Why do most message boards have something against Second Life?

[axel]

Because i was on one message board a Law forum in the off-topic area and i posted whether anyone uses SL hanging out at nightclubs and the people started saying LOL, the clubs are fake.

Why is that?

my avatar in it.

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[Lace Neil Singer]

That's an unfair generalisation; plus your version sounds a bit one sided. Did you try and take the thread over? I remember someone doing that on a site I admin, constantly going on about Gaia and their avatar there; they eventually were temp banned and never came back after their ban was up. I don't have anything against Second Life, I'm just not interested and I find that a lot of people who are obsessed with that seem to take my view as a personal insult. Usually too they start bashing Gaia, which I play, as tho that gives their view more merit.

[axel]

That's an unfair generalisation; plus your version sounds a bit one sided. Did you try and take the thread over? I remember someone doing that on a site I admin, constantly going on about Gaia and their avatar there; they eventually were temp banned and never came back after their ban was up. I don't have anything against Second Life, I'm just not interested and I find that a lot of people who are obsessed with that seem to take my view as a personal insult. Usually too they start bashing Gaia, which I play, as tho that gives their view more merit.

Well i view if you play a different game from me,then i don't have any problem with it at all. Because i never played Gaia but from the pics it looks a lot like SL.

[BroomJockey]

Because i was on one message board a Law forum in the off-topic area and i posted whether anyone uses SL and about a person becoming rich from it known as Anshe Chung,and hanging out at nightclubs and the people started saying LOL, you can't become rich then i got kicked from the site.

Why is that?


Because that's a common spam tactic.

"Hey, someone I know got rich this way!" That then lures in people to respond "Oh, how?" *insert spam pitch.* It's a bit more involved that the common spam techniques, but it doesn't usually get you banned instantly from somewhere, thus making it a better time investment for long term spamming. If they'd had something similar on the board, they'd just not wanna bother taking the time to find out if you're a spammer or not.

[axel]

Because that's a common spam tactic.

"Hey, someone I know got rich this way!" That then lures in people to respond "Oh, how?" *insert spam pitch.* It's a bit more involved that the common spam techniques, but it doesn't usually get you banned instantly from somewhere, thus making it a better time investment for long term spamming. If they'd had something similar on the board, they'd just not wanna bother taking the time to find out if you're a spammer or not.

Well i'm not a griefer,because i belong to a anti griefer group in second life.

well i was also asking if other people use second life.

i also feel that this forum hates Furries or something.

[Boozy]

This was a Law forum?

I realize you were posting in their off topic section, but maybe it's not that kind of forum. I don't know about Second Life, but the Furry lifestyle may not be an appropriate topic for a conservative forum.

I think Broom is right about that Second Life/spam connection. It's such a common spam tactic that, to be completely honest, I thought long and hard before approving this thread. So that might have been your problem.

[axel]

This was a Law forum?

I realize you were posting in their off topic section, but maybe it's not that kind of forum. I don't know about Second Life, but the Furry lifestyle may not be an appropriate topic for a conservative forum.

I think Broom is right about that Second Life/spam connection. It's such a common spam tactic that, to be completely honest, I thought long and hard before approving this thread. So that might have been your problem.

No i mean another forum i won't mention here.

[axel]

I also don't consider it spam,because i enjoy sl and i have many friends on there and i do other stuff to as well like going to the mall IRL.

[BroomJockey]

Well i'm not a griefer,because i belong to a anti griefer group in second life.
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i also feel that this forum hates Furries or something.
And they're to know this affiliation to a group, how? Also, the effectiveness of said group? As you pointed out, they didn't seem to be fans of the game, so they're not likely to have knowledge of groups within the game.

Second, are you referring to the mystery forum, or to this one? Because if it's the mystery forum, and you're talking about something like 4chan (probably the most famous anti-furry board around), I'm surprised you got out with your psyche intact.
I also don't consider it spam,because i enjoy sl and i have many friends on there and i do other stuff to as well like going to the mall IRL.

It really doesn't matter what YOU consider it. It's how others perceive it. If you act exactly like a spammer, even if you aren't one, you get treated like one.

[axel]

And they're to know this affiliation to a group, how? Also, the effectiveness of said group? As you pointed out, they didn't seem to be fans of the game, so they're not likely to have knowledge of groups within the game.

Second, are you referring to the mystery forum, or to this one? Because if it's the mystery forum, and you're talking about something like 4chan (probably the most famous anti-furry board around), I'm surprised you got out with your psyche intact.


It really doesn't matter what YOU consider it. It's how others perceive it. If you act exactly like a spammer, even if you aren't one, you get treated like one.

No, i think this board has something against furries.

[Rapscallion]

No, i think this board has something against furries.

Individual members might have, but this board is generally neutral to allow itself to be a debating forum.

Rapscallion

[BroomJockey]

No, i think this board has something against furries.

Individual members might have, but this board is generally neutral to allow itself to be a debating forum.

Rapscallion

Yep, as the big boss says, the board itself is neutral, though members have differing opinions. That's kinda the point of this place. I doubt you'd get a firm consensus on anything as simple as the sun coming up, let alone a topic like furries.

[Rapscallion]

What I forgot to mention was that humans are very tribalistic. My lot against your lot. My tribe against yours. My family against yours. My nation against yours.

