Twilight!

[Greenday]

You have to be kidding me.....poorly written, extremely lame......

Hey, just like what we're bitching about now!

Power Rangers were good!

[blas87]

You have to be kidding me.....poorly written, extremely lame......

Hey, just like what we're bitching about now!

[jackfaire]

My generation had the freaking Power Rangers......I think it'd be better to be a kid now and have Twilight.

Hey the Power Rangers were awesome (Just the first ones)

[blas87]

My generation had the freaking Power Rangers......I think it'd be better to be a kid now and have Twilight.

[jackfaire]

Twilight will be the thing that decades from now they are sitting around the table with family and friends enjoying thanksgiving dinner and someone will say "remember when" and they will laugh and smile

[Boozy]

That's very cute that teenagers think that their generation will be remembered for the dumb shit they're doing now. Teens don't understand that the things they do and like in high school will a) be forgotten in several years, and b) usually don't matter in the greater scheme of things.

I'm not going to write off a whole generation just because they're stupid teenagers at the moment. They are more likely to be remembered for something like being the first generation to have little robots injected into their bodies, or computer chips implanted behind their eyes.

[Nyoibo]

So I was reading FML and the one at the top of the list just now...

"Today, I realized that our generation will be remembered as the kids who liked sparkly vampires. FML"

I cracked up.

[tropicsgoddess]

And I'm mostly embarrassed that my nephew, 17, is going to see New Moon on Friday because he's just DYING to see it and he's a stupid enough fuck to go alone even after finding out his friend and friend's sister won't be able to go as well. At least if they went, it'd look like the sister dragged them to it. I'd like to clock him nice and hard with a clue-by-four for telling me "It takes a real man to admit he likes Twilight" when I told him he should check his manhood in at the theater door.

I'm pissed off at his friends' idiot mother who let her daughter read this shit because it has "Such a wonderful abstinence message and it's clean, wholesome reading" because if she hadn't, the stupid prude wouldn't have gotten her brother and, in turn, my nephew, turned on to this tripe.

Stephenie Meyer, go play in traffic.

I think your nephew may need to have his man pass suspended or even revoked for that.

[LadyBarbossa]

Yes, for those of you wondering why I read something I find repulsive, it is for the purpose of being able to have a valid argument as to why I dislike it. I find it incredibly unfair and ignorant for people to bleat about how much they hate something or squeal that 'It sucks' when they know nothing about it.

That being said, I find it saddening to hear more and more reports of high school and even college English professors are devoting entire classes to Twilight, especially given Mrs. Meyers' gross misuse and abuse of the English language in her books.

As for getting into a heated debate over Twilight, I figured that was the purpose of the Fratching forums

Seriously, if I have to see Twilight ads on 90% of websites I open, have it glare at me from magazine racks, store displays, and hear it mentioned on every news program I listen to no matter the time of day, there's no reason I can't state my disgust for the series how how we are being forced to deep throat it at every possible turn. I don't look for things to hate, but when it manifests itself in my daily life like a severe cockroach infestation, I have to say something. As for the 'TwilightSucks' forums, I will agree that's taking things too far. I've perused them before and it disappoints me that the attitude and behavior displayed by a majority of members there is often ruder and more out of hands that the rabid fans of the series itself.

[jackfaire]

This is my opinion

Reading Twilight because you like it okay fine.

Telling me that you now want a boyfriend who is, (insert list of stalker tendencies here)

I understand things like this screw with expectations etc The problem comes when no one is then educating these people about the difference between fiction and what is good behavior and what is bad behavior.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Read my post; maybe she feels she needs to read it just to cry down all the diehards who say that if you haven't read it, then you can't comment.

I see it as Marmite. Love it, or hate it, there is no middle ground. However, I am yet to see a fan of Marmite start attacking or screaming at someone who hates the stuff. O_o

[Boozy]

I'm in the midst of finishing my read of New Moon...

Why are you reading something you so despise?

I don't understand the campaign against these books. For example, I followed someone's link to some sort of anti-Twilight forum, and I was amused at the mulit-page diatribes being posted there.

Methinks they doth protest too much, if you get my meaning. No one spends that much time and energy deconstructing something they profess to hate. They aren't fighting human rights violations or pediatric cancer. These are just some books they claim they don't care for.

