The Octuplet Mama [Archive]

AdminAssistant

02-10-2009, 05:16 PM

Nadya Suleman...a divorced, single woman on disability who had 6 kids via in vitro fertilization...and then decided to have another procedure done. Which resulted in octuplets. Which means she now has 14 kids.

Apparently, all of her kids are being raised by her mother. Suleman injured her back and got some money for that and is on other forms of government support. It's unclear how on earth she was able to afford this many in vitro procedures, and apparently her fertility doctor is now under review for allowing her to undergo the procedure so many times.

I have a problem with this. She's not raising these kids, she doesn't seem to care about them, her parents are the ones providing for them...why is she still having them? I'm not against in vitro or against having a large litter of kidlets if you can provide for them. (I mean, I think the Duggars are nutty, but the kids do seem to be well provided for and relatively happy.) This woman clearly cannot provide for her children, and yet chooses to have more.

Huh? Is anyone else confused by this?

Sylvia727

02-10-2009, 06:48 PM

While I agree with you in principle, if she'd had the 14 kids spread out, no one would have noticed at all. All the media controversy is just watching a train wreck.

AFPheonix

02-10-2009, 07:09 PM

Having them all at once predisposes them to nasty health problems like cerebral palsy. It's rare to have that many without some having at least some health problems. To date and to my knowledge, there is only one group of septuplets that are all completely healthy. Those aren't good odds.
Her parents went to the trouble of lobbying her normal obstetrician to not do IVF on her, she went to another. That one deserves to get his license pulled. Sorry, there is no reason to to that procedure on a woman who is already on medicaid with 6 kids under the age of 8. None. That was malpractice. This woman is mentally unstable and 14 kids, no father, a grandfather who is back in Iraq to make money, and a pissed off grandmother left to take care and finance the horde is not going to help at all.

Boozy

02-10-2009, 07:58 PM

The American infertility industry is completely reckless and is in need of more regulation. I'd think a basic psychiatric evaluation would have caught this one.

Reputable clinics don't usually implant more than two embryos. Disreputable clinics implant up to half a dozen at a time because it boosts their success rates - "success" being measured in live births as a result of IVF. They don't measure the health of the baby/babies, the health of the mother, or the number of fetuses aborted (if the mother chooses to do that in the face of multiples).

Greenday

02-10-2009, 08:16 PM

Besides my usual problem with people having so many kids, I think my biggest beef in this case is with the doctor. He should be permanently banned from practicing medicine of any sort. He is clearly a dumbass as there is NO reason to implant that many eggs. With technology at it's current level, implanting more than a couple is unnecessary if everything is physically ok down there.

DesignFox

02-10-2009, 11:34 PM

I had a teacher who once said (regarding IVF and other fertility treatments), "Have families, not litters. We are humans, not dogs."

I agree with her. There is NO REASON, whatsoever, for a woman to give birth to an unnatural and unhealthy number of children at once.

I mean, I think people like the Duggars are crazy, but at least they did things naturally and have the means to support their flock.

No one can convince me that popping out 8 babies AT ONE TIME is a good idea for any reason. I don't mean any disrespect to couples who need fertility treatments- I have no real issue with that in and of itself- but keep the numbers NATURAL and HEALTHY.

It really pisses me off that this woman already had 6 kids, is already ON disability, and yet she pops out 8 more. Seriously. The audacity of the whole thing just really frosts me. Those kids should be taken away and put in foster homes, that woman's tubes should be tied, and to hell with giving her any further financial aid.

Actually, scratch that. That fucking doctor who went against all moral and ethical standards and completed the procedure despite the woman having already been denied and her parents already protesting it should have to single handedly support the whole family.

I have nothing nice to say about this situation. I really pity the grandparents and the children. The children had no say in this, and would only suffer without financial support of some kind (obviously their mother can't provide for them- and in this case WON'T even if she could) And the grandparents are between a rock and a hard place. They opposed the whole thing to begin with!

And not for nothing- it is people like THAT that give all people on any sort of aid look terrible.

Like, not for nothing, but if you are disabled and you can't work to support yourself, don't fucking reproduce, (let alone pop out a litter). People like this make people who genuinely need and deserve the aid they receive look bad. And that is the other part of this that bothers the ever loving shit out of me.

Sorry. I've been bottling that up since I read all the articles on CS. :mad:

Cat

02-11-2009, 12:33 AM

anriana

02-11-2009, 12:57 AM

I am also confused by why she decided to do this. If she likes being pregnant, wouldn't it make more sense to have lots of children one at a time?

And I'm not for forced sterilization of anyone, even her.

IDrinkaRum

02-11-2009, 01:59 AM

I just had a conversation with my husband about this. My husband who is like, "heh .. people can do whatever, I dont' care" actually said this:

1. All children should be taken away from the mother and given to the grandparents.

2. The doctor who did the IVF treatments should be forced to have half of his wages sent to the kids to help raise the kids until their of age ... either 18 or 21, he couldn't decide.