There's an unmistakeable trait through history of large groups of people being led by people who tell the masses that the group over there (other city state, country, next village with a different accent, different colour skin etc) doesn't like us or is inferior etc, so there's a really good reason to go to war. Belittling them is part of the process.

Hitler managed to rouse the German nation against the Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals. Stalin did similar (killed more Jews than Hitler, if memory serves). Hutu and Tsutse warfare has been going on for years. Football fans over here have had a pretty vicious track record for beating on each other.

Us against them - very powerful motivator if you can find a way to harness it.

Rapscallion

[powerboy]

And they're to know this affiliation to a group, how?

Maybe, they have a family member or friends that are into it.


No, i think this board has something against furries.

That might be the case. Or then again, it might be because someone gets their panties into a knot about anything that is different to them.

[BroomJockey]

Maybe, they have a family member or friends that are into it.

So because they have a family or friend who plays Second Life, who manages to be part of this group, they are to know a random person appearing on a message board for the first time is also part of that group who plays Second Life? I don't think that axel leads off every first post in a new forum with "I am part of an anti-griefing group in Second Life." No. I don't think so.

[powerboy]

So because they have a family or friend who plays Second Life, who manages to be part of this group, they are to know a random person appearing on a message board for the first time is also part of that group who plays Second Life? I don't think that axel leads off every first post in a new forum with "I am part of an anti-griefing group in Second Life." No. I don't think so.


Putting it like that, then I agree with you.

[BroomJockey]

Putting it like that, then I agree with you.

Thanks. :) I think it would be nice if it was possible to find out for certain what someone's intentions are, and details like being part of an anti-griefing group, but the time investment in ferreting out every single spammer means occasionally someone gets caught in the crossfire. :(

[axel]

Thanks. :) I think it would be nice if it was possible to find out for certain what someone's intentions are, and details like being part of an anti-griefing group, but the time investment in ferreting out every single spammer means occasionally someone gets caught in the crossfire. :(

Here are the bylaws of the group

GridWatch is a resource/tactical channel for all active SL peacekeepers, allowing them to communicate in real time. Our mandate is simple: to protect the residents of Second Life from griefer attacks.

No groups or persons who use scripted weapons to retaliate against griefers need apply. Failure to adhere to the Terms of Service is grounds for immediate removal.

[axel]

I also posted about sl because i wanted to know if anyone else on here uses it.

[Fenrus]

I also posted about sl because i wanted to know if anyone else on here uses it.

You might be seeing some of this backlash due to the fact that you started out the post with "Why do you have something against it" instead of "Hey, anyone out there play SL?" Starting out a debate on the defensive usually brings people in to the debate, and they feel like they either have to tell their side in a more aggressive way, or they have to build up your side. No one enters on neutral ground.

Also, this board is pretty neutral on most, if not all things. Porn, Smoking, Tazing 72 year olds... We've got it all. Why would you say that this board has something against the Fur community? Can you bring up specific incidents? Knowing what has been said would either make or break your argument with this.

That being said, I don't really play SL. I've seen it around, had friends that played, but I never got into it. It was the same with Gaia, and most message boards. I'll post for a while, then just end up lurking. Even message board Role-Plays, I'll be way into it, then just stop playing (Usually asking a fellow RPer to kill off my character. Write out the epic battle, too. haha).

Also, I'm not much of a furry fan, to be honest. I can see how people would like it, but it just doesn't do anything for me personally.

[smileyeagle1021]

I doubt you'd get a firm consensus on anything as simple as the sun coming up, let alone a topic like furries.

Broom, the sun does not rise, it sets :p

[axel]

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[Rapscallion]

So, what's your debate point?

Rapscallion

[Skunkle]

Agreed: Axel, give us some fodder for discussion: where have you seen a decidedly anti-furry bent on Fratching? Individuals here will have specific viewpoints that may go against yours; however, in any given thread, you'll see pro and con, back and forth.

I actually haven't seen one thread about the furry fandom. Yet. But there might yet be some I haven't yet seen. Having been a fur since, oh, 1997, I can safely say that at least 30% of the fandom fully deserves the reputation it gets, with its hyper-focus on sexuality - but then, many otaku are equally horny And sci-fi, fantasy, anime and furry cons all have the distinct possibility of the con-goer encountering "unwashed funk," which I've noticed by experience (at the next local con, I'm going to be handing out Zephyr Skunkle brand soap - first on the list of instructions, "Remove your tail and ears - they DO come off") Every fandom has its problem people, and they naturally tend to give the rest a bad name.

Now, I do find SL interesting, especially in the range of things that can be created there. This variety never fails to surprise me, really. I don't have any issues with Second Lifers - I simply don't play because I know I would get absolutely addicted. I agree that bringing up the famous few who've made Lindens into sizeable amounts of real cash will pop up red flags on message boards, as yes, this sort of thing is most often a segue into someone's get-rich-quick marketing.

Also to be avoided are arguments beginning with "Why do you hate..." or "Why does everyone on here..." These are loaded questions and will put anyone on the defensive, since they imply that you are accusing rather than asking, and they can be hard to answer in a way that cannot be construed as sounding guilty. It's like the old question "Senator, when did you stop beating your wife?" It begins with the accusation, and then leaves those respondiong standing accused and required to defend themselves.

So... again, if you have reasons to believe Fratching has an anmti-furry bent, PLEASE put 'em here. I'd like to see the furry threads and form an opinion of my own.