Black President = More involvement in hate groups for whites

[IDrinkaRum]

1st Black President; White Backlash (http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081117/ts_csm/aaryan)


Seems that since November 4, all white supremacist groups are having their numbers increased because of Barrack Obama. The KKK was recently brought into the picture as 2 men were recently charged with wanting to kill 88 black men, including Barrack Obama.

Is it really wrong for the whites who did not vote for Obama simply because he was black to feel disenfranchised because they don't believe a black man is "good enough", "smart enough", whatever to be President?

And are they any different from the people who voted for Obama simply because he is black?

[Boozy]

Is it really wrong for the whites who did not vote for Obama simply because he was black to feel disenfranchised because they don't believe a black man is "good enough", "smart enough", whatever to be President?

Yes. It is wrong.

[Slytovhand]

As much as I've pushed the line that it is still a form of prejudice, I do still see a difference.

White's saying he's 'not good enough cos he's black' is pure ignorant racism and stupidity.

Black people voting "because he's black like me" is ignorant and stupid, but comes from the need to associate and understand. And no doubt, Barrack has said things to similar effect anyway. There's no element of 'hate' involved in voting for him (though, perhaps, there is for voting against the opponents).

I've got a local election coming up in 2 weeks. I know pretty much nothing about the 4 candidates, other than the flyer I got in the mail. They all say pretty much the same thing. So... I dont' really care, but I think I'll vote the incumbent out. So to me, I've got no idea who gets number 1, and to me it won't really matter. It's ignorant, but for a different reason.

[Greenday]

Is it really wrong for the whites who did not vote for Obama simply because he was black to feel disenfranchised because they don't believe a black man is "good enough", "smart enough", whatever to be President?

And are they any different from the people who voted for Obama simply because he is black?

Yes, it's wrong. Racism is wrong no matter what. Color has no effect on intelligence.

No, they aren't different. Voting because of color is stupid. Color has no effect on effectiveness as president.

[Slytovhand]

GD - I pretty much agree... BUT... I'm seeing it more from a point of association. Would it be that much different if a larger % of women had voted for Hilary Clinton? Or, say, Kenyan's voted for him because of his (?)dad's heritage.

or cos they barrack for the same football team, or hockey, or like the same fruits.... you get my drift...

No, it's just as stupid - but I'm saying that the (hopefully) lack of hate involved in voting for is a little bit better than voting against because of a stupid racist (or other) hate...

[daleduke17]

Is it really wrong for the whites who did not vote for Obama simply because he was black to feel disenfranchised because they don't believe a black man is "good enough", "smart enough", whatever to be President?

And are they any different from the people who voted for Obama simply because he is black?

Question 1: No, it is not wrong.

Question 2: Nope. Exactly the same.

[Slytovhand]

I'm thinkig DaleDuke wants to re-read the first question, and then edit his response.....

[Flyndaran]

Racists are exclusionists.
Black voting for him are inclusionists.

Both poor reasons to base one's vote on, but of course the first are bigots.
I might vote for the first serious atheist presidential contender if I lived long enough to see one. That doesn't make me any more wrong than anyone else that votes based on one important issue.

[AFPheonix]

It's profoundly wrong to join a group dedicated to the suffering of another simply because of their outward appearance.
These people are on the wrong side of history, and the sooner they die off the better.

[daleduke17]

I'm thinkig DaleDuke wants to re-read the first question, and then edit his response.....

Nope. I don't.

Some blacks voted for Obama simply because he was black.

Some whites did NOT vote for Obama simply because he was black.

Looks pretty similar, doesn't it?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If they didn't want to vote for someone based on trivial matters, that is their own doing.

ETA, Slyt, I did misread the question initially, but, I do agree with my original answer. So people don't like who won the Presidency. Attempting to kill though, is a bit too far.

[AFPheonix]

There's a big difference when one group who voted on skin color join hate groups and the other most likely would have chalked up the loss to a continuation on what their group has had to deal with since the founding of this country.

[anriana]

Nope. I don't.

Some blacks voted for Obama simply because he was black.

Some whites did NOT vote for Obama simply because he was black.

Looks pretty similar, doesn't it?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If they didn't want to vote for someone based on trivial matters, that is their own doing.

ETA, Slyt, I did misread the question initially, but, I do agree with my original answer. So people don't like who won the Presidency. Attempting to kill though, is a bit too far.

You don't think it's wrong for white people to consider black people not good enough and too stupid to lead the country?

