Twilight!

[LadyBarbossa]

Words can no longer describe how much I hate this pitiful excuse for a 'saga' and the way we are constantly being forced to deep throat the damn thing. I'm tired of seeing ads for it on 90% of websites I visit, even when they have nothing to do with books or film. I'm tired of seeing huge displays of Twishit all over various departments of stores. I'm tired of seeing Kristen Stewart's vapid expression plastered all over, same with shots of Pattinson that looks like he's just rolled out of a trash can after shooting up. Or Taylor's creepy pedo-wolf stare peeking around every corner.


And I'm mostly embarrassed that my nephew, 17, is going to see New Moon on Friday because he's just DYING to see it and he's a stupid enough fuck to go alone even after finding out his friend and friend's sister won't be able to go as well. At least if they went, it'd look like the sister dragged them to it. I'd like to clock him nice and hard with a clue-by-four for telling me "It takes a real man to admit he likes Twilight" when I told him he should check his manhood in at the theater door.

I'm pissed off at his friends' idiot mother who let her daughter read this shit because it has "Such a wonderful abstinence message and it's clean, wholesome reading" because if she hadn't, the stupid prude wouldn't have gotten her brother and, in turn, my nephew, turned on to this tripe.

Stephenie Meyer, go play in traffic.

[Greenday]

First off, you should be embarrassed of your nephew. I saw the first one just because the girl I liked asked me to and I thought it'd help my chances with her and I STILL caught shit for it.

Second, I like how people try to say that Twilight teaches good morals when the book itself reeks of sexism against women and such.

[BroomJockey]

Honestly, I blame Harry Potter. It was a well-written story of friendship and sacrifice in a fantastical world. And then it took off in popularity like a rocket, and publishers needed something that they thought was in the same vein of Harry Potter. Twilight seemed to qualify. After all, it was in a fantastical world, wasn't it? They just forgot the well-written, the meaningful sacrifice, and friendship. Instead they inserted blank characters for tweens to project themselves on to, meaningless subsuming of self to the detriment of all for a relationship, and superficial similarities supposedly creating deep bonds.

And to top it all off, it's a story of *massive* ephebophilia. After all, Edward's over 100 years old, and Bella wasn't even 18. That's just sick.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

The only thing really missing from Harry Potter was a good lesson in tactical consideration. He failed hard in that area every-single-step of the way. :mad:

But what pisses me off more than the stupid story, bad characters and flawed rational of Twilight is that so many people revere it more than the real awesomely cool people we have in real life.

Do people really have to rocket off into some fantastical(ly stupid) world before they can appreciate anything?

[Bloodsoul]

Before I had even heard of Twilight, I recall a member of Gamers.com old, defunct forum (not their present one) having the book's artwork as an avatar (giving me an, "oh, so THAT'S where it comes from!" moment months later).

...so, I will say this about Twilight:; the hands holding the apple? I did sort of like that. Granted, if connecting it to that book wasn't already lodged in my mind, now, I'd probably somehow connect it to Ryuk from Death Note.

[kiwi]

At least if they went, it'd look like the sister dragged them to it.

How is a girl liking (or seeing) twilight any better than a guy liking (or seeing) twilight?
Considering how abusive emo Edward is to Bella I think anyone seeing it at an impressionable age is a terrible thing.

That and vampires don't sparkle any more than they have jazz hands. Anne Rice must be spitting tacks. Queen of the damned, now that was a sexy vampire movie.

[Kimmik]

I dont understand why you should be so hard on your nephew. First off ok you don't like it which is ok but why are you so vehemently against him liking it. Everyone has their own taste. Hell I applaud the boy for standing up and liking what he likes perceptions be damned.

Personally I enjoyed reading the books for mindless fun. And her sparkling vampires are an interesting twist on predators having a weakness. I never did go for the they can't do sun light and don't reflect in mirrors. Didn't much care for the movie as I dont think that it was true enough to the books. She is more vapid in the movie then she seemed in the books.

[Boozy]

I'd like to clock him nice and hard with a clue-by-four for telling me "It takes a real man to admit he likes Twilight" when I told him he should check his manhood in at the theater door.

He's right. You should be proud of him for having the self-confidence at the age of 17 to admit what he likes and present himself to the world with no embarassment. I think he's an exceptional young man.

I think it's a shame that you would tell him that he's less of a man for liking the things that he does. Men are not defined by their hobbies, they are defined by their actions towards others.

If it's okay for 17 year-old girls to like Twilight, then it's okay for boys to like it. Until we can all agree on that, sexism will be alive and well in our society.

(For the record, I haven't read the Twilight books nor seen the movies, and I have no plans to do so.)

[Lace Neil Singer]

I dislike the books purely cuz they give out the impression that a) women have to be helpless damsels in distress in order to snag a man and b) abusive boyfs are alright. Yes, I have read them. Yes, this does give me more reasons to hate the book. XD I heard too that Stephanie only made Jacob into Pedowolf cuz she hated the fact that more fans of the book loved Jacob rather than her pwecious Edward. :rolleyes:

I don't like the way that the books portray a sick, abusive and frankly disturbing guy as the perfect boyf, and glamourise spousal abuse. Also, the imprinting thing is SICK. I'm sorry, but a grown man being imprinted on a BABY is akin to pedophilia. Why not put Jacob with Leah? That would, you know, MAKE SENSE. Jacob was the only character with a few shreds of character, and Stephanie destroyed him for no good reason.

Also, Bella Swan is a Mary Sue name; Bella means "beautiful". New kids in town are very rarely feted in the way that Bella was; they are usually ignored. She's supposed to be a girl next door type, however every single other female character in the book is jealous of her, and boys fall at her feet. Her clumsiness does not affect her life in any great way, save for sometimes putting her in situations where she becomes a damsel in distress. She can be a total bitch, yet her nastiness does not affect her in any negative way. Finally, it's pretty obvious that Bella is a self insert of Stephanie Meyer, placed in the story solely so that the author can live her fantasies about getting off with a vampire boy. -.-

What Bella and Edward have is NOT love. It's at best infatuation, and at worst a seriously wrong relationship in which an abusive control freak uses emotional blackmail to manipulate his partner. A lot of abusive men say that they love their partners, despite either battering them senseless or controlling their every move. Edward is a stalker; the watching Bella sleep thing is seriously creepy. He threatens suicide to make her comply. He vandalises her car to stop her seeing her friends. There are a lot better ways to protect someone than controlling their every move. "I lock her up and control what she does in order to protect her" is exactly what an abusive man would say about his partner in order to excuse himself.

If you are still unconvinced, then read this link here (http://twilightsucks.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=twilight&action=display&thread=638).

[Nyoibo]

If you are still unconvinced, then read this link here (http://twilightsucks.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=twilight&action=display&thread=638).

I've been looking for that for ages, thank you.

[blas87]

I didn't find Edward to be overly abusive in the first movie, creepy and odd, yes......are you guys speaking of what's to come in the second one?