3. The mother should have a psychological evaluation and be given a hysterectomy.

I'm just shocked my husband is so passionate about this.

Greenday

02-11-2009, 04:19 AM

I like your husband's #2 situation. But then again, that goes against how I think he should be permanently banned from practicing medicine because he is EXTREMELY incompetent.

AFPheonix

02-11-2009, 10:22 AM

I too, find this situation disgusting, but on the other hand, perhaps she really has a mental illness? Can people be children horders like animal horders? Was she merely doing this for the attention?

Those poor kids.....their lives will not be easy....

(and I really hope I don't offend anyone, but I am not a fan of fertility treatments, but this is a bias of mine since I am adopted. However, I will never tell anyone they can't get treatment, just be safe/smart about it)

I almost wonder if it's not a weird version of Munchausen's by proxy, except instead of making her children ill to get attention, she pops out a royal shitton of them for attention instead.
It is almost certainly due to a screw loose, and even more damning for that doc to have even considered doing IVF on her in the first place.

IDrinkaRum

02-11-2009, 11:56 AM

Did anyone watch the interview with her last night?

These are some facts I found out:

1. She's going to school & has student loans that are helping to pay her lifestyle at the moment. It's not welfare because she has to pay it back & with welfare, you don't pay it back.

2. Her disability payments have stopped so the only source of income she has are those student loans that she will have to pay off eventually.

3. Two of her other children are Autistic and a third one has a speech delay & some autistic tendencies (which probably means he/she is on the Autism Spectrum, but not necessarily fully fledged Autistic like the other 2 children).

4. Because 2 of her kids are Autistic, she is receiving disability payments for the kids, which she claims are going to end soon. (Which I find unbelievable because I've done some research as my own daughter is Autistic and she is eligible for the SSI and the payments last until at least 18 for children and then they can re-apply if they seriously cannot work .... ever).

5. She wants to move into a bigger house. What is she going to do? Find herself a Sugar Daddy? (Last I checked, Sugar Daddies usually like them much younger and unencumbered by children).

*le sigh* She just ... infuriated me .... And her reasoning about having the kids? She was an only child and she was lonely while growing up. I looked at hubby and said we're going to have to get busy making another baby so Child Rum doesn't feel "lonely" and have 65 babies.

I say the woman is mentally disturbed and needs to be under a doctor's care.

AdminAssistant

02-11-2009, 02:21 PM

And, currently, student loans cannot be wiped away with bankruptcy.

sheesh

IDrinkaRum

02-11-2009, 02:43 PM

And, currently, student loans cannot be wiped away with bankruptcy.

sheesh

Do you think if they could be wiped away with bankruptcy she'd have tried it by now?

The woman is shocked about how the media and the public see her. But why should she be so shocked? Her 6 at home are NOT happy about the new babies coming home at all. Why should they? Less time with Mommy and mroe crying babies in the house - that barely has enough room for 6 kids, Mommy & Grandma.

IDrinkaRum

02-11-2009, 09:53 PM

Nadya Suleman has created a website (http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/)

She's asking for donations to help her and her little ones out.

I8DaCookie

02-11-2009, 10:03 PM

It seems one of her own children has more sense than she does:

Most of Suleman’s children aren’t aware of what is about to happen to their family, but 6-year-old Amerah told “Dateline” that she didn’t think eight more siblings is a good idea.

"Do you think it'll be fun to have a lot of brothers and sisters like that?” Curry asked.

“No,” Amerah said.

“Why not?”

“'Cause there's gonna be a lot of crying.”

“Do you think your mom's going to be okay with all those kids all the time?”

“She's gonna be stressed out all the time,” Amerah opined.

Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29130147/)

IDrinkaRum

02-11-2009, 10:05 PM

OMG! I forgot that part! Thank you for reminding me. XD That is too precious. The things that come out of the mouths of babes, huh?

Greenday

02-11-2009, 11:38 PM

Nadya Suleman has created a website (http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/)

She's asking for donations to help her and her little ones out.

And now she's trying to make a buck off of having so much kids through the internet. Awesome. Keep on being classy.

IDrinkaRum

02-11-2009, 11:47 PM

tropicsgoddess

02-12-2009, 02:54 AM

Greenday

02-12-2009, 04:31 AM

Three words...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Isn't six kids enough?!! I thought they only put in one egg at a time in a woman for In-Vitro Fertilization. They should've told her no or at least limited her to one, but also if she's on all kinds of government assistance, how was she able to afford all those procedures?!

They shouldn't have done it. It was medically unethical and the guy should, and mostly likely will, be stripped of his medical license.

