Pubes (Yes, I'm going there, and yes, this is serious)

[Greenday]

I'd post about it on CS, but for some reason, I don't feel like it's appropriate for CS. Also, figuring out which forum was the most accurate was freaking tough.

Anyway, what the hell is up with pubic hair? It's pretty damn annoying. And it causes a world of problems for people. Some people find it absolutely disgusting. Some people could care less about it. Some people enjoy making all sorts of shapes and designs out of it. If you watch porn these days, most pornstars are shaven. Is this giving young males the wrong impression and expectations of what is going on down there?

And I'd like to hear the female side of this. I mean, yea, I've heard guy's opinions about preferences, but we never get this philosophical about it.

So, seriously (or as serious as this topic could possibly get), how are pubes affecting society today?

(I was reading Saydrah's post of the "True Porn Clerk Series" and it mentioned pubic hair, prompting me to bring this up. I had to do it. One of those things you just have to do or you can't stop thinking about it...Yea, I'll stop there...)

[Saydrah]

Hehehe you mentioned my post :D

A quote from another forum recently: "Porn sucks these days. I miss the porn of the 1970s, when men were men, women were women, and there was no shame in pubic hair."

On a serious note: I lean toward not really giving a damn about others' preferences as long as they're not hurting me, but if I had to give an opinion I'd say that perhaps the proliferation of shaved porn actresses gives young men unrealistic expectations for their ladyfriends. It can be harmful to remove pubic hair when you're young-- waxing could damage skin and nerves if done improperly, and removing it while it's still growing in annoys doctors because then they can't make sure it's developing properly (one sign of proper development in preteens and teens is the healthy growth of pubic hair, which indicates healthy hormone levels).

Also, things like Nair have chemicals that many people are allergic to, and most young people would be afraid to tell their parents that they got a chemical burn while removing pubic hair and would instead suffer with it and potentially permanently damage their intimate areas.

That said, I did all of the above including getting chemical burns AND dyed it lavender as a teenager, and I'm just fine.

[Greenday]

I knew this thread was going to be informational :D I honestly have never thought about those repercussions from shaving, trimming, etc. Though I'm not surprised about Nair. I know a lot of people who tried it and got hurt by it.

[IDrinkaRum]

I've never tried Nair "down there", however, I have tried the one for legs, and either I didn't follow the directions, or I have some very stubborn leg hair, but it didn't work for me. :(

As for pubic hair ... I've never dyed it lavender (though I think I would love to now! LOL - thanks Saydrah!)

I prefer it when my husband shaves me down there. It's much easier for me to keep that area cleaner (especially when I have my very heavy periods).

I know ... I know ... TMI, but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. :)

Besides, my husband loves the look & I have to admit, I'm much more sensitive when it comes right down to it (which we both like).

[Saydrah]

As for pubic hair ... I've never dyed it lavender (though I think I would love to now! LOL - thanks Saydrah!)



Just be VERY careful with the bleaching step. Lavender dye won't stick on dark hair if you don't bleach first, and that requires great caution. In hindsight I recommend shaving or waxing any areas you don't plan to dye first, then using some Saran wrap or a dental dam to cover them up before applying bleach.

The dye didn't hurt, but the bleach did!

Oh, and you can't get a proper lavender in stores unless you have access to the professional supply catalogs and such, but if you mix "Ice Purple" and a darker purple it comes out well.

[Sylvia727]

Razor burn on a specifically sensitive area hurts like blazes, and since the wax they use gives me a rash... The general consensus among the women I've talked to is that removing the cushion of hair allows for more sensitivity, which is great if your lover is gentle and horrible if he's a pig.

Myself, I like body hair, anywhere and everywhere it can be found (well, maybe not underarms ;) ). I don't shave my legs, and I prefer it that way. I don't understand why so many people are repulsed by natural characteristics like body hair and stretch marks. I especially like body hair on my men. Seeing the male genitalia all naked and exposed is much less attractive to me than a healthy "Adam's thicket".

[anriana]

My male partner currently trims. I would prefer if he shaved because I always get hairs stuck in my mouth and they drive me insane. If they get into my throat I have to stop what I'm doing and cough it up. However, he knows that not shaving means I'm going to have to occasionally stop and make gross hairball sounds and as long as he's okay with that, I don't really mind him not shaving.