I am not about to try to beat the crowds this weekend, maybe not even next weekend to see the movie. I waited for the first one, I can probably wait for this one too.

[LadyBarbossa]

To clarify, I'd be just as disappointed and embarrassed if C was my niece instead of my nephew. I was merely saying I'd rather he go with a female companion because Twilight is primarily aimed at and enjoyed by girls and not boys. Girls dragging their brothers and male friends to chick flicks is nothing new. But for him to openly admit that he likes it is just ugh. A few minutes ago I asked him why he needs to see this movie so badly and he said "Just because. I like the first one, and I want to see the black vampire get torn apart".

I told him that if I found out he was climbing into girl's bedrooms at night to watch them sleep, I was going to kick him, and he retorted that there's nothing wrong with what Edward did because he was 'protecting' Bella. THAT kind of shit right there is why I dislike this series. We have a 17 year old boy who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to do this kind of thing.

And I absolutely agree with everything LNS said, and it particularly bothers me that Bella is such an incredible bitch through the entire series and yet the author and fanbase will both bleat about how selfless and kind she is. I've read the first book and part of the second and I'm finding it difficult to trudge through, as avid a reader as I normally am. I fail to see how a young woman putting herself in danger to hear her estranged boyfriend's voice in her head is healthy or fun in any way, shape, or form. I'm a big fan of fantasy, but when it's done in this manner and aimed at young, impressionable minds, I have a problem with it.

[LeChatNoir]

I didn't find Edward to be overly abusive in the first movie, creepy and odd, yes......are you guys speaking of what's to come in the second one?

I am not about to try to beat the crowds this weekend, maybe not even next weekend to see the movie. I waited for the first one, I can probably wait for this one too.


If you read the books, the abusiveness is a lot more prominent. I've only read the first two, but the second book made me want to punch something. Edward is a dick and Bella needs some serious therapy and intervention.

Oh, and as an aside...is it just me, or do Meyer's vampires not have fangs either? I can pass on the sparkles, but how the fuck can any respectable vampire suck blood without fangs? I am just going off the fact that fangs are not mentioned (that I have read) in the books, and you did not see any at all in the first movie. Does Edward go around "omnomnom"ing his victims?

[kiwi]

Does Edward go around "omnomnom"ing his victims?

no he just looks at them with a brooding emo stare :D its the greasy hair, no girl could resist!

[LadyBarbossa]

If you read the books, the abusiveness is a lot more prominent. I've only read the first two, but the second book made me want to punch something. Edward is a dick and Bella needs some serious therapy and intervention.

Agreed.

Oh, and as an aside...is it just me, or do Meyer's vampires not have fangs either? I can pass on the sparkles, but how the fuck can any respectable vampire suck blood without fangs? I am just going off the fact that fangs are not mentioned (that I have read) in the books, and you did not see any at all in the first movie. Does Edward go around "omnomnom"ing his victims?

They apparently have a regular set of teeth like humans, only they are 'razor sharp'. Don't ask me how kissing and making out with a human being is supposed to work in that case. Or for that matter, since all their bodily fluids are replaced by 'venom', why Bella doesn't get turned vamp by tongue kissing or sex.

[DesignFox]

I haven't read the books or seen the movie. I had no desire. Until this point, the only things I heard were all gushy.

Interesting.

If what you all are saying is accurate, there is a bit of a problem. Lot's of young girls are infatuated with this series. I've seen stuff all over the internet...the biggest one that comes to mind is a lettering set for the bedroom that reads, "I'm just Bella waiting for my Edward."

If the character is that abusive, it makes me sad to think what it's teaching these kids...both girls AND boys.

I refuse to buy the books. I might have to borrow from a friend just to find out for myself.

[Greenday]

I'm in college and I still hear girls saying that guys need to be more like Edward Cullen. So we need to be fairies? Cause Edward Cullen is not a vampire. He sparkles and he flies. He's a fairy, not a vampire.

[muses_nightmare]

I tend to "correct" people who say that the books are well written. They aren't. They're aweful, I bought the first one a long while back thinking that it was going to be a decent read, I was so wrong, I couldn't even get past the first 3 chapters. It reads like bad fanfic.

Haven't seen either of the movies either.

And now that I've heard about the abusive connotations in the books it makes me want to read them even less. If that's even possible.

[jackfaire]

It reads like bad fanfic.

Exactly and because of the internet things that would never make it to print are suddenly finding print because teens don't care about how well something is written anymore.

[Lace Neil Singer]

It pretty much is bad fanfic; it's even got a self insert. -.-

There's also the fact that Edward can NOT be a vegetarian, cuz any kind of blood be it animal or human is a MEAT PRODUCT.

[Greenday]

There's also the fact that Edward can NOT be a vegetarian, cuz any kind of blood be it animal or human is a MEAT PRODUCT.

Wouldn't that be vegans who cannot eat meat byproducts, not vegetarians?

Just asked two of my girl friends what they thought of Twilight.

"Ugh."
"I don't read smut."

At least my friends are sane.

[BroomJockey]

Wouldn't that be vegans who cannot eat meat byproducts, not vegetarians?


I think (ethical, anyways) vegetarians by-and-large can eat animal by-products, like milk and honey, because it's produced naturally, and doesn't do any harm to the animal. Syphoning the blood from a creature doesn't exactly jive with the "naturally produced" nature of milk and honey.

But here's the thing. There's not really a strict definition of vegetarian. There's specific terms for ones who eat fish, or chicken, or eggs, but no one ever uses them, so vegetarian tends to be slapped on as a label any time someone doesn't eat mammals.

[bunnyboy]

You think it's bad... I have two things to not look foreward to, Forks being down the way from the only way to it from Eastern WA for now.... and the fact that a GOOD vamp/wolf/supernatural in our normal world book will probably just get called a twilight rip off... yeah Patricia Briggs and other writers in the urban fantasy niche get tainted by the overly long fanfic that is Twilight... at least My Immortal was probably one of the best troll fics ever.

[jackfaire]

Patricia Briggs rocks!!!

GRRRRR Vampire Diaries is not NOT inspired by Twilight.

LJ SMith was writing books well before Stephanie Meyers got a bug up her butt.

I had a roommate accuse LJ Smith (creator and writer of Vampire Diaries the triloogy) of being inspired by Twilight.

She is no longer my roommate (no not for that reason)

[AdminAssistant]

He's 17. He can likes whatever he wants to like. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that everyone else in the world has to hate it. Why should he avoid seeing a film that he wants to see because someone might see him? That's unfair and ridiculous. Y'know what? I went to see The Mummy 3 in the theatres by myself. It was a horrible movie, but I had a damned good time, and that's all that matters.

[jackfaire]

It was a horrible movie, but I had a damned good time, and that's all that matters.

Ah yes but what if the movie had shown an abnormal and creepy behavior that we adults look at and would judge as bad as a behavior that is good and healthy.

