NAZI Moderators!!!

[crazeyal]

I wasn't going to do this.

REALLY.

I was gonna sit out my month's suspension, because.. BFD.. I can still read the posts and not being able to reply "me too" doesn't really bother me..

But it's STILL HAPPENING!!!

You have the "niceness police" who happen to be hypocrites, as moderators.

You are not allowed to say "you are WRONG", or even " I don't think you should have said that." without getting rebuked.

I have no idea the amount of problems that occurred to get to the current amount of uber-control that you need at CS.com.. but
WHAT
THE
FUCK????

You fascists just closed this thread... (http://www.fratching.com/showthread.php?t=301)


WHAT THE FUCK FOR?!?!??!

With every unnecessary interruption, with every droning repetition it has been BLASTED "take it to Fratching"

AND THEN YOU CLOSE THE THREAD?!?!?

This goes beyond the typical hypocrisy and self aggrandizing that the normal moderator response gives. This is ABUSIVE


If you do not recognize this fact... you should probably have a swastika on your arm.

Now kindly close this thread and give me points/warnings/ban me for DARING to speak up.

JACKYLS...

[crazylegs]

The rules are there, both on cs and here. Neither is suitable for personal attacks (hence the reason why the fratching post was closed) nor is cs the forum for any type of contencious issue.

If you don't like the rules don't post.

[SportinGoods]

"I have one request for those who think saying "oorah" in a funny or insulting ironic way is cool or the thing to do:

Shut The Fuck Up. Please. It's not funny, it's not cool. It's insulting and degrading, and it makes you look like an ass backwards Rhesus Monkey.

I got bashed for sharing my views of it on CS.com. If you moderators want to bash me here too, then go for it. Dare I eevr protect the reputation of a military branch I got my ass kicked to serve."

The above post is a pretty decent response, as I can see how this would be a personal attack on someone. I'd like to offer another view on the topic.

This kind of statement isn't one that can really be debated or argued. If it was something brought up for debate it would have been presented as "I really hate when people say/make fun of 'Oorah' when they don't know what it means" When it really says, "You cant use the word if you aren't enlisted in the military, if you do, your a farking idiot"

It's a double edged sword, if one argues that the word is perfectly acceptable to the non-military public then they are attacked for not taking into account the blood sweat and tears that accompany the word. If one argues that the word isn't acceptable, then your appealing to one part of the population, and thus making them special among the masses of the internet.

Ultimately it's up to mods to weigh these decisions, and if I read correctly in past posts, it's not a democracy. There are other forums out there on the great intarweb that I'm sure are full of discussions about this particular word, and I can almost guarantee, scratch that, I DO guarantee that those arguments don't go anywhere. Meaning, they don't accomplish a point, or reveal some truth about the implications it has in society today. There are opposing points of view and there are no persuasive arguments to woo one side over to the other. Horse, dead, beating. Is all that comes to mind.

[Seshat]

I'm not gbm, and he's the only person who knows precisely why he closed the thread. But crazylegs and SportinGoods probably have the right of it.

I will say that the very title of the other thread looks like it's intended to be contentious rather than 'discussion'y: the person who expressed ignorance of the term oorah was me. Darth knows perfectly well that I'm Australian, and it's mentioned in my location section in my header.

I know the tradition of the slouch hat, and of the very specific type of badge that pins it up. I know other traditions of the Australian military. I do not have an encyclopedic knowledge of the traditions of the military of other nations in the world, nor do I think I should be expected to. Ignorance is not disrespect.

Anyway, I strongly suspect that the crazylegs and SportinGoods are right about gbm's intent.

I also strongly suggest that you (crazeyal) request a change in the title of this thread. Godwin's law, good taste and accuracy would all suggest that you change it. After all, you're in no danger of being tossed into a concentration camp.

Oh. And the scavenger is a jackal. The fictional scientist is Jekyll. I'm not sure which you intended.

[DarthRetard]

Actually Seshat, the thread was not about you at all, and I'm terribly sorry you got that impression, I really am. The thread truly was intended for Jester, and I was a bit pissed off, I'll admit, that he insulted my corps twice, and that when i come over here, I make a post, in the forum "Things I Hate" make a post about something I HATE, and get the thread shut down, and get moderated poster status. I got hate email from a couple of posters now, and now I'm pretty much vilified.

[Saydrah]

Am I really the only one who's noticed the enormous farking hypocrisy of Darth's taking offense at the use of a word without attaching the appropriate value to its past use? I never really took issue with his username before, because I simply presumed that he isn't the type of person to attach great symbolic value to words-- I said my piece here, he didn't respond, he's on here plenty, so obviously he doesn't care and I won't waste my keystrokes trying to make him change the entire way he views language.

But suddenly when it's a word used jokingly that offends HIM, that has been involved in the sacrifice of lives in a group that HE is part of, the moderators are expected to step in and stop another member from casually tossing it out there as a tongue in cheek remark? Guess language DOES have symbolic value and the power to cause harm after all.

So, DarthRETARD, until you find a username that doesn't make light of a term that is still, to this day, regularly used to dehumanize people and excuse violence against them, I have zero sympathy for your need to keep the word "oorah" reserved for those who have served.