[Greenday]

I gotta say, I've never thought about shaving myself. Trimming is easy, but annoying as I live in a dorm and share a room with someone. Never had any complaints about it yet.

[suchislife2]

I wax it all off. I hate it personally. Sorry but I don't like "flossing" as my FH and I call it so why should he put up with it?

lol but anyways!

things I hate about waxing, is when some of the wax doesn't come off properly and I'm left with a rash for days! The pimples, and the ingrowns! OWIES!!!

But it feels cleaner, special at the "special time" of the month.

[AdminAssistant]

I had a boyfriend who preferred hair - I shaved once and he was a bit turned off by it.

Currently, I just trim things up, and occasionally I'll tweeze the bikini line. Shaving - OW. The bumps, the rash, the ingrown hairs - so not worth it.

On guys, trimming is nice (hate getting hair in my mouth), but shaving..erm...No.

[blas87]

I don't demand a guy be completely shaved, but I do not like an out of control wild jungle.

I really don't like hairy asses, either. What if some guy reached down my pants and felt the equivalent of the great wilderness on my buttcheeks? Ish.

I always shave. I have found that pretty much 9 out of every 10 guys prefer girls to be either completely shaved, or a landing strip, but most important, no hair by the lips or anywhere a guy's mouth may make contact.

Come to think of it, I really don't like hairy chests. I'm not about to make a guy change his lifestyle completely for me....but if I have to slave away shaving my legs and No No Zone, he shouldn't resemble Chewbacca anywhere.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I prefer a guy to trim, but not go completely bald. O.o It looks a bit unnerving.

I shave down there cept for a landing strip; it's just cleaner, I think. I shave legs and underarms, tho not religiously every day as I can not be bothered, just before going out and special occasions. ^^

[IDrinkaRum]

If I'm wearing a dress or shorts in the sumer, I shave my legs. During the winter, I don't shave my legs. (My mom gives me grief). However, my legs are warmer when the hair is on them. :D

[Lace Neil Singer]

Yeah; also, seeing as everyone save the insane are dressed up like Michelin Man, who's going to see your legs anyway? XD

[Flyndaran]

My life mate is so naturally hairless, she never need to shave her legs. Her armpit hair is really sparse as well. I need an actual magnifying glass to even see her arm hair.

Sadly, I am as hairy as a human male can get before it reaches animal pelt stage. If I could, I would gladly give up all body hair, if it meant no more ingrown hairs, itching when the wind blows, (I don't need keratin based antenae), the hassle of face shaving, and mild heat rashes from chest hair rubbing my skin during my tossing and turning sleep.

Personally I find pubic hair on females gross. Just my personal opinion that I've had since childhood, so it can't be blamed on culture and porn.

Also, as to the subtle accusations of pedophilia.. If you can't tell the difference between an adult woman's pubic region sans hair and that of a child's, then maybe you should get your vision, smell, and sense of context checked.

[Saydrah]

Since I didn't answer this part before-- I personally prefer partners of either gender be either trimmed or shaved/waxed completely. If a guy has a nice body overall, a complete wax can be very attractive; however, a moderate amount of pubic hair neatly kept is the best look for most males who are of average attractiveness overall, IMO. Women pretty much look good either way as long as nothing's totally out of control.

[the_std]

Personally I find pubic hair on females gross. Just my personal opinion that I've had since childhood, so it can't be blamed on culture and porn.

But what influenced that opinion? Porn influences pop culture, and pop culture's influence finds its way in to most people through some channel, no matter what. You might not know it, but it probably had something to do with that formation.

[Greenday]

Also, as to the subtle accusations of pedophilia.. If you can't tell the difference between an adult woman's pubic region sans hair and that of a child's, then maybe you should get your vision, smell, and sense of context checked.

Fair enough. I personally don't connect the two, especially as honestly I'd prefer bare, but...yea, I don't really see how people make the connection either.

[Giggle Goose]

OK, I feel this is really TMI, but a lot of other people have broken the ice, soooo...