[LadyBarbossa]

Yeah, he's not just seeing a bad teen movie. He's obsessing over a bad teen movie in which the main characters think that suicide is a perfectly acceptable route to take should they lose their 'true love'. Edward openly admits that he was planning to kill himself if Bella had died in the first story, and tells her that if something were to happen, he'd try his best to end his life. When in dangerous situations, Bella can hear Edward's voice in her head, and because he has left her (and broken into her room to steal the pictures she had of him and his family to 'erase' their relationship), she purposely puts herself in harm's way to her his voice. She crashes her motorcycle at least twice and also jumps from a cliff, but always reiterates later that 'It's worth it to have her velvet-voiced hallucination'.

And as I stated earlier, my nephew is already of the mind that it's both acceptable and romantic to climb into a girl's bedroom at night to watch her sleep, without her consent. The fact that people at such an impressionable age obsess over this series so much is what concerns me. We have enough teens suffering from depression over romance, breakups, and the like without some deluded author publishing her wet dreams and selling it to them.

[bunnyboy]

Patricia Briggs rocks!!!

GRRRRR Vampire Diaries is not NOT inspired by Twilight.

LJ SMith was writing books well before Stephanie Meyers got a bug up her butt.

I had a roommate accuse LJ Smith (creator and writer of Vampire Diaries the triloogy) of being inspired by Twilight.

She is no longer my roommate (no not for that reason)

Heh LJ Smith must have had the same time machine Terry Pratchett to steal Hogwarts some 20 odd years before it was written about, at least in that case the crap died down.

Starting to really hope a Mercy Thompson movie actually comes out to give a strong female lead in a supernatural romance thriller .

[kiwi]

Finally, it's pretty obvious that Bella is a self insert of Stephanie Meyer, placed in the story solely so that the author can live her fantasies about getting off with a vampire boy.

This is SO true! Thats what makes me truely hate the books, I feel like im reading her fantasy land diary.

Dear diary, today at school a boy who is a TOTAL bad boy had to sit next to me and OMG diary it was sooooo awesome he smelled so good. I wish he was a vampire so he could bite me mmmmm. His name was Eddy, thats SUCH a good name. I sat there and smelled him for the whole class and then omg I dropped my pencil. How clumsy am I! I dreamed that he just couldn't stop paying attention to me, and that he called me beautiful. Eddy and Beautiful isn't that like a match made in heaven, lol oh well I mean hell cos he would be a vampire hehehehe

the whole series is like that, a childish fantasy where she is the centre of the universer. YUCK

[jackfaire]

Starting to really hope a Mercy Thompson movie actually comes out to give a strong female lead in a supernatural romance thriller .

That would be awesome. Said roommate was way to impressed by fame. I was supposed to be wowed about a story of Lou Ferrigno being a fan of one of her favorite authors. She was offended that I didn't care.

[MystyGlyttyr]

I tried to read the books twice. First time I got through three paragraphs before I put it down. Second time I thought "Okay, well, I'm pitiful at starting stories too, maybe once I get through the intro it won't be so bad." I got to page 17 before I thought "If I don't stop, I'm going to HURT MYSELF." I do have a cousin who loves the series, but freely admits she likes it for the trashy factor. She has a thing for shameless stupid romance stuff and all that.

For reference, I went and dug out some ancient wrestling fic I wrote from when I was in high school, about 10 years ago before I really learned how to, you know, actually write. ...it was pretty much the same stuff. Seriously. Vampires and everything. I guess everyone who writes goes through that teen DRAWMA phase and vampires are a popular choice. Stephanie Myers just figured out how to make money off it. Can't fault her for that.

Can, however, fault her for thinking she's a legitimately good writer and getting all butthurt when anyone suggests otherwise. Successful, yes. Possibly best scam artist of our time, yes. Good, no. Seriously, if she would come out and say "Yeah, I pretty much just wrote this for the shit of it and lookit what happened," I'd be giggling at the joke right along with her. But she's so VERY INTO her own hype.

Eh, I'm more annoyed that I have to wait till after curfew hours to get into Hot Topic and buy my fishnets and nail polish, or else it's packed with little "goffiks."

[Ree]

Now, the press is making a big deal out of the fact that Miley Cyrus refuses to read the books or see the movie because she doesn't believe in vampires. :rolleyes:
Because Miley Cyrus sets the standards for everyone to follow...


As to your nephew, your stand on this saddens me.

As the aunt of a young gay man who is comfortable in his own skin, and who follows his own drummer, the rest of the world be damned, I applaud your nephew.

As was mentioned, the attitude you expressed is what keeps sexism prevalanet in our society.

Even in some of the comments in this thread it's clear that women are encouraged to be strong and independent and step out of traditional "female" stereotypes.
Why, then, is it so upsetting that a young man chooses to attend a movie that is seen as a "chick" movie, and he is told to check his manhood at the door?

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Now, the press is making a big deal out of the fact that Miley Cyrus refuses to read the books or see the movie because she doesn't believe in vampires. :rolleyes:


Has she ever heard of the term "fiction", I wonder?

[Ree]

Has she ever heard of the term "fiction", I wonder?But she does have a right to her personal preferences without being criticized for answering a question honestly. It's not as if she started a smear campaign against Twilight.
She was just asked a question, which she answered, and it got blown out of proportion.

I am not a fan of vampire related entertainment, either.

In fact, just a few weeks ago I was wondering why the whole vampire culture has become so trendy.

It really doesn't do a thing for me.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Oh, I hate it. I cringe when I hear the word "vampire."

But that's kind of a dumb thing to say. Of course, she doesn't believe in vampires. I don't either.

I should probably state now for the record that I like Miley Cyrus.

[Ree]

I should probably state now for the record that I like Miley Cyrus.I like her too, for the record.

I just don't think, because someone is a celebrity, that the press should see them as the voice for everyone.

[kiwi]

She doesn't believe in vampires... thats fair.

I don't believe in gravity or logic or mathematics. They are made up thing we are told to believe in, they have almost everyone convinced but NOT ME!!! ;)

[LadyBarbossa]

Ree, see my previous post. I would be just as embarrassed if he were a girl. Perhaps my original words weren't the best choices. It isn't so much the 'girly' aspect of the series, it's the fact that I thought he was more intelligent and classy than to get sucked into this craze.

I've known grown, intelligent people with college education and brilliant minds to get sucked into this thing, and I swear, they get dumber and dumber all the time. There are fans who will put "Edward can break my headboard and bruise my body anyday!" on t-shirts and wear them with a giggle and a grin.

People need to read or view Twilight before judging or defending it. It truly is appalling.

[Ree]

Ree, see my previous post. I would be just as embarrassed if he were a girl. Perhaps my original words weren't the best choices. It isn't so much the 'girly' aspect of the series, it's the fact that I thought he was more intelligent and classy than to get sucked into this craze. Fair enough, but you did say, in the OP At least if they went, it'd look like the sister dragged them to it. I'd like to clock him nice and hard with a clue-by-four for telling me "It takes a real man to admit he likes Twilight" when I told him he should check his manhood in at the theater door.
To me, that was saying more than the fact that you considered Twilight to be crap.