[IDrinkaRum]

Everyone has an opinion. Just because one doesn't agree with the sentiment "He's black so he's not good enough and he's not smart enough", doesn't mean everyone is going to disagree with it. Also, it doesn't mean these people are incorrect in their feelings/beliefs of it. It's obvious anriana that you don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. But they have an opinion and it should be heard. Not silenced.

I think a lot of this has to do with Political Correctness which, IMHO, has completely effed up this country for years past and years to come.

[anriana]

Everyone has an opinion. Just because one doesn't agree with the sentiment "He's black so he's not good enough and he's not smart enough", doesn't mean everyone is going to disagree with it. Also, it doesn't mean these people are incorrect in their feelings/beliefs of it. It's obvious anriana that you don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. But they have an opinion and it should be heard. Not silenced.

I think a lot of this has to do with Political Correctness which, IMHO, has completely effed up this country for years past and years to come.

Blatant racism is wrong. I don't think people with bigoted opinions should be silenced, either - they should be called out on it and mocked for it. I'm not sure how questioning someone on a debate board is silencing an opinion, if that's what you were trying to imply.


And no, PC is getting angry at people who say "black" instead of "african american." Decency is getting mad at someone who agrees that "He's black so he's not good enough and he's not smart enough."

[BlaqueKatt]

Racists are exclusionists.
Black voting for him are inclusionists.

I think you need to take a look at this:Spot the racist
(http://www.delta4.icom43.net/images/fullsize/spot_the_racist.jpg)
What if the black person voting was voting for Obama because he hates white people? Are they still an inclusionist or are they racist against whites?

[daleduke17]

You don't think it's wrong for white people to consider black people not good enough and too stupid to lead the country?

I don't think it is wrong for people to have an opinion. It may not be an opinion I agree with, but it is their opinion. Should they be mocked for it? No. Is it a pretty good opinion to have? No. But it is their opinion and they are entitled to it.

[Boozy]

But they have an opinion and it should be heard. Not silenced.

How exactly are these opinions being silenced? The 1st Amendment protects morons too, and I haven't seen any arguments presented here that says it shouldn't. I haven't seen anyone here say they should be forced to shut up. Rather, I'm seeing valid arguments being made showing that they are wrong, ignorant, short-sighted, and racist.

That's the danger of opening one's pie-hole. If these people say something stupid, they're going to be told so by people smarter than them. That's free speech.

Should they be mocked for it? No.

Why not?

[ArenaBoy]

I think a lot of this has to do with Political Correctness which, IMHO, has completely effed up this country for years past and years to come.

It has nothing to do with politcal correctness.

[AFPheonix]

Everyone has an opinion. Just because one doesn't agree with the sentiment "He's black so he's not good enough and he's not smart enough", doesn't mean everyone is going to disagree with it. Also, it doesn't mean these people are incorrect in their feelings/beliefs of it. It's obvious anriana that you don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. But they have an opinion and it should be heard. Not silenced.


Not all opinions are created equally. Some are straight up crap, like the one we're discussing. Sorry.

PC is not calling out racism when someone sees it, PC is trying to make the case that all "opinions" are of equal merit when to any rational person they are not.

[Flyndaran]

Not all opinions are created equally. Some are straight up crap, like the one we're discussing. Sorry.

PC is not calling out racism when someone sees it, PC is trying to make the case that all "opinions" are of equal merit when to any rational person they are not.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts.
Racism is patently wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it.
What flavor of ice cream is the best is an opinon with no right or wrong answer... unless you say broccoli, then you are just sick and should be locked up. ;)

[Evandril]

Is it really wrong for the whites who did not vote for Obama simply because he was black to feel disenfranchised because they don't believe a black man is "good enough", "smart enough", whatever to be President?

And are they any different from the people who voted for Obama simply because he is black?


Both are wrong, but the first example is more blatant. If they'd voted for someone else because their choice was white, and that was all there was to the statement, they would be equal. The rest of the statement shows the bigotry inherant in their stance, while the second leaves it open to question. Would the people who voted for Obama simply because he was black have felt 'disenfranchised' had he lost? Some would have, but others wouldn't have...the same as quite a few people who voted against Obama did not care about his skin color, or it was a minor point.

Everyone has a right to free speech in America, but that does not make their views or statements valid...Nor does it excuse them from the concequences of their speech. Your right to yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater is a given...But you're still liable for the results of that action. ;)

[powerboy]

It is wrong.

[wanderingjoe72]

This past election bothered me so much because race was always being brought up as an issue.

It took away from actual issues and policies.

As a conservative, it really ended up being a race between a Democrat and a Democrat lite. Both with lots of bad policies in my opinion.

Asking voters to be informed before dropping a ballot is a pipe dream.

We are forever going to be stuck with one issue voters.