I think, as a woman, being completely shaved just makes me feel awkward and prepubescent (sp?). I'm like Admin Asst; I just keep it trimmed and make sure nothing is sticking out of the bikini area.

But the awkward part for me to admit is that my hair is on the finer side; not thick and coarse (like I've seen in images where the woman isn't shaved and has what looks like a carpet). So I don't feel like it's much of an issue if I let things grow a bit. :o

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Well, I've gone either way and there is a fair amount of charm in either situation. I'll leave that at that.

The husband is an open minded guy, and is not bothered by either option.

As for my own preferences, I do like a little hair, but I think I would not prefer a guy with a total body pelt. Not real wild about back hair. Kind of dig a little chest hair. I'd rather the guy not shave the package, it would look too...I dunno...unmanly. I like men to look like they have a little testosterone.

Fortunately, my husband is perfect. :D

[Lace Neil Singer]

Personally, men who wax all over remind me of boy bands . Nothing wrong with them, I just don't want them in my bed. :D

[powerboy]

With me, I can stand the women to be trimmed or shaved. Personally, it turns me on more, when they are shaved. Now with me, I trim. I do not want the damn pimples or ingrown hair and what not.

[Jadedcarguy]

Best. Thread. Ever.


:D:D:o

[Greenday]

Best. Thread. Ever.


:D:D:o

Thank you. It's an important social issue that hadn't been addressed yet. I felt like I owed it to everyone to start it up.

[AdminAssistant]

With me, I can stand the women to be trimmed or shaved. Personally, it turns me on more, when they are shaved. Now with me, I trim. I do not want the damn pimples or ingrown hair and what not.

You don't want the pimples but you prefer it if your partner deals with it? hm.

[SorryIsGoodEnough]

I enjoy GIVING oral to a guy or girl or whatever, and hair doesn't bother me.

I HATE receiving it. I don't even like to be TOUCHED down there. The people I've been with probably couldn't tell you whether I was shaved, waxed, natural, whatever.

I won't reveal how I keep myself, but on other people...I don't care. If they think it's worth it to tidy up, then by all means. If they don't want to for whatever reason, as long as they are hygienic I don't really care.

[Yfandes]

As a biologist, I'm a little creeped out by people who are icked out by hair "down there". It just feels like a sexual obsession with juveniles. In times past, one of my favorite rants was "men's obsession for hairlessness is an obsession for pre-adolescent females". (Paradoxically, I do shave my legs :p )

I grew up on the story that the Greco-Roman statuary of nudes with no hair below the head created generations of men with unrealistic expectations regarding a very normal secondary sexual characteristic.

Lookie! Theres a Wikipedia entry on Pubic Hair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubic_hair) and its cultural aspects.

"It has been alleged [snip] that John Ruskin, the famous author, artist, and art critic, was apparently accustomed only to the hairless nudes portrayed unrealistically in art, never having seen a naked woman before his wedding night. He was allegedly so shocked by his discovery of his wife Effie's pubic hair that he rejected her, and the marriage was later legally annulled."

[Jadedcarguy]

I've never accepted the "pedo" argument to preferring a shaved girl, mainly because I prefer shaved girls but have no interest in kid-touching.

[anriana]

I've never accepted the "pedo" argument to preferring a shaved girl, mainly because I prefer shaved girls but have no interest in kid-touching.

What interesting phrasing. You should probably say women instead of girls; it's difficult to take your defense against pedophilia seriously when you're saying "I like shaved girls."

[Jadedcarguy]

What interesting phrasing. You should probably say women instead of girls; it's difficult to take your defense against pedophilia seriously when you're saying "I like shaved girls."

Semantics. Do you think the Motley Crue song "Girls Girls Girls" is about children? And if the girls in question were children, would they need "shaving"? Thought not. :p

[McDreidel09]

I know i'm gonna represent a minority on this, but here it goes:
I prefer my men to be shaved. I prefer my women to be shaved. I prefer myself to be shaved. For me, it feels better and smoother. What is really weird is that I like it when guys have facial hair (if they look good in it), but nowhere else. It's not that it grosses me out, but I like silky smooth.

[Greenday]

Girls and women are interchangeable to me. It's a word I use to define gender, not age.

