Femi-nazi - derogatory or not?

[iradney]

As per the discussion in this thread:
http://www.customerssuck.com/board/showthread.php?t=34698&page=2

Is referring to a woman who considers men to be lesser mammals as a femi-nazi derogatory, offensive or otherwise?

My personal opinion (Hey, I've been wrong before!):

People (regardless of sex) who regard anyone who is different as a lesser being is on par with Nazis. Since that is the gist of what they did (Jews/gypsies/blacks/physically and mentally disable are lesser beings), then I feel the term is apt.

A femi-nazi feels that men should be obliterated and kept only for breeding purposes (if even that!)
A feminist simply requests that all sexes be treated with the same amount of respect.

And discuss :)

[Boozy]

A femi-nazi feels that men should be obliterated and kept only for breeding purposes (if even that!)

And where are these people?

Why, they live in Strawman Land, along with those pro-abortion women who would force all unwed mothers to terminate their pregnancies.

I know there are a few nuts out there, but instead of recognizing them as a lunatic fringe group with deep-seated psychological problems, they are held as a valid example of the feminist movement. I don't judge all Baptists by the Westboro church group's actions, all pro-lifers by those that murder abortion doctors, or all animal rights activists by the worst of PETA's tactics. Name a cause and I can name a few nuts associated with it.

So to answer iradney's question, I guess I do have a problem with the term "femi-nazi", because I feel the "femi-" part lumps the crazies in with genuine feminists. Plus, "Nazi" is overused in general. It would be more accurate to call Femi-nazis "women in need of psychiatric care."

[ThePhoneGoddess]

LOL at Boozy with her "Strawman Land" comment.

The term was coined by Rush Limbaugh, and it was specifically used to describe women "whose goal is to allow as many abortions as possible".

I know you're in SA, Iradney, so I don't know if you are familiar with Rush Limbaugh, but that should explain exactly where the term comes from and how it's commonly used.

Oh, and btw, many people regard the term feminazi to be extremely ironic, considering that the Nazis under Hitler persecuted feminists quite severely.

People often have such surprising reactions to fair-minded women. I had a roomie once who went out with lots of guys and didn't treat them very well. Later, she roomed with the gf of a male coworker of mine. Me and the gf one night, while hanging at coworkers house, commisserated on roomie's appalling treatment of guys. Coworker was very surprised at our anger towards her; he expected we would side with her and defend her simply because she is a girl. His gf and I told him that NO ONE deserves to be mistreated by a potential girl/boyfriend, no matter what gender they were. And that women were just as capable of using men as men are of using women.

[lordlundar]

Meh, feminazis can be offended all they want by the term for all I care. They want to treat people the way they do, then they're not worthy of any respect.

[Pedersen]

And now for that shock of shocks: I'm going to rebut what Boozy said.

Just glad it's not the Point and Counterpoint from the old Saturday Night Live shows :)

And where are these people?

Why, they live in Strawman Land, along with those pro-abortion women who would force all unwed mothers to terminate their pregnancies.

I know there are a few nuts out there, but instead of recognizing them as a lunatic fringe group with deep-seated psychological problems, they are held as a valid example of the feminist movement.

Actually, you admit that they do exist. Other names for this group: Radical Feminist. Radical Lesbian. They have the opinion that men are useful only as sperm donors. And that's only until they can find a way to artificially create sperm.

They're not out in Strawman Land, they're the point of the word "feminazi". From what I have seen and heard, most people do not have issues with the feminist ideal that both genders deserve equal opportunity. Calling someone a feminist is only a dirty word to misogynists.

But then you get to the extreme end, the people who genuinely believe that women are the only ones deserving of opportunities. Gah, I really wish I could find this article. Basically, a feminazi had written up a paper in which she stated that two gay men, having anal intercourse, were being oppressive to women. How? Simple: One of those two men had to accept penetration, which put him in the female role of male/female sexual intercourse, and therefore he was being a woman, and therefore was being oppressed by a man.

It's crazy stuff like that that engenders the term feminazi.

Now, one final point: I don't doubt that a group exists (especially in the extreme religious right) that calls any woman who dares to want equality in treatment a feminazi, instead of a feminist. But, just as you don't wish to see all feminists called feminazis, I somehow doubt the rest of us would like to be called the same thing you would call that group :)

[MystyGlyttyr]

Basically, a feminazi had written up a paper in which she stated that two gay men, having anal intercourse, were being oppressive to women. How? Simple: One of those two men had to accept penetration, which put him in the female role of male/female sexual intercourse, and therefore he was being a woman, and therefore was being oppressed by a man.