Caveat Emptor

02-12-2009, 10:21 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/12/octuplets.mom/index.html

And believe me, she'll get donations. From ultra-liberal bleeding hearts, others who would otherwise be answering Nigerian email scams and giving to every charity that calls them. :rolleyes:

Caveat Emptor

02-12-2009, 11:36 AM

IDrinkaRum

02-12-2009, 12:01 PM

She's actually set up a donation website. She's obviously an attention whore. And like I said in a thread I just started under "social woes," she'll GET donations, because there are enough morons out there who will sympthize with her.

I'm a mom ... I don't sympathize with her at all. I have a friend who had to go through in-vitro because of a combination of factors concerning her & her husband. They have a beautiful little girl who is 3 now. They're wanting another chld, and will have to do another round of IVFs.

As for the California taxpayers having to "help" with her "burden"? I say: She made her bed and now has to lie in it. She wanted the kids, she pays for them. F this.

Greenday

02-12-2009, 12:49 PM

Just so you know, it's already pointed out in the The Octoplet Mama thread in Clash of Cultures.

Mod Edit: I've merged them. One thread on this very specific case is plenty.

DesignFox

02-12-2009, 01:36 PM

Yea, if I were a California taxpayer, I'd be even more pissed off about this than I already am.

If she works double shifts and goes back to school just to have the money to throw at them, she won't be available for the emotional support she so condemns other parents for not providing. And that's if it was even possible. They estimate the cost for raising 14 kids at, what, 1.3 MILLION a year? Let's let the implications of this sink in. Double shifts at the shrink ain't earning you a million dollar salary.

Lady, you're already on food-stamps. Your disability payments have run out. You've already got three disabled kids. Now you added 8 more? Really? :mad:

Those children should be taken away while they are still babies and the effect won't be so traumatic. This woman cannot care for them.

IDrinkaRum

02-12-2009, 01:53 PM

DesignFox - I completely agree with you. She can't afford the kids, expects people to help her out 'cos it's her "God-given right" to have children and because she was able to get pregnant with all 8 embryos, she believes it takes a village (or in this case, a whole state of villages) to raise her children. Nope, no way. Take the children. They need to have responsible people taking care of them.

Dreamstalker

02-12-2009, 03:19 PM

also if she's on all kinds of government assistance, how was she able to afford all those procedures?!
That's why I call shenanigans on the part of the clinic (which I believe she was working for at the time this took place).

In-freaking-sane. I hope nobody is stupid enough to donate.

NightAngel

02-12-2009, 03:49 PM

Since I only have one tv channel right now we watch things we would normally never watch. Like Dr. Phil. I have to say though I thought his show on this yesterday was very interesting.

First off, Ms. Suleman was not on the show- her PR AGENT was. Now, Dr. Phil didn't ask but I'd like to know how she can afford a PR Agent? The woman didn't seem to be very good as all she could say to anything dr. Phil asked was that Nadia Suleman is, 'a good Christian woman who did not know this would happen. She only expect one or two like before.'
I told my hubby that either this woman sucks at PR or her heart wasn't anymore in it than the rest of America- a good Spin Doctor can sell even the worst ideas to a good number of people.

Even Kate Goselin (on Dr. Phil) said that she couldn't imagine Nadia Suleman's situation. They had a team of 50 people helping them at first, FIFTY, and those people all got worn out and went away. She also seemed to have misgivings about Ms. Suleman's mental health and worries about the very real possibility of what will happen when/if Post Partum depression hits.

Oh, she paid for the IVF from a court settlement she recieved. Her Mother is furious that she used the money for that instead of providing for the 6 she has or helping with the bills. Neither of which she does.

Anyhoo...

This is MY solution and yes, it is HARSH as so many things I actually think are.

1. The eight babies should be put up for adoption- no, I don't mean by choice.
2. Nadia Suleman should be forced to have surgery to prevent ever getting pregnant again.

To keep the kids she has:
3. She should HAVE to get ongoing therapy and be taught social and problem solving skills.
3a. She should HAVE to attend parenting classes.
4. She should HAVE to get a job- even if it is part time.
5. Her parents should be given temporary custody and assistance for raising the 6 original children until the time (when/if) their daughter is stable enough mentally and financially to raise them herself.
5a. Even if she is living with her parents the state should garnish her wages from #4 for Child Support to her parents.
6. She should have to finish her degree. Period.

I know some people won't like the "and assistance" part of #5 but here's my reasoning:
Her parents are old and their earning potential for these kids is not there. The Grandparents and the kids are, in my opinion, VICTIMS of Nadia Suleman. None of them asked for this and I think it would be a great disservice to the children's mental/emotional health to be removed from their grandparents who really DO love and care about them.

With six kids this family could be rehabilitated and turned around.
With 14 it will NEVER be right.