[the_std]

It sounds like Twilight has become one of the most ultimately divisive pop-culture icons of this decade. You're either for it (and a brain-dead, trend-following Meyer zombie) or against it (and a elitist snob with too much time on their hands), and it is "us" versus "them". When I see people debating for or against Twilight, I see a lot of "this is what's wrong with society" undertones, or "you just don't understand us" teenaged mentality, both of which are pretty dumb. I just don't understand why people get so heated over this. Yes, the fans like it. Some of them like it so much that they lose their minds over it. Decry the violence, talk about how murder is wrong, and the kids are going to want to get into it even more. Taboo things are attractive. If you don't like it, who cares? I'm sure there are plenty of other books out there that you don't like, too. I understand that those other books might not being shoved into your grill right now, but give it time and this, too, will pass. It is a fad. It is a clique. It will go away. Stephanie Meyer is not likely going to be the new Shakespeare.

[Lace Neil Singer]

My main problem with obsessive Twilight fans is that there's no pleasing them. If you haven't read the books and say you dislike it, they then shriek, "You don't know anything! You haven't read them!" If you do read the books and make intelligent points on what is bad, they shriek, "Why are you so obsessed over how bad Twilight is that you spend time pointing out its faults!"



I for one am not condemning anyone for liking the book. Funny, I could have sworn that I have friends online who love the book, and who I chat to regularly despite my feelings on the subject. How can that be? Oh yes, cuz they don't screech insults at me for disliking the books, or tell me to get over it cuz I dislike it. In return, I respect their choice of book, and don't insult them for liking what I consider trash. Not hard at all.

I read a lot of crap; for example, trashy celebrity magazines, but I don't read about Kerry Katona and think that her relationship with Mark is the bestest thing ever, despite the fact that it's clearly abusive. I will also add that if as a fan all you want is for people to agree with you and not put down your fave music/book/food, then feel free to start a pro board. Fact is, people are going to dislike your fave and if you want debate, then you can't just screech, "Get over it!" or "Just cuz you hate it, doesn't mean I can't read it!" when people are being civil and polite when expressing their dislike.

By the way, this is not directed at anyone on here. However, I have encountered such immaturity on another board where a Twihard actually ended up on a ban for harrassing a non fan. O_o

[Wingates_Hellsing]

A few bones to pick ThePhoneGoddess:

First: That something happens a lot is not an excuse for allowing it to happen (or more specifically, refraining from speaking out against it). Murder has always happened and probably always will, doesn't mean we should treat any different.

Second: Singling out a single object/person/idea is necessary for a good debate. The alternative being an attempt to cogently debate about hundreds if not thousands of things at once because they're all very similar. Pursuing a debate about Twilight being bad is not the same as claiming that it's more of a negative thing than the WoW books, or corporate malfeasance, or spanking one's children. Right now, we're talking about Twilight, and that's it unless someone specifically compares it to something or specifically claims that it's the worst thing ever.

Third: There is a world of difference between us not liking obsession with Twilight and your friend's dislike for every other genre of music. Your friend is single-handedly placing his own tastes above that of a great many other people while simultaneously advocating the removal of said people's right to like what they like. The point that most (I'd say all, but I'm erring on the side of caution) the rest of us are making is that Twilight specifically and not vampire/romance novels as a whole is not only responsible for disgusting behavior, but also setting an (extremely) bad example for what 'love' should be.

Fourth: Sure, go ahead and read Twilight to see if it's bad. It very plainly is (extremely bad) but instead of sampling it and comparing it to something else, the Twilight fans we have a problem with are instead holding it aloft as literary genius and a handbook for 'true love'. This being roughly similar as praising a song with no melody or tune as 'genius' or rifle with no stock or sights as 'deadly'.

and finally:
Aren't well-thought-out, detailed and factual arguments a good thing? Isn't that what we want? Seeing as that's something this world is deplorably short on, I don't see why that's a problem. If you feel strongly about something, you should speak our about it. If you speak out about something, you should do it in a factual and intelligent manner. In order to achieve this, one must spend time researching the facts etc. If I felt very strongly that Zombieland is an excellent movie, I should say so. If I'm debating that topic, would it be obsessive for me to research the film, analyze it's components and present them in detail?