[Jadedcarguy]

Girls and women are interchangeable to me. It's a word I use to define gender, not age.

Preach, brotha!!

[Boozy]

Girls and women are interchangeable to me. It's a word I use to define gender, not age.

Although I know it's not your intent, the word "girls" to refer to a grown woman can often sound condescending, dismissive, and chauvinistic. Rarely would I call a fully-grown adult male a "boy".

Now this is dependent on context, of course. When my husband goes out with his friends, I will often say "he's out with the boys", and he in turn is referring to my upcoming getaway as a "girls' weekend" (as am I). In those cases, using "girls and boys" has a fun and playful connotation to it that works well with the spirit of the events.

However, in referring to sex or relationships, I always prefer that men use the word "women." Calling women "girls" in the context of a sexual relationship infantilizes them and hints at the balance of power. It's a good example of how language evolved to reflect a chauvinistic society, even if the speaker isn't chauvinistic himself.

[Greenday]

In that case, maybe we should change the words boyfriend and girlfriend to manfriend and womanfriend.

No one has complained about those terms so it can't be THAT horrible.

[Saydrah]

However, in referring to sex or relationships, I always prefer that men use the word "women." Calling women "girls" in the context of a sexual relationship infantilizes them and hints at the balance of power. It's a good example of how language evolved to reflect a chauvinistic society, even if the speaker isn't chauvinistic himself.

I'm with Boozy on this one. I don't like it when in either a professional relationship or sexual relationship context, women are referred to as girls. It's demeaning. Like Boozy said, it's all about the context and who the speaker is-- but "I married a wonderful woman" sounds a lot more respectful than "I married a great girl."

[anriana]

In that case, maybe we should change the words boyfriend and girlfriend to manfriend and womanfriend.

That is another term comparable to "boys' night out" or "girls' night out." It is also, like both of those, used equally by both genders.

I personally much prefer the term "partner" for my S.O. - my boyfriends were the guys I passed notes to in middle school - and simply "friend" for friends of either gender.

No one has complained about those terms so it can't be THAT horrible.

It must be pretty cool being omniscient.

[Greenday]

That is another term comparable to "boys' night out" or "girls' night out." It is also, like both of those, used equally by both genders.

I personally much prefer the term "partner" for my S.O. - my boyfriends were the guys I passed notes to in middle school - and simply "friend" for friends of either gender.



It must be pretty cool being omniscient.

I'm just saying, in 20 years, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone having a problem with calling a group of females "girls" and a group of males "boys". And I have definitely never heard any complaints with the terms boyfriend or girlfriend. Cause if you have a problem with one, you have a problem with the other. When I refer to a group of girls, I'm not being sexist/belittling/demeaning. I'm referring to their sex and nothing more. Saying it's sexist/belittling/demeaning is just adding meaning to it that really isn't there.

[Sylvia727]

Saying it's sexist/belittling/demeaning is just adding meaning to it that really isn't there.

You don't say it with that meaning, but many others do. In person, I go by tone to determine whether the person is belittling or just using slang, but the internet is more ambiguous. I'm glad you don't have any experience with people using the word "girl" as more demeaning than "woman", but I do, and apparently others here do as well. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt when they say "girl", especially among the 18-35 year-old crowd that is more likely to be laid back about gender relations. But there are people who leave no doubt when they talk that they are subtly disrespectful of women.

[Flyndaran]

I'm just saying, in 20 years, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone having a problem with calling a group of females "girls" and a group of males "boys". And I have definitely never heard any complaints with the terms boyfriend or girlfriend. Cause if you have a problem with one, you have a problem with the other. When I refer to a group of girls, I'm not being sexist/belittling/demeaning. I'm referring to their sex and nothing more. Saying it's sexist/belittling/demeaning is just adding meaning to it that really isn't there.

Strange. I loathe referring to adults as children, unless they are in the act of behaving like children.
I have been in a rock stable relationship with my life mate for ten years. You should notice that I don't like referring to her as a girlfriend. That is what children call their cute puppy crushes. I have a true life long relathionship stronger than any marriage that I am certain will last as long as I live. Calling her my girlfriend insults the depths of my feelings.