DesignFox

02-12-2009, 05:10 PM

<snip>
I know some people won't like the "and assistance" part of #5 but here's my reasoning:
Her parents are old and their earning potential for these kids is not there. The Grandparents and the kids are, in my opinion, VICTIMS of Nadia Suleman. None of them asked for this and I think it would be a great disservice to the children's mental/emotional health to be removed from their grandparents who really DO love and care about them.

With six kids this family could be rehabilitated and turned around.
With 14 it will NEVER be right.

I agree with this sentiment. The grandparents have been doing everything they can to care for those children and not be a drain on taxpayer resources. The assistance the mother has been getting should be taken away from her and given into their name since we know that in their case the money would be used for the right reasons.

Lace Neil Singer

02-12-2009, 07:55 PM

California taxpayers might have to pay for the woman's children and costs associated with them. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090211/ap_on_re_us/octuplets;_ylt=AiSGgv9PT3WuthtDOfmeoU1vzwcF)

This is incredibly disgusting considering the fact the state is already in debt and are asking bailout for help. Now this?

What should be done now?

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Deportation? Not here, we're suffering already with the recession. Someplace else where she might actually have to get off her fat arse and work for a living. I really doubt she has a bad back; people with bad backs don't deliberately get pregnant with eight babies. -.-

Oh, and she's begging for donations cuz she's not going to be getting any freebies from companies.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/

Puckishone

02-12-2009, 11:53 PM

Re: The number of embryos implanted during in vitro...

Because of the high costs (medical & physical) of the procedure, most reputable doctors will implant several at one time, depending on the age of the mother, to make sure that at least one will "take." The number varies, but is usually around 3-5 - which is why you hear so many stories about physician-assisted twins or triplets. :) For a woman her age to have delivered EIGHT babies implies strongly that one of the following things is true:

(1) The fertility doctor implanted a LOT of embryos - if they implant 3-5 in the hopes of getting 1, we can extrapolate that out to a ballpark of (are you sitting down?) 20-25 that probably went into this woman to produce those 8 babies.

or

(2) This woman's uterus should be used to grow crops for the starving, because it's clearly the most fertile land on the planet.

And as for the PR person, I can almost guarantee you that it's a fellow bottom-feeder working for her gratis to get her own mug famous for 15 minutes.

I'm not a doctor, but what this sounds like to me is a bizarre manifestation of hording behavior - you know, where people become fixated with collecting things they either don't need, can't use, or (when it's a living thing) can't care for. I think that this woman is hording children instead of cats or yesterday's garbage. She obviously needs help, but what needs to happen even more is those kids need to be placed with families that are able to care for them properly. Just because we have the right to have as many kids as we like doesn't mean we can responsibly do so, mental issues or not. When, like Rum said, you start to cut the Duggar family some slack, you know you're up against something quite major.

IDrinkaRum

02-12-2009, 11:58 PM

Nadya Suleman trying to be like Angelina Jolie? (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2009/02/angelina-jolie.html)

People who know Nadya Suleman have said she's gotten work done on her face to look more like Angelina Jolie.

As the article suggests: Maybe Brangelina could adopt at least some of the Suleman octuplets.

Peppergirl

02-13-2009, 01:02 AM

IDrinkaRum

02-13-2009, 02:53 AM

The Octuplet Doctor is at it again! (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/02/the-beverly-hil.html)

Now he really needs his license revoked. WTF is this guy thinking?

The newest patient is 5 months pregnant, on complete bed rest in the hospital, also has no insurance and is 49 years old. She already has 3 grown children from her first marriage, but her second husband is in his 30's doesn't have children & she wanted to have children with him.

Get this man out of medicine. STAT! :mad:

Greenday

02-13-2009, 03:31 AM

Hm, I could actually see criminal charges developing. Completely a case of negligence by the doctor, putting people in harms way...

DesignFox

02-13-2009, 04:14 AM

I think the state of California should sue this *censored*. Fuck this guy. Just *rant rant* And the AUDACITY of these people to even SEEK these procedures when they are UNINSURED and UNEMPLOYED...... GAH. *head explodes*

This situation just infuriates me. :mad:

crashhelmet

02-13-2009, 04:30 AM

I don't know if it's been mentioned in any of the articles or not. I gave up on reading articles about this whack job a while ago.

I'm wondering if this isn't a part of some sort of welfare/SSI scam. The more babies she pops out, the more she can collect from the state. Her parents would be the ones that are supposed to get it since they care for the kids, but how much does she get? How much of a cut does the doctor get?

If these were all natural conceptions and she was pro-Life for whatever reasons, i'd give her that. But for them all to be IVF? Don't tie her tubes. Rip them out and strangle her with them.

CH

IDrinkaRum

02-13-2009, 03:05 PM

Nadya Suleman is now receiving death threats via her website. (http://news.aol.com/article/octuplets-mom-no-one-can-care-for-14/334503)

Can't say I'm not surprised by this. She's heard what people are saying. Did she really thing people would welcome the chance to help support her baby addiction?

