Race Cars vs. Muscle Cars

[protege]

...but now instead of being a $200 piece of shit.... it's now a $200 piece of shit with $5,000 rims on it

I never understood that line of thinking. Why would someone do that? Wouldn't it be better to buy a better car for that $5,200, or at least do some engine mods to it?

I can't really dis "unrestored" cars though. At the recent Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, there were a few still in "as found" condition. That is, they were running, but rough. I like looking at cars like this, mainly because they haven't been "over-restored" or otherwise messed with. It's easier, to see how the car *should* be, rather than how someone did it.

[Greenday]

Here's something else I've noticed. Locally,plenty of idiots are buying cars from the junkyard, and attempting to "fix them up." What's funny, is that the rims on those heaps cost multiple times what the car did. No matter what they do to it, it's still a piece of shit

I HATE seeing POS cars with spinners and crap like that. It DOESN'T make your car any cooler.

[protege]

Here's something else I've noticed. Locally,plenty of idiots are buying cars from the junkyard, and attempting to "fix them up." What's funny, is that the rims on those heaps cost multiple times what the car did. No matter what they do to it, it's still a piece of shit

[Greenday]

That's why I like sleepers. You never know what's under the hood--all of those idiots with the riced-out Cavaliers, Hondas, and other economy cars are missing the point. Besides, we already know that they don't have balls, so why try to deny it with a massive Type-R sticker on your vehicle?

Hey! Don't knock my Cavvy that has its Z24 sticker on the front window where the tint to block out the sun is! At least you didn't mention the whaletail...

Seriously though, I'd like to swap out the 2.4 L 4-cylinder engine (the biggest a Z24 Cavalier comes with) for a bigger 6-cylinder engine. Maybe add a turbocharger and a couple other accessories...

[protege]

I've always liked fast cars and I think the biggest reason muscle cars were so popular was that they were cheap.

That...and they were readily accessible at any dealership. Around here though, the vast majority of people who own current muscle cars...are posers. They'll rev their engines at every stop sign and traffic light, yet stall out when they attempt to chirp the tires. They don't realize that all they're doing is drawing attention to themselves...which isn't lost on the police. They just *love* busting people for that

That's why I like sleepers. You never know what's under the hood--all of those idiots with the riced-out Cavaliers, Hondas, and other economy cars are missing the point. Besides, we already know that they don't have balls, so why try to deny it with a massive Type-R sticker on your vehicle?

[Tanasi]

I still don't see why you'd *need* that much horsepower. Unless you're running a locomotive or something...all it does is give bragging rights. Locally, cops just *love* nailing high-powered cars--you might as well paint a bullseye on it

Since when did *need* have anything to do with it, my flatbed truck isn't fast, drinks lots of fuel but it also has lots of horse power will pull the hinges of of hadesl. It mostly has to do with how the vehicle is geared, I have a friend that has a bug-eyed Sprite that will run circles around most other cars but the way it's geared you couldn't drag a greasy string with it.
I have a 1971 Ford Ranchero with a Super Cobra Jet 460ci of rip roaring hell raising fury. As I got it, it would produce around 590+ hp now that I've completely rebuilt and balanced it, it produces around 700hp and when I added the super charger I'm getting aroun 900+. Danged thing about it, it the rear end doesn't weight anything so I can't transfer the power from the rear tires to the ground and I just set there and spin, but when I four-linked the rear end and added about 300# of weight, oh boy you better have your mouth closed when you launch.
I've always liked fast cars and I think the biggest reason muscle cars were so popular was that they were cheap. Sports cars are expensive and bubbas don't look right in one. I guess that's why the Good Lord makes all kinds of different cars no two persons are alike.

[Greenday]

So what does that make a supercharged Z06 Corvette?

Speaking of people who buy high powered motorcycles without know what they are doing, I saw some moron crash on not too long ago. He was just make a left turn and cranked the throttle up really high mid-turn. Totally wiped out. Gotta learn how to ride before getting on the big-kid vehicles.