...not the way my gay male friends do it. *cough* Besides, don't gay females sometimes use things for penetration too? (Ugh, Mysty just embarrassed herself by asking that question...)

I know WAY too many femi-nazis, unfortunately, who cannot STAND that I prefer male companionship to female companionship (particularly THEIR female companionship). It's only my honor code to never punch another female outside of self-defense or regulated sport that keeps them intact. That honor code freaks them out.

I've explained the way my mind works to them, in that my underlying belief for all things is that the strong should defend the weak and the weak should aspire to become strong. That's it. The rule I made for myself is that people who are *USUALLY* weak are children, the elderly, and other women, so for the safety of all, I lay off those categories. (Now, if someone from one of those categories wants to step up and prove themselves strong, then awesome, they become fair game for me to pummel :D)

Some of these women cannot figure out that this doesn't mean I'm vilifying men as needing a pounding. It means I'm acknowledging men tend to be stronger than women so I probably shouldn't pound on women. But that explanation sets off the shrieking of oppression and sexism and how I'm a pawn of the patriarchy and blah blah blah blah blah...

I use that term for these women. However, I don't really consider myself a feminist, either. It's hard to describe. I don't exactly believe men and women are equal. Some things, men are better at, and some things, women are better at. I suppose that, OVERALL, men and women end up being equal. But they aren't equal at everything across the board the way some people want to say they are. So I'm not sure where that places me, heh.

[Greenday]

...not the way my gay male friends do it. *cough* Besides, don't gay females sometimes use things for penetration too? (Ugh, Mysty just embarrassed herself by asking that question...)

Yes they do. Well, I can't say all do, but I'm sure a good amount do.

As for it being a derogatory term...it's about as derogatory as stuff like prosti-tot and such. It is not bad in the way the "nigger" is to black people, "dyke" or "rugmuncher" to lesbians, "faggot" to gay people. Those are all groups who don't deserve hate. Women for the advancement unequalness between men and women pushing women above men earn their ridicule. Same for men who are for the advancement of men over women.

[anriana]

People (regardless of sex) who regard anyone who is different as a lesser being is on par with Nazis. Since that is the gist of what they did (Jews/gypsies/blacks/physically and mentally disable are lesser beings), then I feel the term is apt.


The Nazis did far more than simply regard those categories as lesser; they acted on those feelings by murdering millions of people.

[Sylvia727]

I suppose the Nazis' victims and their families might find the term offensive, as it equates hatred with mass murder. There are many more trivializations of the term "Nazi" for those groups to get offended over, though.

The term might be offensive to geniune feminists, as it associates the prefix "femi-" with Nazis. But as a geniune feminist, I actually prefer to call myself an equalist. So there's a simple solution there, too.

I find the term "feminazi" useful, both because I can distinguish between equalists and radicals, and because invoking Godwin's Law allows me to disregard the rest of the conversation. :p

[Pedersen]

The Nazis did far more than simply regard those categories as lesser; they acted on those feelings by murdering millions of people.

Yes, yes they did. Once they started running the country, anyway. Which is just a reason for any sane people to make sure the aforementioned feminazis never get to the point of running a country.

[AFPheonix]

I think the internet makes crazy groups seem larger than they really are, including crazy women who refer to themselves as womyn and turn their sons into blithering idiots.
In any case, they are pretty few and far between, and are fringe nutsos on the whole feminism front.

I dislike the term not because there's not a few out there, but because it was coined by Limbaugh as was previously mentioned, and he uses it to describe more than just womyn. But then, Limbaugh is a lying asshole. Why people still listen to him and his vitriol is beyond me.

[Amethyst Hunter]

I dislike the term not because there's not a few out there, but because it was coined by Limbaugh as was previously mentioned, and he uses it to describe more than just womyn. But then, Limbaugh is a lying asshole. Why people still listen to him and his vitriol is beyond me.

This to the max.

I consider myself feminist. Yet I have no desire to see all men castrated, all men bound in chains, all men losing the right to vote, or so on and so on. Why? 'Cause it's just plain mean. I despise meanness in anyone, male or female.