[Greenday]

I've just always seen girls/females as interchangeable words. I never related either one to ages. Same with boys/males.

[AFPheonix]

I don't think the words themselves are really all that damaging. The tone in which they are used can be extremely disdainful, however.

[Greenday]

I don't think the words themselves are really all that damaging. The tone in which they are used can be extremely disdainful, however.

I'm pretty sure you can do that with almost any word though.

[AFPheonix]

Yep, pretty much. There is such a thing as too PC, and I think this is one of those things.

[Boozy]

I don't have a problem with girlfriend/boyfriend, but I know what Flyndaran means when he says the word doesn't reflect the depth of his commitment to his partner.

Before my husband and I were married, I called him my boyfriend up to a certain point. But by the time we were living together, it didn't seem right. He was more than my "boyfriend".

When my dad started dating after his divorce from my mother, he became serious with a lovely woman whom we all liked. He introduced her to us as his "girlfriend." I couldn't help it; I snickered. Then I quickly apologized and explained why. My dad is a grown man over the age of 50. Thinking of him as someone's "boy" friend was silly. I suggested "partner", at which point my dad snickered. "Partner" has never caught on around here for anyone other than same-sex couples.

Too bad, because I'd prefer it to "husband" and "wife" even for married couples. I like the way it implies an equal and cooperative relationship.

[Lace Neil Singer]

You know, guys can use the word "woman" as demeaning, so it's not the word that matters.

I use "boys" and "boyfriend" to refer to guys and my other half. I also prefer to be refered to as "miss" rather than "ma'am". But that's just me. Making a huge song and dance about a word seems to be rather a waste of time, when there's so many more things that requre your attention. :/

[AdminAssistant]

You know, guys can use the word "woman" as demeaning, so it's not the word that matters.

Oooh, that is one of my pet peeves. But then, I'm not a fan of pet names/nicknames. My mamma gave me a perfectly fine name. It's extremely common, short, and easy to pronounce.

Actually just had this convo with BoyThing last night, about 'baby'. I HATE being called 'baby'. I haven't been a 'baby' in 24 years.

[Flyndaran]

Oooh, that is one of my pet peeves. But then, I'm not a fan of pet names/nicknames. My mamma gave me a perfectly fine name. It's extremely common, short, and easy to pronounce.

Actually just had this convo with BoyThing last night, about 'baby'. I HATE being called 'baby'. I haven't been a 'baby' in 24 years.

I've only had one other girlfriend before I met my life love of over 10 years. With the first, I thought the idea of pet names inane and juvenile.
With my real love, though, it's become cute.
I, of course, don't call her anything but her proper name in public.

Just my experiences.

[wanderingjoe72]

Back to topic. I prefer to manscape myself. Trim it down, nice and neat, there you go.

My ladyfriends of past have ranged the spectrum, so based on experience, I prefer shaved or at least trimmed. To me it is nicer and more hygenic. Since one of the purported reasons for pubic hair was to hold body "scents" and attract mates, I like it removed so that the scents go unheld.

I have always been curious if those home electrolysis systems work, there are some hairs that I would like to remove permanently as shaving just never really does it right. Anyone know of a good one?

[kiwi]

I personally wax (well I dont do it personally I go to a salon)

My boyfriend shaves (his armpits to)

I was perfectly clear with him when we started getting intimate, if I didnt have hair there then he couldnt either. He perfers the feeling and so do I.

[Jadedcarguy]

I personally wax (well I dont do it personally I go to a salon)

My boyfriend shaves (his armpits to)

I was perfectly clear with him when we started getting intimate, if I didnt have hair there then he couldnt either. He perfers the feeling and so do I.

That's how I feel about it too. :D





Except the armpits.........:p

[kiwi]

yeah but I dont like hairy armpits on guys

YUCK

[Jadedcarguy]

To each their own I suppose.


If I was seeing someone who wanted me to shave 'em I might acquiesce, I just find the "shaved guy" look to be a bit, "ghey". :o

[Evandril]

With me, I can stand the women to be trimmed or shaved. Personally, it turns me on more, when they are shaved. Now with me, I trim. I do not want the damn pimples or ingrown hair and what not.You don't want the pimples but you prefer it if your partner deals with it? hm.

