Taylor Swift and Kanye West....

[AdminAssistant]

....and the MTV Video Music Awards debacle:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1621389/20090913/west_kanye.jhtml

Okay, so Taylor Swift won an award for the video for "You Belong to Me." Kanye West stormed the stage, took away her mic, ranted about how Beyonce's "Single Ladies" video should have won, and by the time he got off stage, the producer cut off Swift's mic.

First and foremost, Kanye West is a douchebag. That was beyond rude. It would be one thing if he had lost, however interceding on Beyonce's behalf...especially when Beyonce did not WANT him to...geez. However, the sad thing is....he's right. I don't know if you've seen the video for "You Belong to Me", but it's every bit as creepy as the song. And Taylor Swift trying to pass herself off as the "awkward geeky girl with no friends"...bitch, please. And isn't she a country music singer anyway? What the hell was she doing on MTV?

So, that's where I stand on the matter. Kanye had every right to his opinion, and if he had waited until after the ceremony, he could have expressed it and had a good number of people agree with him. (I really really wanted to post this on Facebook, but I know that I'd get flamed to a crisp)

[Boozy]

Kanye West is often right. Example: George Bush almost certainly does not care about black people.

What Mr. West doesn't seem to understand is that there is a time and place to voice your opinions. Being rude and inconsiderate to Taylor Swift, Beyonce (who didn't ask to for this), and MTV viewers, isn't going to get your point across. It's just going to make you look like a dick.

[BroomJockey]

Kanye West is often right. Example: George Bush almost certainly does not care about black people.

What Mr. West doesn't seem to understand is that there is a time and place to voice your opinions.

For a less-than-politically-correct take on Kanye West, I present Cracked's article entitled "What if Kanye West is Retarded?" (http://www.cracked.com/blog/what-if-kanye-west-is-retarded/)

[Greenday]

There is a time and a place for ranting and waving, and that time and place is NOT when someone else wins an award. That just makes him a huge douchebag.

[daleduke17]

More than likely this was (at least partially) staged. MTV is always looking for something to spike ratings, or making them "edgy". This was their publicity stunt for the VMAs this year. Kanye knew it, VMA people planned it, Swift and Knowles didn't know it.

[pssorens]

It's very highly unlikely that it was planned by the VMA people. Why would they risk pissing off two very popular musical acts.

[lordlundar]

It's very highly unlikely that it was planned by the VMA people. Why would they risk pissing off two very popular musical acts.

Because it's publicity. Publicity means money which goes to the recording execs, who have no qualms putting anyone they can "under the bus" so to speak for a few more bucks.

[Boozy]

There's no indication this was planned. Why assume a conspiracy when there's no reason to do so? Kanye West is notorious for running his mouth. That's the simplest explanation.

[spookysonata]

Yeah, it's not so much his opinion but the way he went about expressing it. Douche.

[daleduke17]

There's no indication this was planned. Why assume a conspiracy when there's no reason to do so? Kanye West is notorious for running his mouth. That's the simplest explanation.

This article: http://www.pantagraph.com/entertainment/article_5c2ebf16-a0c9-11de-8c22-001cc4c002e0.html

and the quote therein:


And that might as well be the VMA mission statement. MTV always seeks a combustible mix for its flagship award show, hoping for just the kind of attention West attracted.

[gremcint]

There is a difference between putting a lit candle near dynamite and actually lighting it.

Kanye was removed from the building for the rest of the ceremony so I don't think it was staged.

[daleduke17]

There is a difference between putting a lit candle near dynamite and actually lighting it.

Kanye was removed from the building for the rest of the ceremony so I don't think it was staged.

Would you put it past MTV to actually do something like that though?

And "removed from the building" could be as simple as telling him "Kanye, don't leave your dressing room for the rest of the show".

[Greenday]

And "removed from the building" could be as simple as telling him "Kanye, don't leave your dressing room for the rest of the show".

Or it could have been, "Kayne, great job! You blew everyone away! Excellent work."

[BroomJockey]

Or it could have been, "Kayne, great job! You blew everyone away! Excellent work."

"Here's a $100, go get some blow."

That'd likely get him out of the building.

[powerboy]

He should not have did what he did. Their is a place and time for everything. And this was a wrong time. It is going to happen to him and he is going to get pissed about it.

[Greenday]

"Here's a $100, go get some blow."

That'd likely get him out of the building.

I'd demand $200. This way he has enough for a hooker to snort it off of.

[Fashion Lad!]

I agree with the President of the United States in saying that Kanye West is a jackass.

And no, Kanye West isn't often right. The guy is about as arrogant, self-centered and racist as they come. I'm calling Kanye West a racist.