[protege]

I still don't see why you'd *need* that much horsepower. Unless you're running a locomotive or something...all it does is give bragging rights. Locally, cops just *love* nailing high-powered cars--you might as well paint a bullseye on it

[Tanasi]

I'm not really a fan of the newer ones--give me a 1964 1/2 to 1967 with the 289, and I'd be happy

I have a 66 Fastback with a 289HP.


My opinion in the matter is: You can have horsepower in the thousands but it doesn't mean squat if you can't put it to the ground. You might look cool setting there and spinning your tires but unless you're moving forwards you're going to loose that race.

[AFPheonix]

It's just like the dumb kids who get their motorcycle endorsement and their first bike out is a 800cc race bike or some such instead of a smarter, smaller one. They roll on the throttle, get scared of how fast it goes, curl into the fetal position (which only rolls the throttle more), and end up in the side of a building. I see it pretty often, really.

[protege]

It's not that they're hard to handle...but if a newly-licensed driver gets one, it usually gets wrecked. Too much power, not enough experience...not all of them of course, but locally, many Mustang owners drive like idiots

I'm not really a fan of the newer ones--give me a 1964 1/2 to 1967 with the 289, and I'd be happy

[Hemily]

the 5.0 came out of a Mustang that was written off. Again, pretty common...considering that kids buy those cars and can't handle them.

Mustangs are that hard to handle? o.O

i used to have a V6 version of a '78 Mustang II, that car actually handled... just had crap tires, right now, i'm restoring a V6 '79 Mustang Ghia (foxbody) it'll be getting a 302 (5.0 litre) with injection, and maybe turbo eventually, this one has even more potential to be grippy than the Mustang II.

I've only tried the 5.0 in my dad's '90 Bronco, ain't that fast... but it's a 4x4

[protege]

Sleepers are awesome! i'm building one myself.. a 1980 Buick Century Estate Wagon, with a Camaro V8 engine, only 300hp so far, but i have to do up the suspension, brakes and such, before doing more to it.

Yep, I like the sleepers. One of my long-term model projects...was to drop a V10 from a Dodge Ram pickup, into a little Dodge D50. This one I'd actually like to do full-size. The V10 will fit, but it's a seriously tight squeeze--both inner fenders need modified, and at least one chassis cross-member had to be moved. Another fun project, was stuffing a Chevy V8 into a Datsun 510. Thank God it's a model--the 510's engine compartment is tiny. Just modifying the firewall meant that the footwells would have been seriously cramped...enough to make the car uncomfortable.

As for V8 Volvo's, they're fairly common here, usually in a 240 or a 740, even 940, but Ford engine's the first time i've heard, it's usually Chevy engines

Chevy engines are pretty common in street rods. Apparently, the 5.0 came out of a Mustang that was written off. Again, pretty common...considering that kids buy those cars and can't handle them.

[Greenday]

I always wanted to put a V8 with a supercharger under my Cavalier's hood. People would look at it and say, "Oh, look, a riced out Cavalier...wait, where the hell did it go?" That'd be a hell of a surprise on the track to go up against a car that should be a 4-banger but has a V8 instead.

[Hemily]

the ultimate have to be the sleepers. You know, cars that look like they can't go fast...but do. Locally, there's a Volvo 780 coupe, that someone's dropped a Mustang 5.0 V8 into. From the outside, the car looks completely stock. What would be better, is an old 240-series Volvo with the same treatment. Keep it some boring color, like beige...but with all the mechanical goodies

sorry to bump a thread that seems a bit older, but i felt like contributing to this thread


Sleepers are awesome! i'm building one myself.. a 1980 Buick Century Estate Wagon, with a Camaro V8 engine, only 300hp so far, but i have to do up the suspension, brakes and such, before doing more to it.

As for V8 Volvo's, they're fairly common here, usually in a 240 or a 740, even 940, but Ford engine's the first time i've heard, it's usually Chevy engines, 305, 327 and 350, i know a local 240 wagon, nicknamed Chevolvo, has a Corvette engine, and a manual transmission, it was a bit strange to be passed by it