[LadyBarbossa]

I'll admit that was probably out of line of me, though I do find it irritating that he will make fun of guys who are dancers, figure skaters, homosexuals, men who wear makeup, etc and refuses to watch movies with singing or romance. And yet he'll pay money to watch two people gush over one another and try to kill themselves when they break up, so long as there's 'action' to be seen.

[blas87]

K, so how many of you have I lost as friends because I have Edward as my computer background and am on Team Edward?

;)

[Greenday]

To me, being on Team Anyone is kinda too far. I mean, there was none of that Team Harry or Team Ron for Harry Potter. Then again, Harry Potter wasn't PG erotica...

[Kalli]

To me, being on Team Anyone is kinda too far. I mean, there was none of that Team Harry or Team Ron for Harry Potter.

Harry and Ron were friends without any conflicting interests. Edward and Jacob are polar opposite mortal enemies who are both in love with the same person. It's perfectly acceptable to take sides in such a story.

[Kalli]

To the OP: would you be opposed to your nephew watching movies where people get killed or do drugs without consequences?

I think you're sticking your nose into your nephews' interests unasked, and trying to justify doing that by using standards you don't apply to other movies.

I also think it's interesting that the ant-twilight mob's main gripe is that the fans' opinion of the series is being "shoved in their face", yet they behave remarkably forcefully when it comes to sharing THEIR opinion on the series. Hate it if you want, the fans don't care if you hate it. Just hate it quietly.

[Greenday]

To the OP: would you be opposed to your nephew watching movies where people get killed or do drugs without consequences?

I think you're sticking your nose into your nephews' interests unasked, and trying to justify doing that by using standards you don't apply to other movies.

As long as the kid doesn't think they apply to reality, I don't care what people watch. But people are taking Twilight and making it apply to reality, which is absurd.

I also think it's interesting that the ant-twilight mob's main gripe is that the fans' opinion of the series is being "shoved in their face", yet they behave remarkably forcefully when it comes to sharing THEIR opinion on the series. Hate it if you want, the fans don't care if you hate it. Just hate it quietly.

It is being shoved down our throats, thus we have a right to voice our gripes. I'd like to find good bumper stickers for my friends, but it's tough when 8/9 per page are about Twilight. Half the girls I know read that crap and now they are fixated on this unrealistic idea of a boyfriend. Why would I not gripe about this crap?

[Kalli]

As long as the kid doesn't think they apply to reality, I don't care what people watch. But people are taking Twilight and making it apply to reality, which is absurd.

Where? Show me an example. If you're talking about the "You're not sparkly enough for me" or "I'm just waiting for my Edward" t-shirts, don't be fucking ridiculous. The fans KNOW those shirts are unrealistic and fantastical. Just the same way that "I go to HOGWARTS!" and other such pop culture based t-shirts are unrealistic. People don't actually think they go to Hogwarts. People don't actually think sexy vampires or werewolves are their destiny. It's NOT application to reality, it's just fandom.

It is being shoved down our throats, thus we have a right to voice our gripes. Why would I not gripe about this crap?

Where did I say you shouldn't voice your gripes? I think it's perfectly acceptable for you to voice your gripes without being shot down. I also think it's perfectly acceptable for fans to voice their appreciation without being shot down. My point was that often people think its unacceptable for fans to crap on about how much they love Twilight, but it's perfectly OK for them to crap on about how much they hate it.

Not to mention the fact that voicing something positive is a completely different thing to voicing something negative. People have happiness to gain by conversing about something they like. What do you have to gain by telling those people they shouldn't like what they do?

Besides which, you are griping at fans for something which is actually not their fault. Which brings me to...

I'd like to find good bumper stickers for my friends, but it's tough when 8/9 per page are about Twilight.

Yes, this is annoying. It's also not new. There's always some hot thing that is flooding the merchandise market. However, that's corporate marketing, sales and capitalism shoving Twilight down your throat, not fans. You may make the point that fans perpetuate the flood of Twilight product, but the fact still remains that you are misplacing your blame here. It's a third party shoving that shit down ALL of our throats.

Half the girls I know read that crap and now they are fixated on this unrealistic idea of a boyfriend.

Oh, come off it. How many movies make women out to be stick-thin, smoking hot with a perfect personality and mad sharpshooting skills or some shit? Pop culture has been fucking with people's expectations and societal perceptions for ever. This is nothing new. Get over it.

[Nyoibo]

Where? Show me an example.

I believe the OP mentioned their nephew not seeing any thing wrong with Edwards behavior, behaviour which in any other circumstance would be considered domineering and abusive.


Oh, come off it. How many movies make women out to be stick-thin, smoking hot with a perfect personality and mad sharpshooting skills or some shit? Pop culture has been fucking with people's expectations and societal perceptions for ever. This is nothing new. Get over it.

Substitute girls for the nephew in previous paragraph, that when a guy stops you doing things to "protect" you, when he stops you seeing people to "protect" you that that's just what a good boyfriend does rather than what a controlling abusive person does.

[Kalli]

Substitute girls for the nephew in previous paragraph, that when a guy stops you doing things to "protect" you, when he stops you seeing people to "protect" you that that's just what a good boyfriend does rather than what a controlling abusive person does.

Yeah, it's nice when you can pick and choose what aspects of a book you wish to portray. How about mentioning the part where Bella completely rejects Edward's "protection" and saw whoever the hell she wanted anyway, and the part where Edward admitted wrongdoing with that behaviour?

Besides, it's NOT a normal situation. Their life is very different to a teenage human relationship, societal rules aren't even relevant. If they were all human teenagers and Edward forbid Bella from seeing her friends, then yeah, he's a controlling jerk. But that's not the situation.

Besides THAT, the point is its a fucking FICTIONAL STORY. It doesn't HAVE to display perfect moral standing. Most movies DON'T. Most movies involve far worse shit, and nobody says boo because they haven't got an agenda to promote. Even if you think Edward IS a controlling jerk, that doesn't mean the books should be condemned. The vast majority of books contain characters that are far from perfect, and glorifies them.

[Rapscallion]

Half the girls I know read that crap and now they are fixated on this unrealistic idea of a boyfriend.

You do realise that many girls wonders why she's expected to conform to airbrushed model standards?

Rapscallion

[Lace Neil Singer]

K, so how many of you have I lost as friends because I have Edward as my computer background and am on Team Edward?

;)

Personally, I'm on Team Tyler's Van. >: ) Anyone want to join me?

http://jack0king.deviantart.com/art/Team-Tyler-s-Van-116583829

[Greenday]

You do realise that many girls wonders why she's expected to conform to airbrushed model standards?

Rapscallion

None of the girls I know. They all make fun of them.

[ThePhoneGoddess]

During the Victorian era cheap little booklets called 'penny dreadfuls' were marketed to young adolescents. Many of them contained quickly written sensational stories, were extremely popular among working class kids, and there were long and heated campaigns to ban them because older people decided that they were so bad they were corrupting the young.