Boozy

02-13-2009, 10:31 PM

Death threats?

I may not approve of her life choices, but wishing death on someone is quite another matter.

I understand the outrage, but some people need to get a grip. They should also be arrested.

IDrinkaRum

02-13-2009, 10:47 PM

I'm not saying those who are threatening her with death are right. I just said I'm not surprised that there are people out there who would threaten something like that. They're as nutty as the octuplet woman is.

tropicsgoddess

02-15-2009, 04:10 AM

I'm not sure to think if Nadya Suleman is a nutjob or another leech to the system. But in all seriousness, the doctor should've only done one or no more IVF treatments. I can understand if she took drugs that did that to her, but it's different when a doctor and his patient CHOOSE to have multiple embryos conceived at once, especially after she's already had SIX children from that same IVF procedure. She needs to get off her ass and work and at least have those kids out for adoption. Can we say Brangelina?

IDrinkaRum

02-19-2009, 04:37 PM

The Grandmother's house may be going into foreclosure soon (http://news.aol.com/article/octuplets-grandmother/345250)

Do you feel sorry for the Grandma? Now what is going to happen to all those people?

I feel sorry for the Grandmother. She's 62. She has to help with the 6 children at least as Nadya Suleman is off traipsing to the hosptial to sit with her 8 other babies.

blas87

02-20-2009, 02:12 AM

I hope all of those babies are taken away and given to good parents who will actually care for them and are financially stable enough to care for children.

AFPheonix

02-20-2009, 03:18 AM

I'll frankly be surprised if all of them survive. Some of them still looked downright fetal.

IDrinkaRum

02-20-2009, 12:54 PM

The Grandpa of the 14 children will be on Oprah Feb. 24 - he says they need money and to please donate (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20090220/en_top_eo/100801)

He also acknowledges that his daughter needs help mentally.

IDrinkaRum

02-25-2009, 02:18 PM

Nadya Suleman fears the hospital where the 8 babies are at will not be giving her them after all (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_en_tv/octuplets_dr_phil)

Nadya Suleman has taped 2 episodes on the Dr. Phil show. She's also called Dr. Phil and told him that unless she can prove she can provide adequately for the care of her octuplets, the hospital is prepared not to give them to her.

blas87

02-25-2009, 04:05 PM

Good. Let's hope the hospital WON'T give them to her, and finds them good families who can actually provide for them.

Sylvia727

02-25-2009, 05:55 PM

Seconded, but I'll amend that to "a good family" or possibly "two good families" as I think siblings should be kept as much together as possible.

Flyndaran

02-27-2009, 05:59 PM

I bet she eventually gets them especially as gullible idiots throw money at her feeding her narcisistic user personality.

IDrinkaRum

03-04-2009, 02:59 AM

Article in Newsweek saying we're wrong for feeling the way we do about the OctoMom (http://www.newsweek.com/id/187344?GT1=43002)

Is the article correct or is the writer just full of it?

Lace Neil Singer

03-04-2009, 11:30 AM

Full of it. If they love Octomum so much, then they can fork out for her costs.

IDrinkaRum

03-04-2009, 02:04 PM

I completely agree with you LNS. :) I was just like: "You know, this reporter is full of stuff", but you might never know ...

DesignFox

03-04-2009, 05:43 PM

Calling this bottom dweller "octomom" keeps making me think of an octopus...which is funny because even the writer uses that pun... and even funnier when you look at the crazy face Nadya is making in the picture. *snicker*

All cruel joking aside, I can kinda see what the writer is saying- that our morbid fascination with watching a train wreck has created monsters like this. If we just didn't pay attention, people wouldn't go out of their way to shock us.

I disagree with the sentiment, mostly because the examples stated have nothing in common with Nadya Suleman and her doctor's bad decisions.

Angelina Jolie can afford to have as many kids as she wants. She can go ahead an adopt an entire third world country for all I care- she's paying for it, not the tax payers.

The bank bail-out? I won't get started on those *censored* but I believe the idea behind that was to help a variety of people- not more heavily burden them (whether or not this has occurred is highly debatable).

And comparing Suleman to the Duggars or John and Kate? Well, Suleman didn't WANT a TV show. So, NO she didn't intend to pay the bills that way.

ALSO- I don't think John and Kate INTENDED to have 6 kids at once- not to mention the fact that they had only TWO at the time they were undergoing treatment. As for the Duggars, so far as I know, they have done things the natural way. So, those two families do not even COMPARE to Suleman's.

I call Bullshit. With a capital B.

Lace Neil Singer

03-04-2009, 09:12 PM

Not to mention the point given earlier in the thread; the Duggars do at least pay their way, and don't rely on government hand outs.