Those who favor "feminazi" (not those who use it per se; just those who use it as a blanket for all women) are usually nowhere near as female-friendly as they claim to be. So I see the word as both offensive and inoffensive, depending on how it's used and who it's directed towards.

[Flyndaran]

I consider myself a feminist eventhough I'm a male.
Equality for the sexes is a bit different than equality for other groups. While there aren't any real differences between gays and straights, blacks and whites, christians and muslims, there ARE real and incontrovertable differences between men and women. This makes the feminism struggle that much more difficult to discuss and why there should be a specific term for it rather than just equality for all.

Feminazi sounds too much like when people use profanity not because they wish to put extra impact to sentences, but because they simply can't think of anything intelligent to say.

What's wrong with using the word sexist?

[IDrinkaRum]

*sarcasm on*

Flyndaran - A woman can't be sexist! Sexism is directed towards women. Therefore, women are sensitive towards sexism, and they would never ever be sexist themselves.

*sarcasm off*

[blas87]

I cannot stand femi-nazis. Sometimes I can be a man-basher and make blanket statements....as any girl will do when she's angry with a boy.....but ya'll should see this woman I work with, Mo.

Mo used to be a role model for me. I used to think she was awesome. Nowdays I dislike her more and more.

Mo is very manly looking. A personal choice, no one with any level of maturity or acceptance judges her on it. Yet she has attacked me several times about wearing makeup, doing my hair, the clothes I wear (and at WORK, I am beyond casual.....beyond casual with minimal makeup and messy hair). She has gotten on my case about my boyfriends........just because we choose to do things together does NOT mean that HE makes all the decisions. She knows nothing of what I do with my boyfriends, yet judges. She makes it sound like girls who enjoy male attention are OMG SUCCOMBING to the men and being weak! Nevermind there is nothing wrong with enjoying attention from the opposite sex no matter who you are.

She says I have no self respect because I dress nicer on the weekends and go to the bars. SO DO A LOT OF COLLEGE AGED KIDS. BOYS TOO! And since I've been 21...I've had a bf more often than not, when I didn't I wasn't looking.....I do NOT dress up just to impress boys, I love to look nice and it makes me feel good. I don't rip on you for wanting to look like a man, stop ripping on me for wanting to look like a girl.

She rants and raves about women being picked on and brought down by men, but then at the same time, if we talk about sexual harrassment or harrassment, it's ALWAYS the woman's fault because of what she wears. It was MY fault I got in so much trouble for my clothes and my boss had every right to put a stop to it before I got a bunch of men fired for looking at my boobs, how DARE I wear such clothes and make men stare at me.

I can never figure her out. Women like that SCARE me. At first she seemed so cool...she tried to help me through the Daddy DipShit training (because she got real angry when she found out an older man was treating his female trainer/superior like shit) and she tried to help me with my car and stuff....but she has just gone too far.

I hate women like that. You can be PRO equal rights and still wear makeup and be pretty. You can still date boys. It is NOT succombing. It's not being weak. Just because you go out with your girls to the bar does not mean you have no self respect.

[CancelMyService]

See I just assumed Rush came up with the term because he obviously feels threatened by any woman who doesn't agree her place is being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Don't forget this is also the same douchebag who routinely refers to the National Organization of Women as "NAGs" so he's got some issues with women.

[Xanthina]

I hate women like that. You can be PRO equal rights and still wear makeup and be pretty. You can still date boys. It is NOT succombing. It's not being weak. Just because you go out with your girls to the bar does not mean you have no self respect.

I am a homemaker and a submissive in a BDsm relationship. I have used the term Feminazi, when I've been repeatedly attacked by someone for my life choices. I am Pro equal rights. Just because I chose to be submissive doesn't mean I'm for all women being submissive. Actually, I think that my deciding to be a sub is exercising my equal rights... because I am CHOOSING to do so. But I think that most normal people understand that. It's only the extremes who think I'm doing something wrong.

[blas87]

If you and your husband both work together at making decisions in the house and with the family, then you really aren't submissive and I wish you wouldn't call yourself that ;)

But thank you for understanding what I meant :)

[AFPheonix]

No, she's got the right term. It's not like a Christian wife submitting to her husband's will, because subs and doms are not gender-specific terms.