I assure you, it's gone on for centuries. Part of being a teenager is having the right to listen to music and watch movies and read stuff that is not considered high on the cultural scale. When I was a teenager people were up in arms over Anne Rice books---I remember the heated arguments, people who turned their nose up at her, and the general snobbishness that her books weren't "real" literature.. Her writing is great! versus Her writing is overrated, bombastic and chiched!

[Lace Neil Singer]

Comparing Twilight to Anne Rice's books is like comparing Sweet Valley High to Jane Eyre, seriously.

And even SVH trumps Twilight in terms of characterisation, writing skills and storylines. O_o

[Nyoibo]

I will be fair and say it's not just Twilight that I hate but anything that dumbs down a generation.

[Boozy]

Good post by ThePhoneGoddess.

I'd like to add something. What seems trite and cliched to an adult seems fresh and wonderful to an adolescent. While that does not excuse the alleged misogynism in the Twilight novels, it certainly excuses the "bad writing" to some extent.

I read a lot of garbage when I was a pre-teen, too. I grew up, and starting reading better stuff. So will today's kids.

[jackfaire]

The only thing that truly bothers me about Twilight fans is when they mock me for having loved Dawson's Creek. (thinking of specific person)

[kiwi]

Stephanie Meyer is a "good" story teller and a terrible writer.
Being a good story teller and a good writer are totally different parts of modern literature.
I LOVE Dan Browns basic story plot (I feel he re-writes the same story) and he can keep a very brisk pace, but the actual construction of the writing is just terrible. His similies make me want to gouge out my eyes and yet I can't put his books down.

[jackfaire]

his similies make me want to gouge out my eyes and yet i can't put his books down.

thank you yes!!!!

[Fryk]

Originally Posted by Kalli
"Where? Show me an example."

Howzabout... this?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkC_MVCNTPTEqIzV7tq77z6IxQt.;_ylv=3?qid =20090608032105AAB76J7

[AdminAssistant]

Fryk,

That sounds like the rantings of a 13 year old girl. Go through my old diaries, and you would see similar (although better written) ravings over JTT and Davon Sawa.

[Ree]

Half the girls I know read that crap and now they are fixated on this unrealistic idea of a boyfriend. Girls have had unrealistic ideas of a boyfriend for years, from the moment they are read their first fairy tale.

Pop culture has been fucking with people's expectations and societal perceptions for ever. This is nothing new. Get over it.
Exactly, Kalli.

[LadyBarbossa]

To clarify, I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to like anything. People yes, can like whatever the please. It's the unnaturally obsessive behavior that the Twilight series awakens in fans that disturbs me, as well as the vicious behavior towards non-fans and casual fans. Frankly, it's entirely uncalled for to ask someone if they like Twilight, and if the person says no, to ask them "Oh my god why not, what's wrong with you?" And then question everything from the person's IQ, sexuality, and if their sex drive even works at all. There are also stories popping up everywhere about fans being violent when they discover that another person doesn't share their love of the series. Teenagers have been beaten up, had rocks thrown at them, and their pets harmed just for saying they dislike Twilight.

Liking a series is one thing, but camping out for days at a movie theater and squealing like a maniac over it is another. Women in the 40+ bracket have thrown their dirty panties at 17 year old Taylor Lautner, who plays werewolf Jacob Black. Kind of a rabbit trail, but the double-standard displayed here is unfair, and this behavior is sick. Let's turn the tables for a moment, and imagine, if you will, 40+ year old men throwing their used underwear at Emma Watson, before she turned 18, or Miley Cyrus? Hell, even if they threw their shorts at adult actresses, I'm sure the public reaction would be quite different than the "LOL cougars, go Taylor!" attitude. And on the opposite end of the spectrum, we have girls under the age of ten racing up to Robert Pattinson, pulling down at the necks of their shirts and begging him to bite them. Some teenaged fans have actually scratched their own necks enough to draw blood and told him "I did it for you!" or asking him to lick the blood.

How about mentioning the part where Bella completely rejects Edward's "protection" and saw whoever the hell she wanted anyway, and the part where Edward admitted wrongdoing with that behaviour?

I was reading a domestic violence poster at the college today, and here are a few of the signs it listed -

Do you feel that you can’t do anything right for your partner?

In Bella's narrative, she is constantly expressing how inferior to Edward she feels she is, and how unworthy she is to be with him because he's so perfect.

feel emotionally numb or helpless?

When Bella is not with Edward, this is pretty much how she describes her mood. And during their brief break up period, she can't even think, let alone say his name or any of his family member's names without having physical and emotional pain, even months after they have left.

Does your partner criticize you and put you down?

Edward is forever reminding Bella how incapable she is and jokes that she might hurt herself doing laundry, even though she already has an inferiority complex about how much of a klutz she is.

blame you for his own abusive behavior?

He also frequently brings up the fact that he wouldn't be at a risk for becoming dangerous if Bella didn't smell so good. She constantly asks him to turn her vamp, which would effectively make her stop looking and smelling like filet mignon, yet he refuses. While the idea of her wanting to be undead and damned is questionable, it's still her decision and he does not respect it, leaving her human and in danger of tempting him to kill and eat her.

Does your partner:

have a bad and unpredictable temper?

Check.

threaten to commit suicide if you leave?

Both partners see suicide as an acceptable route to take should they ever be separated from each other, by death or not. Edward wastes no time in trying to kill himself when he is led to believe that Bella has died.

destroy your belongings?

Maybe not destroy, but after leaving her, Edward sneaks into Bella's house and removes all photographs of himself and his family from her personal album. He did not allow her to make her own choice in the matter.

act excessively jealous and possessive?
control where you go or what you do?
keep you from seeing your friends or family?

Ed constantly puts down the few human friends that Bella has, and is excessively jealous of her friendship with Jacob, going so far as to dismantle the engine in her truck to stop her from seeing him. I'm sorry, but if a guy did this to me, I'd kick him so hard, he'd be coughing up his own testicles.

constantly check up on you?

I'd say that crawling in through the bedroom window and watching them sleep in their own house definitely qualifies.

While this is a fictional story, the message it constantly conveys is a negative one, and I have to wonder what Stephenie Meyer was thinking when she put all of these themes into her books.

*SPOILER ALERT*





She could have empowered Bella and given so much more strength and depth to her character if she'd written her to recognize that her relationship with Edward was unhealthy, but in the end, he's the one she picks. And even this might not have been so bad if Meyer hadn't created her werewolf pack. I'm in the midst of finishing my read of New Moon, and I have to admit that for the greater part of the story, Jacob Black is a really nice guy, despite his furry problem. He's kind, easygoing, and Bella actually has a personality when she's around him. She admits that being with Jacob makes her feel good and happy. Yet the story only finishes out to once again prove the old saying of "Nice guys finish last." I actually have a friend who dated a douchewad like Edward when she was a teenager, and when the inevitable happened and he dumped her like a soiled bedsheet, her parents had to keep a close eye on her because she kept threatening suicide. Her life was simply not worth living without this guy, even though all he ever did was put her down and even thought she was worthless enough to the point he jokingly said she should go ahead with her suicide.

