they would quietly tiptoe away as far as possible and hope her diabetes progresses quickly.

She has, however, done a world of good by exposing lab experimentation and torture, something that no one had done before. If some extremists hadn't gone in and done some filming we would still be like the three monkeys and not see, hear, or speak of the torture to lab animals. It's branched out to abuses on factory farms and that's helped many animals as well. I'm not her fan and I'd love to donate her to a lab, but I can admit the good that has come of some of the craziness.

As for dogs, I rescue and currently have 4, all special needs. I've lost two in the last year when the things that happened to them in the past finally caught up with them. :( I love mutts and don't mind "special needs" because I like the challenge, but I'd think hard about mixing a special needs dog with small children. I'm anti-breeding unless it is someone who is doing it on a small scale to produce healthy dogs who conform to breed standards. No one should be allowed to breed just because they have a male and female.

If you want a special breed check out the many breed specific rescues. You can get great second-hand dogs there as well as at shelters. If you have to have a puppy find a good breeder and expect to pay. You won't spend as much as on a poorly-bred mill dog that you'd get at a pet store and you will get a good companion.

Support rescue, support anti-cruelty laws, support anti-breed ban laws. Animals enrich our lives. It's our responsibility to enrich theirs. :D

[Ginger Tea]

I first heard about this on the latest radio dead air wtfiwwy live broadcast (soon to be up on thatguywiththeglasses no doubt)

Porn and images of animal cruelty (as relayed in their take on it not looked at other articles for what kinda porn, the one I read just said they were doing it) make for a great combination.

I forsee erictile disfuncions cured only by working in a slaughter house and beheading a goat to wear its head as you get jiggy with you SO perhaps still wearing the bloody apron and wilding the machette.