[Xanthina]

AFPheonix is right... the term comes from BDsm Bondage/Discipline Dominance/submissive sado/masochism Although I am a christian wife(lol) I don't use the christian tradition for the word. My husband and I are a team. But I also "submit" to him... mostly sexual, but sometimes in the mundain also. But even if I chose the traditional christian way of submitting, I still see myself as a feminist, because I think that each person should have the choice to do whatever, as they like. :)

[Shangri-laschild]

I don't really consider myself a feminist, either. It's hard to describe. I don't exactly believe men and women are equal. Some things, men are better at, and some things, women are better at. I suppose that, OVERALL, men and women end up being equal. But they aren't equal at everything across the board the way some people want to say they are. So I'm not sure where that places me, heh.

I feel basically the same way, and I guess I'd consider that to be in the realm of feminism still. I consider feminism and equal rights to mean everyone has the same oportunities. Females should have just as much chance as males to try out for stuff like being a firefighter. More men are going to be hired because of the advantage in upper body strength. That's fine. I see equal opertunity being different than the "you have to have an equal amount of male vs female or else it's bad!!!" mentality.

As far as the term, while I don't find it horrible I agree that maybe a better term could be coined. It is nice having a way to distinguish between the actuall feminists and the people at the edge.

While there may not be a huge amount of "keep them in cages for their sperm" minded people, there is the group in the middle who consider all guys to be idiots and completely believe the "all guys are dumb dirty grunting things that need us to take care of them and lead them by the hand" way of thought which, while not as bad as the extremes, isn't all that great either.

[Flyndaran]

... My husband and I are a team. But I also "submit" to him... mostly sexual, but sometimes in the mundain also. ...
There is never any submitting going on in my relationship, sexual or otherwise. We chose to do, think, or believe things by our own will.
Anyone that can't even imagine relationships without power struggles needs therapeutic help.

Men and women are equal. Trying to define equality by statistical averages is simply the first step toward bigotry.

Judge me only by those qualities I exhibit, not by what some population to which I belong shows on average.

[anriana]

There is never any submitting going on in my relationship, sexual or otherwise. We chose to do, think, or believe things by our own will.
Anyone that can't even imagine relationships without power struggles needs therapeutic help.

And anyone who makes assumptions about others' worldviews and disparages their sexuality without understanding it clearly needs immediate help with their manners.

PS Sadism/masochism were declassified as mental disorders almost 15 years ago. (and d/s was never classified as one)

[Boozy]

Anyone that can't even imagine relationships without power struggles needs therapeutic help.

Telling another member that they need therapeutic help is bordering on a personal attack. Please limit your comments to the issues and not the person, please.

And anyone who makes assumptions about others' worldviews and disparages their sexuality without understanding it clearly needs immediate help with their manners.

We ask that members report posts that bother them instead of calling others out in the thread.

Play nice. I believe that we can discuss this issue rationally and without offending others.

[Sylvia727]

I read Flyndaran's comment as disparaging against the radical sexists, who assume that society should replace the patriarchy with a matriarchy. *shrug*

[Seshat]

I use that term for these women. However, I don't really consider myself a feminist, either. It's hard to describe. I don't exactly believe men and women are equal. Some things, men are better at, and some things, women are better at. I suppose that, OVERALL, men and women end up being equal. But they aren't equal at everything across the board the way some people want to say they are. So I'm not sure where that places me, heh.

I feel basically the same way, and I guess I'd consider that to be in the realm of feminism still. I consider feminism and equal rights to mean everyone has the same oportunities.

Feminism & other sorts of equal rights are about equality of opportunity, not forced equality.

Vonnegut wrote about forced equality in his short story Harrison Bergeron (http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html).

I'm after equal opportunity, not making people be equal, or making women be programmers or making men be nurses.

[CancelMyService]

Again I feel the need to point out the term "femi-nazi" was coined by a noted misogynist, using the time honored trick of taking a very small subset of a group and making them seem like the majority (see also: Islam).


The very fact that people are fighting about it here means, as the internet meme goes, you're falling for it.

[Boozy]

Again I feel the need to point out the term "femi-nazi" was coined by a noted misogynist, using the time honored trick of taking a very small subset of a group and making them seem like the majority (see also: Islam).

You always say what I meant to say, only more succinctly.

[Pedersen]

Again I feel the need to point out the term "femi-nazi" was coined by a noted misogynist, using the time honored trick of taking a very small subset of a group and making them seem like the majority (see also: Islam).

Ah, so the origin of the phrase matters as much as the meaning?

So, until the 80's, digital computer would have been bad, since it was coined by a homosexual (Alan Turing). Wonder what we would call them today?