Fortunately for my friend, she is now happily married to a different, wonderful guy and has two beautiful daughters and a stepson. But this isn't always the case. I just think that there are enough abusive and unhappy relationships in the world without someone encouraging it with a work of fiction that will appeal to incredibly impressionable teenage audiences who drink up Mrs. Meyer's every word like scripture.

[ThePhoneGoddess]

When Rudolph Valentino died several women committed suicide in despair. The crowds at his funeral were so massive and so emotional that people were seriously injured in the crush. Fan violence often occurs before, during and after sports events, for example, on a regular basis. Just this weekend some pop star showed up at a mall and thousands of tween girls got so violent that five people were sent to the hospital. People get worked up and freak out on other people all the time. It's not right, but it happens. A lot. It happens to people of all ages. Singling out a specific book because of some people's behavior over it does not make the book a menace to society.

I don't understand why teenagers aren't allowed to have bad taste anymore. I have a coworker who is very musical. He loves classical stuff, but thinks that nearly all 20th century music is crap, and is constantly bitching and moaning about how all the young people have such terrible taste and it's all rock music's fault and it should all be banned so teenagers will be FORCED to appreciate "good" music. How are you supposed to appreicate quality music, or quality literature, without ever reading any bad stuff? That's how you learn what is poor quality---you take in both good and bad and notice the differences between the two.

Personally, I'm a little disturbed by your obsession over these books. You have taken the time to compare, in great detail, the plot of a fictional novel to a list of domesitc violence signs. You have read the books just so you can condemn them. I find that to be extremely obsessive.

[Kalli]

I was going to quote some of your points, thephonegoddess, and explain how I agree with them, but it seems a lot easier to just say I agree with all of it.

Especially how it seems odd to single out a book and declare the tween obsessiveness unhealthy, and then go on to display something very close to obsessiveness when trying to discredit it.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

A few bones to pick ThePhoneGoddess:

First: That something happens a lot is not an excuse for allowing it to happen (or more specifically, refraining from speaking out against it). Murder has always happened and probably always will, doesn't mean we should treat any different.

Second: Singling out a single object/person/idea is necessary for a good debate. The alternative being an attempt to cogently debate about hundreds if not thousands of things at once because they're all very similar. Pursuing a debate about Twilight being bad is not the same as claiming that it's more of a negative thing than the WoW books, or corporate malfeasance, or spanking one's children. Right now, we're talking about Twilight, and that's it unless someone specifically compares it to something or specifically claims that it's the worst thing ever.

Third: There is a world of difference between us not liking obsession with Twilight and your friend's dislike for every other genre of music. Your friend is single-handedly placing his own tastes above that of a great many other people while simultaneously advocating the removal of said people's right to like what they like. The point that most (I'd say all, but I'm erring on the side of caution) the rest of us are making is that Twilight specifically and not vampire/romance novels as a whole is not only responsible for disgusting behavior, but also setting an (extremely) bad example for what 'love' should be.

Fourth: Sure, go ahead and read Twilight to see if it's bad. It very plainly is (extremely bad) but instead of sampling it and comparing it to something else, the Twilight fans we have a problem with are instead holding it aloft as literary genius and a handbook for 'true love'. This being roughly similar as praising a song with no melody or tune as 'genius' or rifle with no stock or sights as 'deadly'.

and finally:
Aren't well-thought-out, detailed and factual arguments a good thing? Isn't that what we want? Seeing as that's something this world is deplorably short on, I don't see why that's a problem. If you feel strongly about something, you should speak our about it. If you speak out about something, you should do it in a factual and intelligent manner. In order to achieve this, one must spend time researching the facts etc. If I felt very strongly that Zombieland is an excellent movie, I should say so. If I'm debating that topic, would it be obsessive for me to research the film, analyze it's components and present them in detail?

[Lace Neil Singer]

My main problem with obsessive Twilight fans is that there's no pleasing them. If you haven't read the books and say you dislike it, they then shriek, "You don't know anything! You haven't read them!" If you do read the books and make intelligent points on what is bad, they shriek, "Why are you so obsessed over how bad Twilight is that you spend time pointing out its faults!"

:rolleyes:

I for one am not condemning anyone for liking the book. Funny, I could have sworn that I have friends online who love the book, and who I chat to regularly despite my feelings on the subject. How can that be? Oh yes, cuz they don't screech insults at me for disliking the books, or tell me to get over it cuz I dislike it. In return, I respect their choice of book, and don't insult them for liking what I consider trash. Not hard at all.

I read a lot of crap; for example, trashy celebrity magazines, but I don't read about Kerry Katona and think that her relationship with Mark is the bestest thing ever, despite the fact that it's clearly abusive. I will also add that if as a fan all you want is for people to agree with you and not put down your fave music/book/food, then feel free to start a pro board. Fact is, people are going to dislike your fave and if you want debate, then you can't just screech, "Get over it!" or "Just cuz you hate it, doesn't mean I can't read it!" when people are being civil and polite when expressing their dislike.

By the way, this is not directed at anyone on here. However, I have encountered such immaturity on another board where a Twihard actually ended up on a ban for harrassing a non fan. O_o

[the_std]

It sounds like Twilight has become one of the most ultimately divisive pop-culture icons of this decade. You're either for it (and a brain-dead, trend-following Meyer zombie) or against it (and a elitist snob with too much time on their hands), and it is "us" versus "them". When I see people debating for or against Twilight, I see a lot of "this is what's wrong with society" undertones, or "you just don't understand us" teenaged mentality, both of which are pretty dumb. I just don't understand why people get so heated over this. Yes, the fans like it. Some of them like it so much that they lose their minds over it. Decry the violence, talk about how murder is wrong, and the kids are going to want to get into it even more. Taboo things are attractive. If you don't like it, who cares? I'm sure there are plenty of other books out there that you don't like, too. I understand that those other books might not being shoved into your grill right now, but give it time and this, too, will pass. It is a fad. It is a clique. It will go away. Stephanie Meyer is not likely going to be the new Shakespeare.

[Boozy]

I'm in the midst of finishing my read of New Moon...

Why are you reading something you so despise? :confused:

I don't understand the campaign against these books. For example, I followed someone's link to some sort of anti-Twilight forum, and I was amused at the mulit-page diatribes being posted there.

Methinks they doth protest too much, if you get my meaning. No one spends that much time and energy deconstructing something they profess to hate. They aren't fighting human rights violations or pediatric cancer. These are just some books they claim they don't care for.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Read my post; maybe she feels she needs to read it just to cry down all the diehards who say that if you haven't read it, then you can't comment.

I see it as Marmite. Love it, or hate it, there is no middle ground. However, I am yet to see a fan of Marmite start attacking or screaming at someone who hates the stuff. O_o

[jackfaire]

This is my opinion

Reading Twilight because you like it okay fine.

Telling me that you now want a boyfriend who is, (insert list of stalker tendencies here)

I understand things like this screw with expectations etc The problem comes when no one is then educating these people about the difference between fiction and what is good behavior and what is bad behavior.