AdminAssistant

03-04-2009, 11:20 PM

Not to mention the point given earlier in the thread; the Duggars do at least pay their way...

The Duggars are given considerable support from their church - I think the husband is a preacher or deacon or somesuch. I don't watch the show, partially because I don't get that channel, partially because I've known about them for years (Arkansas native). Ugh, Northwest Arkansas......

IDrinkaRum

03-05-2009, 06:36 PM

Rental 4-room house for the new mom and oh yeah, she can't keep at least a set of twins under control - one even hit her! (http://news.aol.com/article/octuplet-mom-finds-house/367224)

Boozy

03-06-2009, 01:00 PM

Article in Newsweek saying we're wrong for feeling the way we do about the OctoMom (http://www.newsweek.com/id/187344?GT1=43002)

Is the article correct or is the writer just full of it?

I don't know that people are necessarily wrong for feeling the way they do, but I will say that I think it's crazy that people feel as strongly as they do.

Why all this vitriol directed at one mentally-imbalanced woman? There are probably millions of people doing worse things to the world on a daily basis. Why does everyone despise her so much? Why does she get all the outrage when the world is full of corrupt politicians, corporate polluters, ruthless dictators, and plain-old murderers?

Lace Neil Singer

03-06-2009, 01:03 PM

Probably cuz they don't court the spotlight and crave attention, like she obviously does. She wanted attention; now she's got it; if it's bad, then tough; she brought it on herself.

MystyGlyttyr

03-06-2009, 09:43 PM

1. Every time I see her, that woman looks freakier and freakier. Is it just me or are the pictures actually getting weirder?

2. The only reason this bothers me to any degree is because now IVF and multiples and big families are becoming some kind of freaking issue. And that's affecting members of my family because of my nieces, who are triplets. And for those people on the street and in stores who start looking down their noses at my cousins for "having all those kids", the girls were NATURAL triplets. They were my cousin's first pregnancy, within six months of her and her husband even trying to get pregnant, after she came off birth control, and they're even FRATERNAL. The odds were not quite astronomically high, but they were still pretty damn high.

Up until a couple of months ago, there wasn't any real issue aside from the general curious onlookers and the like. But since this mother has become a national scandel, the tone for multiples is starting to get a little uglier. No one has said anything flat out yet, but there's a lot of snickering behind hands and whispering and pointing whenever the girls are out with their parents. I'm kinda looking forward to the day someone finally gets overt with it so I can smash them into the tile without consternation.

Then again, I suppose it's just like so many other things in life...things are going great until one asshole comes along and ruins it for all the rest of us who weren't doing anything wrong.

DesignFox

03-07-2009, 07:15 PM

Well Mysty, those people deserve a swat to the head. I wouldn't raise an eyebrow at someone with triplets- they happen often enough. (well I might raise an eyebrow, but not in a condescending way! I'd just be intensely curious about the little cuties)

I have met multiple mothers of twins and triplets. Hell, I've met a good number of huge families in my time (I worked in a photo studio for a couple of years, in an area with a large Hasidic population- in their religious culture large families are encouraged. And I've met many families with 5 or even 11 children!)

While I personally don't want or necessarily agree with people having that many kids, in my mind it's none of my business as long as the children are healthy and the whole family unit is well cared/provided for (and not solely on my dime).

My problem with this situation is this woman's BALLS to use IVF as a means of reproduction when she clearly hasn't got the means to support her children.

I'm sorry. If you can't support yourself and/or any existing children, the last thing you should be doing is getting implanted with are more potential kids. Especially aiming for multiples.

Oopsies happen in nature. But if you're incapable of having children, AND are on public support ALREADY you shouldn't be seeking outside methods of fertility. Even if you are naturally fruitful, you should be responsible and try to prevent pregnancy if you're already on public assistance- nothing is 100% failproof, though- so in that case I might be sympathetic.

Sorry I think I rambled. :o

I see your point Mysty, and it is a shame that people can't reserve their thoughts, anger, or whatever to the one person who deserves it- Nadya Suleman.

lordlundar

03-19-2009, 03:20 AM

So now she's being swarmed by paparazzi to the point of having to phone the police.

She wanted lots of attention, now she has it. Too bad it's more than she wants and can't handle it. Sucks for the kids though.

muses_nightmare

03-27-2009, 07:09 PM

I don't agree with her choice to have that many kids, but I will say that I feel bad for her. Especially with the way the paparazzi are behaving. It's ridiculous. These photographers are dangerous. I was watching some entertainment news program (ET maybe? I can't remember) and they were literally banging on the windows of the vehicle she was taking home two of the newborns in. They were practically pushing down her garage door, no matter what she's done, she doesn't deserve that and those paparazzi should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

lordlundar

03-28-2009, 04:03 PM

I won't argue the way the paparazzi was acting was beyond ridiculous, but you have to remember that she is an attention seeker. She seems more intent on getting air time than tending to the children. What's going to happen when the flair of the story goes away and so does the media? I'd put good money that she'll do another stupid stunt to get the cameras on her again.

