Ohio Legislature Working on a very Restrictive Abortion Law

[BlaqueKatt]

1) Thankfully, that whole "several abortions a year" thing has proven to be an urban myth when actually studied. Yea for sociology studies.

are you sure about that?

[Andara Bledin]

My mother had a full period for the first month of both her pregnancy with me as well as with my brother.

^-.-^

[HYHYBT]

The heart starts beating at approximately one month after fertilization; the woman may not have even noticed more than a delayed period at that time...

Often not even that; a lot of women have irregular periods.

[blas87]

That's an extremely restrictive law, considering the extremist Pro Life bullshit propoganda on every damn billboard in this god forsaken land of cheese and hillbillies declares that the heart starts beating 18-21 days after conception (I forget which day it is, one sign says something happens at 18 days, another says something happens at 21 days).

Yeah, no way.

It's bad enough that they make women listen to the heartbeat before they can make their decision.

I am no fan of abortion, but this goes too far. If a woman wants an abortion, let's just rub some salt in that wound, listen to that heartbeat, how can you do that to an innocent baby, even though you were roofied and raped by a total stranger? How DARE you want to abort that fetus that's 24 days old because you already have 3 kids and they won't let you get your tubes tied and you can barely afford to feed the kids you have?

Sickening.

[Greenday]

1) Thankfully, that whole "several abortions a year" thing has proven to be an urban myth when actually studied. Yea for sociology studies.

Do you actually have studies to back that up?

Just kidding, I've seen similar studies.

[Ghel]

I read about this on Pharyngula. PZ talked about how the nutjob anti-abortionists brought in two pregnant women to have their fetuses "testify" via ultrasound on behalf of the legislation.

But even if they do get a nice image of a curled, fishlike embryo that is maybe a tenth as sharp as the worst images of zebrafish embryos that I see in my low-power dissecting scope, so what? It's not testifying. It's twitching. You'd get a more intelligent response if you dragged a cow in front of the committee and asked it to moo against slaughterhouses.

And the bill is ridiculous. They want to prohibit all abortions of embryos that have a detectable heartbeat…but 1) heartbeat isn't a valid measure of personhood, and 2) pragmatically, it shuts down almost all abortions. The heart starts beating at approximately one month after fertilization; the woman may not have even noticed more than a delayed period at that time, and the early symptoms of some water retention and possibly morning sickness are unreliable. There will be many women who are responsible and want to end a pregnancy as early as possible who will be denied a first trimester abortion because it was too late when they were diagnosed!

I'm glad the legislation is getting shut down (per the links in the OP) no matter the reason. Hopefully, if the citizens of Ohio have more time to think about it, they'll realize what a horrible piece of legislation this is.

[FArchivist]

I think people that need several a year because they "can't" take the pill or remember to use condoms should just be fixed.

1) Thankfully, that whole "several abortions a year" thing has proven to be an urban myth when actually studied. Yea for sociology studies.
2) I am uncomfortable with that "should just be fixed" because it smacks of eugenics.

[insertNameHere]

As long as abortion isn't the only form of birth control a person is using, I don't really have a problem with it, as mistakes happen. I think people that need several a year because they "can't" take the pill or remember to use condoms should just be fixed. There are already plenty of neglected and unwanted children in our society today. If someone feels it would be better off to terminate an unwanted pregnancy rather than have a child they will neglect or be unable to care for, when I have children I want to be able to provide for them and not need to worry. Right, neither me or my gf can afford to live on our own and support ourselves, if we were to have a baby it wouldn't work out.

Then you have the "well jsut give it up for adoption" people, sure you might find a family that wants it but what about rape? Should someone need to carry around a constant reminder for 9 months?

It never ceases to amuse me the people who judge others for making choices that are best for them that the judges rarely have been in the same position of needing to make that decision.

[Greenday]

Yeah, that's a problem... chances are reasonable that you won't even know you *are* pregnant before then!

And even if you manage to figure it out before then, they'll do all sorts of stuff to make you wait to get one until it's too late to get one performed.

I see this guys game though. He wants to please the people who voted him in. But if he waits until the world is over (Dec 2012), it won't affect anyone!

[HYHYBT]

Yeah, that's a problem... chances are reasonable that you won't even know you *are* pregnant before then!

[guywithashovel]

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...cold-feet.html

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live...litics&sid=101

Basically, this law would make abortion illegal if a heartbeat can be detected in the fetus.

From article

House Bill 125 would outlaw abortions after a fetal heartbeat can be medically detected, generally about six or seven weeks into a woman's pregnancy.

If my newspaper is a good resource, this law would be the most restrictive abortion law in the nation if passed. Even pro-life groups are skittish about it, but it's because they are concerned that it will go against Roe v Wade and get overturned, not because they don't support the concept of the bill.