No, I don't think the origin of the term matters. The meaning, though, does. And the word is a very helpful word to describe that specific subset. So, when descriing that group, I'll use that word.

[Flyndaran]

Telling another member that they need therapeutic help is bordering on a personal attack. ...
Play nice. I believe that we can discuss this issue rationally and without offending others.
Whoa, whoa, WHOA!
I meant my comment for those dictating all relationships as between controlled and controller. At no time did I intend an attack against any poster or reader.

Yikes. I know that my odd thought patterns can lead to radical misunderstandings, but this time I thought I had made my clear for once.

[AFPheonix]

Ah, so the origin of the phrase matters as much as the meaning?

So, until the 80's, digital computer would have been bad, since it was coined by a homosexual (Alan Turing). Wonder what we would call them today?

No, I don't think the origin of the term matters. The meaning, though, does. And the word is a very helpful word to describe that specific subset. So, when descriing that group, I'll use that word.

Something tells me digital computer wasn't intended as an insult towards 50% of the population, or for use as a red herring by a bombastic asshole to give his "dittohead" listeners something to be irate about, as if there aren't enough real issues to be pissed about.

[Boozy]

Yikes. I know that my odd thought patterns can lead to radical misunderstandings, but this time I thought I had made my clear for once.

Apologies if I have misinterpreted your post.

Keep in mind, however, that I'm not the only one who did. We all need to be extra careful with our phrasing when we're discussing hot button issues such as these.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread...

[iradney]

I'm not a feminist. I'm not an equalist. I'm a humanist. Until we can stop looking at the cover of the book, and read the pages within, we will never be equal. Some women can outlift the average man. Some men can be more empathetic than the average woman. Who cares what your reproductive organs are? If you find your passion and follow it, what should it matter?

[Slytovhand]

Damn you, Iradney - I was just about to use that term!!! :p

(well - actually, I'm more of a 'spirit-ist'... it doesn't matter what body the spirit is in for this lifetime, it gets the respect it's actions deem it deserves).

Flyn/Boozy - just from reading over that bit, I suspect the problem came down to a lack of a hard-return. If there was another line space before that sentence, it doesn't look like it's a run-on from his comments on control and how other people see it, but as a single line statement... and no personal attacks. But then, I'm used to interpreting things differently....*


Femi-nazi. A person who believes that they are acting in the best interests of a particular subset of humanity, but in reality is oppressing and antagonistic, in such a way as to be reminiscent of another well known group of people from about 60-70 years ago... yeah, I can see how it fits.

I don't care who originated the term, and what their background is, only whether the term appears to be accurate and useful. Hey - read Socrates and Plato - won't find too many better mysogynists than those 2 (although, to be fair, who really knows what Socrates thought, because all we've got comes via Plato). Do we totally disregard Socratic philosophy because of that, and throw the concept of The Ideal out the window?


I had a Feminist Philosophy lecturer who was heading into Femi-nazi territory. About a dozen of us in the tute, 2 of us guys. Anything that wasn't depicted in her ideology of what the subject should be about got low grades... well, for me an him it did. I remember him saying he did a survey of various women at the uni about how the feminist movement had influenced their lives. Because they said it didn't do much for them, she reamed him for it (and was flabbergasted at the other girls in the tute who argeed with him).


Slyt

[AFPheonix]

Again, Socrates and Plato were products of their cultures and times. They also had a lot of good things to say. As far as I know, they didn't coin specific terms to dehumanize certain large portions of the entire population like a certain radio host I know that in this day and age should know better, probably does know better, but does it anyways because it means ratings and more $$$ for his Oxycontin habit.

[Pedersen]

Again, Socrates and Plato were products of their cultures and times.

Fortunately, that "certain radio host" isn't a product of his culture and times. Instead, he's someone who willfully rejects the utopian ideal that he is a product of, and instead finds ways to pander to humanity's baser instincts (which, until he came along, were pretty well going the way of the dodo).

Yep, good thing the rest of society is all fixed up and nearing utopia. That way, that "certain radio host" can just be slammed. And if he happens to come up with a useful term for describing a specific subset of the population (you know, just like that blind squirrel finding the nut), well, we can easily ignore it since he came up with it.

Yep, good things all around there.

P.S.: No, I'm not a fan of his. Don't really much like him due to his beliefs. Didn't know where the term came from, either. Still don't care. The term is useful outside of the original context it came from, so I will use it in that context, and ignore the origin.