[LadyBarbossa]

Yes, for those of you wondering why I read something I find repulsive, it is for the purpose of being able to have a valid argument as to why I dislike it. I find it incredibly unfair and ignorant for people to bleat about how much they hate something or squeal that 'It sucks' when they know nothing about it.

That being said, I find it saddening to hear more and more reports of high school and even college English professors are devoting entire classes to Twilight, especially given Mrs. Meyers' gross misuse and abuse of the English language in her books.

As for getting into a heated debate over Twilight, I figured that was the purpose of the Fratching forums ;)

Seriously, if I have to see Twilight ads on 90% of websites I open, have it glare at me from magazine racks, store displays, and hear it mentioned on every news program I listen to no matter the time of day, there's no reason I can't state my disgust for the series how how we are being forced to deep throat it at every possible turn. I don't look for things to hate, but when it manifests itself in my daily life like a severe cockroach infestation, I have to say something. As for the 'TwilightSucks' forums, I will agree that's taking things too far. I've perused them before and it disappoints me that the attitude and behavior displayed by a majority of members there is often ruder and more out of hands that the rabid fans of the series itself.

[tropicsgoddess]

And I'm mostly embarrassed that my nephew, 17, is going to see New Moon on Friday because he's just DYING to see it and he's a stupid enough fuck to go alone even after finding out his friend and friend's sister won't be able to go as well. At least if they went, it'd look like the sister dragged them to it. I'd like to clock him nice and hard with a clue-by-four for telling me "It takes a real man to admit he likes Twilight" when I told him he should check his manhood in at the theater door.

I'm pissed off at his friends' idiot mother who let her daughter read this shit because it has "Such a wonderful abstinence message and it's clean, wholesome reading" because if she hadn't, the stupid prude wouldn't have gotten her brother and, in turn, my nephew, turned on to this tripe.

Stephenie Meyer, go play in traffic.

I think your nephew may need to have his man pass suspended or even revoked for that.

[Nyoibo]

So I was reading FML and the one at the top of the list just now...

"Today, I realized that our generation will be remembered as the kids who liked sparkly vampires. FML"

I cracked up.

[Boozy]

That's very cute that teenagers think that their generation will be remembered for the dumb shit they're doing now. Teens don't understand that the things they do and like in high school will a) be forgotten in several years, and b) usually don't matter in the greater scheme of things.

I'm not going to write off a whole generation just because they're stupid teenagers at the moment. They are more likely to be remembered for something like being the first generation to have little robots injected into their bodies, or computer chips implanted behind their eyes.

[jackfaire]

Twilight will be the thing that decades from now they are sitting around the table with family and friends enjoying thanksgiving dinner and someone will say "remember when" and they will laugh and smile

[blas87]

My generation had the freaking Power Rangers......I think it'd be better to be a kid now and have Twilight.

[jackfaire]

My generation had the freaking Power Rangers......I think it'd be better to be a kid now and have Twilight.

Hey the Power Rangers were awesome (Just the first ones)

[blas87]

You have to be kidding me.....poorly written, extremely lame......

Hey, just like what we're bitching about now!

[Greenday]

You have to be kidding me.....poorly written, extremely lame......

Hey, just like what we're bitching about now!

Power Rangers were good!

[IDrinkaRum]

That being said, I find it saddening to hear more and more reports of high school and even college English professors are devoting entire classes to Twilight, especially given Mrs. Meyers' gross misuse and abuse of the English language in her books.

Maybe they're talking about how not to write? Or maybe they are pointing out the misuse and abuse of the English language in the books and telling them not to do that? Hopefully? :)

[blas87]

Yeah, I'll admit I loved the original Power Rangers....I mean the original ones and maybe even when they changed the black, red, and yellow one.

The pink one was always my favorite.

[DesignFox]

I loved the Green Ranger. Particularly when he was evil. :D

All teenagers love something that we, as adults, think is complete trash. Oftentimes looking back on what we liked as a kid brings fond memories, but as adults we realize how crappy it really is. LOL

[RootedPhoenix]

There's also the fact that Edward can NOT be a vegetarian, cuz any kind of blood be it animal or human is a MEAT PRODUCT.

I just wanted to point out that the statement about being "vegetarians" was made as a joke. The book recognizes that blood =/= vegetables.

As for anything ELSE in that book.... *shrug*
I only read the first one, so I'm pretty uninformed on the whole thing.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Maybe they're talking about how not to write? Or maybe they are pointing out the misuse and abuse of the English language in the books and telling them not to do that? Hopefully? :)

My English teacher did that with Mills & Boon. XD Honestly, we had an entire lesson devoted to picking them apart as an example of terrible writing. :D

At least my generation had... um, cartoons created to sell toys! :p Tho let's face it, She-ra is a better role model for young girls than Bella is, by far. XD

I just wanted to point out that the statement about being "vegetarians" was made as a joke. The book recognizes that blood =/= vegetables.
The book, maybe, but the twihards? Not in my experience. Apparently the veggie vampirism is somehow something along with the sparklies that's attractive. Can't think why. O_o

OK, I seriously loled when I saw the following picture: http://quizilla.teennick.com/user_images/V/VA/VAM/VAMPIREGIRLATHEART/1242787230_1706_full.jpeg

[DesignFox]

<snip>
At least my generation had... um, cartoons created to sell toys! :p Tho let's face it, She-ra is a better role model for young girls than Bella is, by far. XD

<snip>

oooh I loved She-Ra! Princess of Power! Wooo! And she had a flying horsie! I had those action figures. Along with He-Man. :D I started collecting the He-Man DVD set...talk about corny! LOL Especially the PSA's at the end! Hilarious!

[jackfaire]

oooh I loved She-Ra! Princess of Power! Wooo! And she had a flying horsie! I had those action figures. Along with He-Man. :D I started collecting the He-Man DVD set...talk about corny! LOL Especially the PSA's at the end! Hilarious!

I had a friend who only caught the tail end of She Ra/He Man thing. Didn't know the whole story and asked "When are they going to get married"

If you don't know why that's funny I ain't tellin you :p

[IDrinkaRum]

OoO!

Okies ... I was watching the daytime soap, Days of Our Lives, on Soap Net this morning. (There wasn't anything else on, and it was yeterday's epi, and I don't watch DOOL every day).

So, Arianna (character's name) was talking to her little sister about how she was in love with someone and he was in love with someone else. And her little sister was like, How can you love him when he doesn't love you but someone else!?

Arianna said: "You're young you don't understand about being in love."

And the little sister's response?

"I've read Twilight!"

[Nyoibo]

You have to be kidding me.....poorly written, extremely lame......

Hey, just like what we're bitching about now!

Except, martial arts and giant robots!

And no sparkly as far as the eye could see.

[LewisLegion]

If you dislike the Twilight books it's really a Catch-22. Take my office for example. EVERYONE here is obsessed with the books. They've been talking about nothing else but the movie since it came out, including getting midnight tickets for the premier.