He's saying his preference, not that he'd ask them to do so. Big difference.

[Greenday]

To each their own I suppose.


If I was seeing someone who wanted me to shave 'em I might acquiesce, I just find the "shaved guy" look to be a bit, "ghey". :o

I mean, if they were so long you could put huge braids in them, fine, I could understand maybe trimming some armpit hair on a guy. But shaving them? Unless it's a pro swimmer, no way. I'm with Jaded on that one.

[kiwi]

Unless it's a pro swimmer, no way. I'm with Jaded on that one.

lucky for me I'm not sleeping with either of you then isnt it :p

[Jadedcarguy]

lucky for me I'm not sleeping with either of you then isnt it :p

Lucky for us we aren't sleeping with someone with draconian body hair policies. :p;)

[Greenday]

lucky for me I'm not sleeping with either of you then isnt it :p

Umm...Eh, I guess my response would be too inappropriate a response to say...

Lucky for us we aren't sleeping with someone with draconian body hair policies. :p;)

Oh, snap.

[Jadedcarguy]

Oh, snap.

It puts the Nair upon its skin or else it gets the hose again...................:D




Teasing Kiwi. Teasing. ;)

[kiwi]

ok well would you guys sleep with a girl who had hairy underarms....

if no why because you have hairy underarms

double standard guys

[Greenday]

No.

Society has made me that way? I don't know, having hair is kind of a guy thing, since it's testosterone and all. I dunno, I see armpit hair on a guy and I think nothing of it. That seems more natural to me. Body hair is something I relate more with men.

[Rapscallion]

ok well would you guys sleep with a girl who had hairy underarms....

if no why because you have hairy underarms

double standard guys

Were I a romantic, I'd have no problem with that. I once saw a picture of Mike Tyson and his wife out in town and she had very hairy legs. The newspaper was decrying the lack of standards. I wondered what the Hades was wrong.

Rapscallion

[AdminAssistant]

That seems more natural to me. Body hair is something I relate more with men.

Well, you've seen pictures of Amanda Palmer, right? I'll wait while you Google. Very sexy? I think so, and I'm a straight female.

She doesn't shave anything except her eyebrows. Hairy pits, hairy legs.

"Natural"? Lemme tell ya, there's nothing natural about spending time and money tweezing eyebrows, keeping facial hair (although thin and fine, it's there) in check, dealing with ingrown underarm hair, shaving legs, and doing maintenance on other areas. To put it lightly, it's a pain.

As I've said before, I'm a trimmer. While I think waxing on a guy is a bit extreme, my current BF trims, and it's very nice. Really makes fellatio more enjoyable.

[Greenday]

Even trimming I'm fine with. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't find hairy pits or hairy legs to be attractive. I mean, I'm not going to freak out if a woman's legs are stubbly. But if a girl's legs are as hairy or hairier than mine, bleh.

[kiwi]

Even trimming I'm fine with. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't find hairy pits or hairy legs to be attractive. I mean, I'm not going to freak out if a woman's legs are stubbly. But if a girl's legs are as hairy or hairier than mine, bleh.

ditto

but in reverse :D

[Jadedcarguy]

ok well would you guys sleep with a girl who had hairy underarms....

if no why because you have hairy underarms

double standard guys

If I was with a girl who requested it, I would most likely whip out the clippers and Mach III. :o


I'd just have to be sure not wear tank tops in order to avoid the "WTF, dude!?! Did you go gay???" remarks that would undoubtedly ensue. Not being mistook for a peter-puffer is an underlying factor in just about everything we do. :D

[DesignFox]

I hope no one minds that I laughed out loud reading this whole body hair exchange...

Great thread Greenday.

I find shaving the pubic hair to be horribly uncomfortable, so I just keep myself trim and tidy. If my partner wants to shave, that's fantastic. If not, that's also dandy as long as he trims up. :D

As for the leg and underarm hair...I don't care to leave myself hairy. I prefer to shave. I guess it's just a societal thing, but I find hairy legs and arms on a woman to be kinda icky. :o I associate hair with men. *shrug* I won't say anything to a woman who chooses not to shave, 'cause it's just my opinion. I don't date my own gender, anyway, so they can do whatever they want. :p

[kiwi]

Umm...Eh, I guess my response would be too inappropriate a response to say...