I feel bad for her children and maybe her husband. Her? Not so much.

muses_nightmare

03-28-2009, 07:16 PM

I thought she wasn't married? Or is this a new development? I was half-assed watching some talk show with her on it and she was saying that no one would be making a big deal out of this if she wasn't single.

I don't know, I don't see her as particularly attention seeking, which sounds odd considering the amount of attention she's recieving. But she does genuinely seem to want to take care of her children(given I'm only basing this on interviews from TV that I've seen randomly, I don't really follow the story), and I do hope this is the case.

I think she has a mental problem though, or more than one. I'm one to say she needs help for that more than that she "deserves" what she gets. I'm sorry but death threats because someone has 14 children, even if they can't afford it and are on government assistance, is going overboard, and I think the people that are sending these threats deserve to be prosecuted for it. Just because the majority of people disagree with someone someone in the media has done doesn't mean they should be able to threaten that person without anything being said.

kiwi

03-31-2009, 04:36 PM

I feel very sorry for her, I honestly believe she is mentally unstable and that her ivf doctor (not her regular one but the quack she went to after he refused) should be held accountable for not refusing her as well.
As much as people detest her situation I wish they would focus on her poor children and not her.

IDrinkaRum

10-20-2009, 11:45 AM

Octomom's Doctor has been kicked out of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine; this was effective last month (http://news.aol.com/article/octomoms-doctor-michael-kamrav-expelled/590110?icid=main|aimzones|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fn ews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Foctomoms-doctor-michael-kamrav-expelled%2F590110)

Fryk

10-20-2009, 01:16 PM

Flyndaran

10-21-2009, 06:51 PM

No one's talked about this yet, but I read on Wikipedia that her grandfather, the husband of her grandmother had to LEAVE HIS WIFE and go to Iraq to work to support her kids. I can only imagine how awkward dropping of the kids at mom's must be. This woman was serparated from her husband by her selfish daughter who then shows up to drop the kids off while she works. If I were the grandmother, I would never stop slapping her.

I abhor violence, but if ever there were a woman deserving of a day of constant slapping followed by intensive therapy it's that woman.
I'm just surprised that she isn't so obviously incompetent that her kids were removed as a matter of course.
I'm an atheist, so I don't pray, but I will hope that the kids will grow up sane.

IDrinkaRum

12-27-2010, 01:33 PM

Looks like Nadya Suleman is going to be evicted from her house that she has been living in for the past 2 years (http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/27/octomom-nadya-suleman-faces-eviction-from-california-home/?icid=main%7Caim%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%7C192186)

Supposedly, there was a payment of $450,000 was due on October 9 (if I'm reading the article correctly) which was not made, and therefore, the person who sold the house to Ms. Suleman is going ahead with eviction.

Lace Neil Singer

12-27-2010, 01:37 PM

For the kids' sake, they ought to be at least fostered out. This woman is barely able to look after herself, let alone her kids.

lordlundar

12-27-2010, 04:31 PM

She was counting on her pseudo-celebrity status to pay for everything, but no one really gives a damn anymore. Her fifteen minutes of fame dried up some time ago and now she has to face reality.

Eisa

12-27-2010, 10:12 PM

Wow. $450K? :eek: How far behind WAS she?

I also think the kids should be fostered out...the only problem is that they really can't be fostered out together, there's too many. :( And it sucks to split families up like that. :(

Boozy

12-27-2010, 11:14 PM

She was counting on her pseudo-celebrity status to pay for everything, but no one really gives a damn anymore. Her fifteen minutes of fame dried up some time ago and now she has to face reality.

Actually, she has steadfastly refused to use her children to make money. She has rejected all offers of reality shows featuring her kids, which would have covered the bills.

Which is more than the Duggars have done.

Mongo Skruddgemire

12-28-2010, 07:23 AM

Right now this is not about the fact that she has 14 kids. This is not about the fact that her doctor exercised what many consider to be poor judgement.

This is about her being in a contract to buy a house at a set price and not paying it. Plain and simple.

If she couldn't have afforded the house, she shouldn't have bought it in the first place. If she could afford the house and just couldn't be arsed to play (perhaps thinking that because she pushed 14 kids out of her nethers, people would give her the world on a silver platter), then she is worth even less of my pity since she's the one who decided not to pay.

In either case..."tough shit, chew harder" Nadia.

Mytical

12-28-2010, 11:05 AM

While I do think that the woman has mental issues, I can't say that I wish her not to receive help. Not for her sake mind, but for the children. They did absolutely nothing to deserve to starve, go without clothing, etc. I agree that adoption would be preferred to her getting hand outs, but if hand outs are the only way those children get what they need..I can not begrudge them that.