I stay silent but inevitably they drag me into the conversation. "So, when are you going to go see it? Have you read the books?" etc. When I tell them I have no intention of seeing the movie and dislike the books, I immediately get blasted. It's not a case of them saying 'oh, ok, that's cool' and going back to their discussion. I would have no problem with that and I have no problem with them enjoying the books. But when they demand to know why I don't like them and I tell them why, suddenly I'm getting reamed by six different sources and grilled left and right and it basically feels like 'how DARE you not LOVE the books??"

By their reaction you'd think I'd stated an opinion that I think Hitler and his ideas were pretty good.

I'm a writer. Technically amateur but still a writer. I've been reading and writing since I was six years old. It is my personal OPINION that the Twilight books are poorly written, grammatically incorrect, rambling, unrealistic Mary Sue twaddle that reads like someone's romance fan-fic blog. That is my opinion. I don't care if someone else likes them, more power to them, that's great.

Personally, I think that fans of the book feel the need to defend themselves a bit too vehemently for whatever reason. As if someone saying they dislike something they, themselves, like...that person is telling them that they're inferior or 'wrong' somehow. I don't know why they're so defensive. People have different likes or dislikes in this world. It's ok, really. You don't see mountain climbers harrassing people who don't like heights or calling them idiots, haters, or demanding they list their reasons they don't like that activity.

Why so much fuss over a book? *shrug*

[Rageaholic]

I have nothing much to add except that while I've always hated this teeny booper fandom, I never realized how much of a pervert the vampire is.

I now absolutely despise this fad!

[Lace Neil Singer]

But when they demand to know why I don't like them and I tell them why, suddenly I'm getting reamed by six different sources and grilled left and right and it basically feels like 'how DARE you not LOVE the books??"

By their reaction you'd think I'd stated an opinion that I think Hitler and his ideas were pretty good.

Yeah; it's like suddenly finding out that the phrase, "I hate Twilight," means "Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries". -.-

[Fryk]

I fart in your sparkly direction!!!!!!

[jackfaire]

Your momma was a snowblower!

[gremcint]

http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/2009/11/22/vlog-11-22-09-new-moon/

[lordlundar]

Your momma was a snowblower!

No! You have to do the whole line!

"Hey Laser lips! Your momma was a snowblower!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1LSSL-d50):D

[Greenday]

Today, I woke up and looked in the mirror and noticed that my face was covered in glittler. I asked my wife about it and she said she put it on me while I was sleeping so that I would sparkle like Edward from Twilight when I'm in the sunlight. FML

And you guys think Twilight is harmless...

[Boozy]

And you guys think Twilight is harmless...

I believe that Twilight is harmless and FML.com is mostly bullshit, and your anecdote hasn't changed either of those opinions. ;)

[Greenday]

I believe that Twilight is harmless and FML.com is mostly bullshit, and your anecdote hasn't changed either of those opinions. ;)

Yea, I'd say 99% of the FMLs posted are complete BS.

[KabeRinnaul]

Here's two more Twilight FMLs.
http://www.fmylife.com/love/9321
http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/6472262

And also, my favorite review of the series: Sparkledammerung (http://stoney321.livejournal.com/317176.html).


But anyway. My personal dislike of the series is due to the following:
1. It's everywhere. I work front end at a grocery store. Rob Pattinson may be a decent guy, but I get tired of seeing his glitter-covered face staring at me from the cover of every magazine we sell.
2. The very creepy relationships. From Edward being a stalker to the whole "imprinting" thing with the werewolves.
3. Bella's mary sue tendencies. It just bothers me.
4. The complete defanging and neutering of vampires. What were once dangerous predators and the very embodiment of the dangers of lust... are now beautiful, flawless superheroes covered in glitter.

[Slytovhand]

Firstly, how did this thread make it to 10 pages???? I didn't think Twilight would be worth it...

Secondly, LadyB - you're post on abusive relationships doesn't quite fit with the whole idea of what it's supposed to be like with such vampires (bearing in mind, I've only seen the first movie, and not read the books - I wasn't that impressed). If such beings did exist, then the rules would change with them. I think that's a fair enough assumption - for any universe in which the heroes are not day to day people (Spiderman, Superman, etc) - and not overly dissimilar to how Dracula had hold over his minions (and similar to any decent vampire flick). If the magic is real, so are the connections.

But... it's fantasy! And, if people start envisioning their partners in a similar way, then woe be them.

Yahoo girl was just loopy! (and very young... and can't spell :p) Isn't a fantasy world something you occasionally escape into - not something you try to make into your whole life?

[McDreidel09]

While I personally do not like Twilight, I do not hate anyone that does. I have read all four books, just to try it and I did not like them all that much. My little sister likes the movies. I do give her the lecture about the "romance" that Edward and Bella have and how it is completely dysfunctional. I let her know that she should not be with anyone who has stalker like or abusive tendencies and that if her and her boyfriend break up, it is not the end of the world and she shouldn't hurt herself over it, like Bella did.

My little sister, being the ever so wise one, said "Oh I know that, Sissy. You would have that kind of guy on the ground bleeding with his balls down his throat if that were to happen. I just like the movies because they are an escape."

My faith in teenagers was restored.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I don't hate fans of the books; in fact, I have friends who love Twilight. However, I do hate the rabid, nasty, downright vicious fangirls who the series has spawned, just as they hate me for daring to dislike their pwecious Mary Sue bitch and glittery Gary Stu stalker.

[bunnyboy]

My little sister, being the ever so wise one, said "Oh I know that, Sissy. You would have that kind of guy on the ground bleeding with his balls down his throat if that were to happen. I just like the movies because they are an escape."

My faith in teenagers was restored.

I'd be worried a little, I think she underestimated....

they'd most likely be lodged in his rectum, from the mouth side.... though I guess that is technically down the throat.

[KabeRinnaul]

Kheldarson found this. (http://www.mylifeistwilight.com/)

It would worry me a bit if I wasn't sure it was just as much BS as FML and MLIA. But still... 70 pages in four days?

Correction - She found it on CS and then showed me.

[LadyBarbossa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-turfrcQY-w

[Fryk]

Uhhhh-Mayyyyy-Zinngggggg-BUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHK!

The remixes for that video are hilarious, especially the "Billy Jean" one

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Okay, finally saw it last night.

I am impressed with the sheer number and the SIZE of the plotholes. Wow.

I admit, I loved the baseball game. That was charming.

I thought the main character was a drip. I also thought Shark Boy was way cuter than Edward. Edward was kind of creepy in a stalkerish kind of way.

Oh, well, it's not like I am disappointed.

[Nyoibo]

Shark Boy becomes downright hot in the second one.

The one thing I do like about the movies is the fights, they at least give a sense of very powerful creatures brawling.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Couple of funny images here :D
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/Wingates_hellsing/129039390345477450.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/Wingates_hellsing/129052098223760238.jpg

Is it just me or does this director have a 'thing' for CG creatures fighting?