I want to hear it Greenday:D

[Jadedcarguy]

I find shaving the pubic hair to be horribly uncomfortable,



Venus 5 blade.



Yeah, it's a chick razor, wanna fight about it?:p

[Greenday]

I want to hear it Greenday:D

I don't think you'd be "lucky" to not be sleeping with me. Sleeping with me would be MUCH luckier.

[Flyndaran]

Natural should never enter into a discussion about what is appropriate for people.
Natural is not wearing clothes. Natural is not cooking your food. Natural is not taking drugs.
So natural is naked foul smelling me hiding in a cave twitching like a maniac.

Just F.Y.I.
At lest one female chimp that when given a video camera hooked up to a tv she looked at herself and decided to pluck her few chin whiskers. Yes when looking carefully, female chimps have less hair on their chins than males.

[DesignFox]

Venus 5 blade.



Yeah, it's a chick razor, wanna fight about it?:p

It's not the actual shaving that's uncomfortable, it's the itchy feeling when the hair starts growing back in, or the ingrown hairs appear. :o
Might be something to consider if someone ever were to request a shave though... :p

And hey, I don't judge. You wanna use a chick razor? Fine by me! :D

[Jadedcarguy]

And hey, I don't judge. You wanna use a chick razor? Fine by me! :D

Only certain parts. :o

[Boozy]

It's not fair that women's razors are generally gentler than men's, given that we primarily use them on our legs and underarms, and men use them on their faces.

My husband uses my razors to shave.

[Jadedcarguy]

It's not fair that women's razors are generally gentler than men's, given that we primarily use them on our legs and underarms, and men use them on their faces.

My husband uses my razors to shave.

You'd think the face would be really sensitive, but it's not. Go figure. :confused:

[Boozy]

I guess men have tougher skin all over. There's no way I'd run a man's razor over my delicate girly cheeks.:p

[Jadedcarguy]

It ain't holster leather by any stretch. :)


The Mach III works fine on my face for about 4 or 5 uses before it gets irritating. Anywhere else and it causes razor burn something fierce. I put aftershave on it once.
















ONCE.:o

[Flyndaran]

I guess men have tougher skin all over. There's no way I'd run a man's razor over my delicate girly cheeks.:p

Secondary sex characteristics of men getting thicker skin, hair, and more sweat glands thereby getting much stinkier.

I shave my face in the shower when the irritation and nicks don't bother me as much. As to ingrown haris, I get them everywhere so for me it has absolutely no correlation to shaving.
I would love to contract a non-harmful disease that causes all my hair to fall out. I'ld miss my eyebrows and eyelashes, but if that was the price to pay for no more shaving, haircuts, or ingrown hairs, I would gladly submit.

[Jadedcarguy]

I would love to contract a non-harmful disease that causes all my hair to fall out. I'ld miss my eyebrows and eyelashes, but if that was the price to pay for no more shaving, haircuts, or ingrown hairs, I would gladly submit.


Flyn, you ever see that movie Powder? :D







"He is electrolysis." :p

[BookstoreEscapee]

I hope no one minds that I laughed out loud reading this whole body hair exchange...

Great thread Greenday.

Hehe, thanks for sending me here, DF. I hope the next NJ meet isn't uncomfortable...:p

Personally, I hate not shaving my legs. Stubble annoys the hell out of me. And I overslept this morning, so...

As for, uh, other areas, I have shaved in the past at the request of a BF, then stopped at the request of the next BF. I keep it trimmed for myself; no guy should expect me to rip it out at the root, though. Not gonna happen.

[vanima]

there are times of the year that a razor can't TOUCH my skin... its horrid.. but i have ezema on my legs...and at times when the weather is changing.. my skin goes "AHAHAH I HATE MY OWNER AND AM GOING TO tURN INTO A GIANT ITCHY SPOT!!!"

it sucks.. but either way.. i keep trimmed down there for my OWN sake..