[Lace Neil Singer]

The term is useful outside of the original context it came from, so I will use it in that context, and ignore the origin.

This. Seeing as it was me who first used the term here, I think it's time I spoke. No, I did not know who came up with the term. Yes, I think it's a useful term; as it stops all feminists being lumped together with the extremists who want all men locked in cages only to be used for breeding. Just as the term "bible basher" to me only refers to the Christian fanatics who think that anyone who doesn't agree with them will burn in hell and actually harrass strangers in the street telling them so.

And for the record, I used to be a feminist; now, I'd call myself an equalist.

[AFPheonix]

Fortunately, that "certain radio host" isn't a product of his culture and times. Instead, he's someone who willfully rejects the utopian ideal that he is a product of, and instead finds ways to pander to humanity's baser instincts (which, until he came along, were pretty well going the way of the dodo).

Yep, good thing the rest of society is all fixed up and nearing utopia. That way, that "certain radio host" can just be slammed. And if he happens to come up with a useful term for describing a specific subset of the population (you know, just like that blind squirrel finding the nut), well, we can easily ignore it since he came up with it.

Yep, good things all around there.

P.S.: No, I'm not a fan of his. Don't really much like him due to his beliefs. Didn't know where the term came from, either. Still don't care. The term is useful outside of the original context it came from, so I will use it in that context, and ignore the origin.

The female gender in ancient Greece was essentially a lower class of citizenry. These days we're closer to equal, whether Mr. Limbaugh wants to recognize that or not.
Furthermore, he coined that term before the internet was popular enough to bring the nuts like womyn out of the woodwork. Extreme feminism at the time was a fringe group that he even admitted at the time had a vanishingly small population.
However, his definition of it is women who want to allow as many abortions as possible. He also has used it against women who march for reproductive rights.
Yes, how dare we take control of a process that permanently changes our lives, bodies and health. For shame.

If you want to refer to radical feminists, call them just that. No one contests that there's not a few out there. They're probably as populous as crazy scat fetishists, another fringe group who've blossomed with the Internet. Feminazi is a crude term with a crude beginning, and frankly falls under Godwin's Law.

[Slytovhand]

...and frankly falls under Godwin's Law.

What, that -

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."


?????

Personally, I can see a correlation between the attitude and philosophy of the Nazi's with that of those 'radical feminists' - harrassment, intimidation, aggression, dogmatism, controlling, superiority complex, denigration of aspects of society, desire for a form of 'cleansing' of the population. Where the comparison fails is any attempts at Socialist - Nationalist tendencies to help the economy of a country :D

[Boozy]

Personally, I can see a correlation between the attitude and philosophy of the Nazi's with that of those 'radical feminists' - harrassment, intimidation, aggression, dogmatism, controlling, superiority complex, denigration of aspects of society, desire for a form of 'cleansing' of the population. Where the comparison fails is any attempts at Socialist - Nationalist tendencies to help the economy of a country :D

I can too. The trouble is, I can see a correlation between fascism and the radical fringe of almost any group you can name.

"Nazi" is overused in general. I think we're losing our perspective; these people rallied an entire nation into supporting the extermination of 6 million people, started a world war, and had very real (and not impossible) plans to takeover Europe. It's one thing to say these things; it's another to have the means and power to do it.

A woman who goes around telling people that she has plans for global domination and genocide should be hospitalized. Calling her a "Nazi" just minimizes the very real threat that totalitarianism still poses to the world.

[anriana]

I had a Feminist Philosophy lecturer who was heading into Femi-nazi territory. About a dozen of us in the tute, 2 of us guys. Anything that wasn't depicted in her ideology of what the subject should be about got low grades... well, for me an him it did. I remember him saying he did a survey of various women at the uni about how the feminist movement had influenced their lives. Because they said it didn't do much for them, she reamed him for it (and was flabbergasted at the other girls in the tute who argeed with him).

If I was at a University and someone told me feminism hadn't done much for them, I would laugh in their face. Without feminism we wouldn't be able to gain access to higher education.

[Sylvia727]

I think (one of) the point(s) of Slyt's story was that the professor derided the student for accurately reporting on the attitudes of his classmates, simply because she didn't agree with those students' attitudes. His report didn't match her version of reality, therefore it must absolutely be false. Her sexism tripped her up.

Correct me if I'm wrong.