[gremcint]

As with everything else Kanye interrupting is now a meme.
http://kanyegate.tumblr.com/

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpzuyli2YK1qa3i8uo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1253135011&Signature=m1yJqwEI2JrQ86IRp0c%2FVrAeyTU%3D

http://i27.tinypic.com/2vi5gzm.jpg

[BroomJockey]

As with everything else Kanye interrupting is now a meme.

Yo dawg, I heard you like Kanye West, so we put Kanye interrupting Kanye in your meme you you can be interrupted while you're being interrupted?

[Boozy]

I thought this remix was funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKIcrDsJAs

[Rapscallion]

I'm a bit concerned that Obama's commenting on things like this - the Gates professor and the policeman was another.

Sure, it's incredibly good news that there's a president who knows what's going on and speaks his mind about it, but shouldn't he be shitting himself about concentrating on the economy and policy?

Rapscallion

[Boozy]

lol

You crack me up, Raps.

He probably IS shitting himself about those things, but it's been hard to ignore this story.

[Fashion Lad!]

I'm a bit concerned that Obama's commenting on things like this - the Gates professor and the policeman was another.



He's human. And you can't go anywhere about hearing about what Kanye did to Taylor.

[daleduke17]

lol

You crack me up, Raps.

He probably IS shitting himself about those things, but it's been hard to ignore this story.

Why should the President be commenting on something as stupid as a (more than likely planned) publicity stunt? The "reporter" who asked him should be busted down to doing the traffic report in Hays, KS.

[AdminAssistant]

Why should the President be commenting on something as stupid as a (more than likely planned) publicity stunt? The "reporter" who asked him should be busted down to doing the traffic report in Hays, KS.

Don't be hatin' on Kansas, now! (I actually know someone from Hays..Hayes?) Anyway. Well, the President, I imagine, is aware of some of the stuff going on in the world, a reporter asked him a question, and he answered it....so....what's the problem?

[SorryIsGoodEnough]

Obama has young daughters who are probably fans of one or both of those artists (Kanye West or Taylor Swift). He's just a man with a very important job. It doesn't mean that ALL he does is do official, presidential duties.

I thought it was funny and kind of endearing to hear him comment on something like this.

[Amethyst Hunter]

Sure, it's incredibly good news that there's a president who knows what's going on and speaks his mind about it, but shouldn't he be shitting himself about concentrating on the economy and policy?

Obama didn't make a point of going to the media. It was a comment picked up by a reporter who promptly spilled the beans on Twitter; when this was discovered, the Twitterbug - or maybe it was the site itself, I don't remember - removed the post. (He/the site did this at their own behest, fyi - nobody told him/them to do it.)

In any case, Obama's right: Kanye IS a jackass for acting so rude. Although, as AdminAssistant said, he's a jackass who is also right on two counts. (Technically though, it'd be one and a half counts, as his Bush comment was only partly right and would have been more accurate if he'd said that Bush didn't care about poor people.)

[Fashion Lad!]

In any case, Obama's right: Kanye IS a jackass for acting so rude. Although, as AdminAssistant said, he's a jackass who is also right on two counts. (Technically though, it'd be one and a half counts, as his Bush comment was only partly right and would have been more accurate if he'd said that Bush didn't care about poor people.)

I love how we have a topic about President Obama making a comment about Kanye "jackass" West and now we're talking about how bad President Bush was.

I'd like you guys to cite your sources where it shows that Bush doesn't care about black people or poor people if we're going to go this route.

[tabbyblack13]

What Kanye did was an example of being an idiot. If you want to say something like that then do it after. I was happy to hear that Beyonce gave up her time for Taylor to finish her speech.

[Gravekeeper]

I don't really think Bush's detached uncaring stupidity is race specific to be honest. Although Kanye IS a jackass and I laughed my ass off when Obama commented on it. In Obama's defense, it was suppose to be off the record. If you watch the video, the look on his face right after he says it is priceless. As he realizes someone's probably going to leak it and he'll be listening to it overblown in the news for the next 3 weeks.

Poor guy, hehe.

[guywithashovel]

I love how we have a topic about President Obama making a comment about Kanye "jackass" West and now we're talking about how bad President Bush was.

I'd like you guys to cite your sources where it shows that Bush doesn't care about black people or poor people if we're going to go this route.

I just thought I'd let everyone know that I've started a separate thread on this subject.

[Amethyst Hunter]

I'd like you guys to cite your sources where it shows that Bush doesn't care about black people or poor people if we're going to go this route.

For your (dis)pleasure: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/03/kanye-west-george-bu.html

Video courtesy of YouTube of the scene in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDMyArnIdzY

[Boozy]

Many thanks to guywithashovel for starting the new thread (http://www.fratching.com/showthread.php?t=1579). Let's take that aspect of the discussion there.

[XCashier]

As with everything else Kanye interrupting is now a meme.
http://kanyegate.tumblr.com/
Heh! :D
http://13.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kq3fdt1wup1qa3i8uo1_400.jpg