I guess I have a slightly different take on things, because I came from a large and poor family. Sure we never took handouts, but between the two of them (depending on who you ask) they had 10-14 children (four we are not sure if they are my fathers or not..). A lot of people had it worse though.

We had a roof (though sometimes leaky and drafty), some don't. Both of my parents were around (some don't have both..or any)...and we were never physically abused. Oops sorry STS got me there..back to what I was saying.

So while the octomom can go sit and spin for all I care, the children at least are innocent.

Skelly

12-28-2010, 11:08 AM

Actually, she has steadfastly refused to use her children to make money. She has rejected all offers of reality shows featuring her kids, which would have covered the bills.

Which is more than the Duggars have done.

Huh? Wiki (yeah, I know) states On April 16, 2009, Suleman revealed she has struck a deal for a reality TV show in the UK, though the Hollywood Reporter said some U.S. networks were reluctant to pick up the show.[40] Suleman signed an agreement with the Los Angeles Superior Court on July 24 to have each of her children earn $250 a day to star in a reality show; filming was set to begin on September 1. Seems like she planned doing it, only to have it shot down by TV executives who felt that people might have the sense not to watch this train wreck...

Mongo Skruddgemire

12-28-2010, 11:33 AM

Huh? Wiki (yeah, I know) states . Seems like she planned doing it, only to have it shot down by TV executives who felt that people might have the sense not to watch this train wreck...

The interesting thing about Wiki is that while it is a poor source for information in of itself, it is a valuable tool for finding other sources that are more reliable. Newspaper articles for example.

Your quote from Wiki had one such reference link.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6727995.ece

Yeah, there's money somewhere. Question is where and why couldn't she be bothered to pay for her house.

Unless it's part of the mentality that the world owes her her life simply because she has more kids than "the old woman in the shoe".

No sympathy for her. Her children yes. Her...none from me.

She made her bed, let's see if 14 kids will let her sleep in it.

Mytical

12-28-2010, 11:35 AM

No sympathy for her. Her children yes. Her...none from me.

She made her bed, let's see if 14 kids will let her sleep in it.

This, this is epic I give it a thumbs up. No..two thumbs up.

Skelly

12-28-2010, 02:06 PM

The interesting thing about Wiki is that while it is a poor source for information in of itself, it is a valuable tool for finding other sources that are more reliable. Newspaper articles for example.

Your quote from Wiki had one such reference link.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6727995.ece

Yeah, there's money somewhere. Question is where and why couldn't she be bothered to pay for her house.

Unless it's part of the mentality that the world owes her her life simply because she has more kids than "the old woman in the shoe".

No sympathy for her. Her children yes. Her...none from me.

She made her bed, let's see if 14 kids will let her sleep in it.
The really good thing about Wikipedia is that anyone can edit. This is also the really bad thing about it...

blas87

12-28-2010, 04:51 PM

There was at least one (I'm sure there were more) hour or longer special about her and the babies, which I'm sure came with fattie checks.

I wanted to kill her, watching her babble on and on about herself while all of those babies rolled around off the blankets and onto the grass and cried and cried.

Dreamstalker

12-30-2010, 11:20 PM

I don't doubt that her only means of support is the $$$$$ from the show. All the multiple-birth look-at-me shows need to go away.

AdminAssistant

12-31-2010, 12:00 AM

All the multiple-birth look-at-me shows need to go away.

Amen!

And they would if they would amend child labor laws. Depending on age, a child in a scripted show can only be on camera for 30 minutes to a few hours (this is why so many shows use twins). However, make it "reality" tv and the kiddies get to have camera people, the lighting guy, and the sound guy all up in their space 24/7. It's not right.

Besides, I don't believe in rewarding people for successfully completing a biological process.

anakhouri

12-31-2010, 02:20 AM

Human beings are not meant to have litters. :rolleyes:

I hope she gets enough money to take care of her kids, for their sakes and not hers (although, it would also be nice if she got help for her obvious mental issues). If there is a TV show, I won't watch it.

Skelly

12-31-2010, 07:38 PM

Amen!

And they would if they would amend child labor laws. Depending on age, a child in a scripted show can only be on camera for 30 minutes to a few hours (this is why so many shows use twins). However, make it "reality" tv and the kiddies get to have camera people, the lighting guy, and the sound guy all up in their space 24/7. It's not right.

Besides, I don't believe in rewarding people for successfully completing a biological process.
This. Also, beyond the issue of having a camera crew in your face around the clock at a young age...I'd hate my parents now as an adult had they let everyone (ie viewers) get that close to me at an age when I didn't know to tell the camera crew to fuck off and die. Remembering all the embarrassing shit I did and said at that age, I wouldn't want the entire fucking world to know about it.