I actually don't like smoothness.. it makes me feel like a pedo... *shudders*

[Flyndaran]

Flyn, you ever see that movie Powder? :D







"He is electrolysis." :p

I am rather tough, but I don't think my mangy wookie body could handle the level of repeated mini-electrocution required to divest myself of hair.
Also, that stuff is hella' expensive.

[fireheart17]

Well let's see...after reading the entire exchange I'll slip my own little thoughts in.

Pubes on a guy: Not fussed as long as I don't inhale them when I give oral. Trimmed is OK. Shaven....:confused:

Pubes on a girl aka me: I'll shave and occasionally trim them. Underarm hair I will shave but only when I'm wearing something sleeveless. Leg hair I can generally get away with because I'm very fair and you actually can't see it. If I'm wearing a short dress/skirt anyway I'll wear stockings/tights.

Other bodily hair issues: Don't care. I haven't done anything to my eyebrows, again I'm fair, but mum will occasionally pluck them if it's obvious they're becoming a mono-brow. On guys, really don't care about hair.

[Seshat]

I have only one comment:

Scratchy stubble == mega-ow.

[kamn]

Huh, guess Im gonna be the minority here. I preffer to shave, realy hate to have a swamp down there whenever I see someone I like.

As for girls, I preffer that they are shaven, but so long as its not a jungle Im cool with it. I also dont ge the obsession with shaved legs and armpits. Legs, allright, hairy can be wierd, but it can be a great feeling as well. Armpits, I have no idea what gave anyone the idea that they need to be shaven.:confused: I dont find it ugly/hideus/whatever, and so long as she doesnt stink like a pig, she shouldnt have to worry about them.

[bigred]

It may also depend on the type of hair a person has. As a natural, fair, redhead, apart from my map of tassie the rest of my body hair is sparse and very very fair. I shave my legs every couple of weeks in summer. Armpits about the same. Don't bother in winter. I don't do brazliians etc. Strikes me as strange.

Would anyone turn down someone they are attracted to simply because of hair?

I think the hairless situation is a fashion, and will/has changed. But we will have a generation that thinks it is normal, while the generation below them doesn't bother.

[Rapscallion]

Would anyone turn down someone they are attracted to simply because of hair?

I don't classify myself as suffering from male pattern baldness, because it causes no real pain. Were I going to go into the tilting lists of romance, however, I know that to stand a reasonable chance of a desireable result I would have to shave my head down to meet society's expectations. Right now, I have the look of a comfortably assigned, middle-aged man, and that wouldn't be appealing to many.

Yes, it does play quite a part, and I'm not looking at trimming close to the bone.

Rapscallion

[Boozy]

Would anyone turn down someone they are attracted to simply because of hair?


If the hair made that person unattractive to begin with, then yes.

I haven't particularly cared for a few haircuts my husband has gotten over the years, but hair isn't really important to me, so I never stopped being attracted to him. But I could see myself becoming less attracted to him if he gained, say, 100 pounds. I would still love him, still stay with him, and still enjoy every other aspect of our relationship....but I can't say his appearance would be overly appealing to me at that point.

I guess my point is that attraction is pretty subjective.

[ditchdj]

You know, I always thought there was some kind of stigma about men shaving their pubes even though I hear lots of women do it, especially in porn, but after noticing that a lot of men in pornos do it I tried it and found it much more comfortable. For one thing, it gets stifling hot here in the summer, so my skin breathes better down there. Also, I don't have that problem of any of my hair there getting pulled if my pants or underwear self-adjust when I'm sitting or walking. As for the stubbles breaking out, I found that if I rub my area with rubbing alcohol (yes it burns but not that bad), then it doesn't break out the next day.

[Cat]

I shave for the weekend when I go see the boy (which is funny.....he stops shaving on the weekends)

I'm part Italian, so I'm pretty hairy, and its dark. When I hike or camp....eff that, you're lucky if I shower :)

[Flyndaran]

To add another data point to the list: I'm a woman and I don't shave anywhere. Legs, armpits, pubes, whatever, all natural. I really don't see the need to do so...

I really hate it when anyone calls a common or uncommon human behavior natural. We are the epitomy of unnatural. Not shaving is natural, but so is being naked, full of parasites, and lucky to live to a ripe old age of 35.