That said, I do appreciate those who serve in the armed forces. My grandfather served in WWII and as I watch the hospice people help him with his end of life decisions I am sad not for him, having lived a long life and quite ready to join his wife, but for the future generations who will never hear his war stories first hand. So, I don't want anyone thinking I simply don't respect the military. I just don't respect hypocrites.

ETA: Darth, I PMed you politely to express this same opinion since I couldn't post it in your thread. I hope you did not construe my PM- rewritten twice so as to ensure I showed adequate sensitivity and respect to your military service- as hate email. Considering that you are a high school debate coach, I doubt that you're referring to me, as your training would doubtless include the difference between hate and respectful disagreement.

[horror]

Am I really the only one who's noticed the enormous farking hypocrisy of Darth's taking offense at the use of a word without attaching the appropriate value to its past use?

[snip]

But suddenly when it's a word used jokingly that offends HIM, that has been involved in the sacrifice of lives in a group that HE is part of, the moderators are expected to step in and stop another member from casually tossing it out there as a tongue in cheek remark? Guess language DOES have symbolic value and the power to cause harm after all.

Oh snap.
You know, I was thinking the very same thing as you, Saydrah. Now I've never been one to personally take offense to words, or even really notice them - unless they're being purposely, and obviously, used in an offensive manner - but the irony of the nature of the post, coupled with his username, was too much for me to NOT be punched in the face by it.

I understand his point, but I can't help but feel that it loses some of its credibility, due to the fact that he's taken a word that holds certain connotations and used it in such a manner.
It's exactly the same as people using oorah with other meanings and connotations.

I as well hope no one thinks of me as anti-military. I'm not from the US, but I do have the utmost respect for their armed forces.
On top of that my grandfather is a WWII vet, my brother is in the navy, and my boyfriend is in the army.

Edited due to the fact that upon re-reading my comment, "nullified" was definitely the wrong word to use.

[DarthRetard]

You guys are indeed missing the point. Yes, I apologize for the insult that my username may give off, and heck, when I find a good one, I'll change it. It was just the first thing that popped into my head. I don't think you understand hypocrisy though, and where are the mods when im getting beaten over the head right now? Huh? Nazi moderators is right Crazeyal. There's a hierarchy here, and we all see it now.

My point was that he(jester) was PURPOSELY insulting the marine corps. I havent made any snide remarks about people with mental disabilities, or anything like that. Go look up something before you label someone with such a tone.

[Spiffy McMoron]

You know what I hate? When people use the word "Nazi" to describe anything that they see as evil. Only a fool would argue that Nazis were sunshine and giggles, but what's wrong with using the following to describe evil?

-Communist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)
-Feudal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal)
-Ugandan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin)
-Canadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_residential_school_system)
-French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror)
-American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion)
-Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition)
-Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crusades)
-Colonialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade)
-Mercantilism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State)

Well, as least the Khmer Rouge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge) had a song written about them (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eyROvw6zbY), so I guess I'm not 100% accurate.

:o ;)

[Saydrah]

I think the "Why is Communism Bad" thread addresses that first one, but the rest, yeah, I see your point :D

[Rapscallion]

and where are the mods when im getting beaten over the head right now? Huh?

Well, I haven't seen a report button being hit, but I do see you attacking others quite merrily, and then claiming that you're being attacked when people react in the same way as you do, but from the other direction. We're also more lenient on what happens on this board.

You've had hate mail from other members? There's a hint there. Maybe, just maybe, your actions are anathema to them.

Hierarchy? Damn right there is. Since I took over it's been a Rapocracy. I pay for the place, I say what goes. Play nice and you can stay in the sandpit as much as you want. Stop playing nice we'll want you to leave, but we'll drop hints first. I'm not forcing you to stay - you are.

Rapscallion

[DarthRetard]

I never attacked anyone as a person, I attacked that person's statement. That's the point that's being missed here. You can all go fuck yourselves. I'm done with this board and the people who support the assholes who run it.

[Spiffy McMoron]

You guys are indeed missing the point. Yes, I apologize for the insult that my username may give off, and heck, when I find a good one, I'll change it. It was just the first thing that popped into my head. I don't think you understand hypocrisy though, and where are the mods when im getting beaten over the head right now? Huh? Nazi moderators is right Crazeyal. There's a hierarchy here, and we all see it now.

My point was that he(jester) was PURPOSELY insulting the marine corps. I havent made any snide remarks about people with mental disabilities, or anything like that. Go look up something before you label someone with such a tone.

I've read the thread in question. Jester was not insulting the Marines. His big issues was he simply did not want his niece dating a 21-year-old. The fact that he was a Marine was an issue, insofar as Jester was worried that NG (to use the terms from the thread) might be pressured by his buddies to disrespect Jester's niece. Jester met NG, liked him and thought he was nice, but was still nervous about the situation. Overanxious, to be sure, but insulting? I don't think so.

Several people have mentioned--in this thread and the other--that they have nothing but the utmost respect for the Marines and for the member's of their own countries armed forces. I'm no exception to this; I have a profound respect and gratitude for those that have, are, or will join the Canadian Armed Forces.

As for the "Nazi Moderator" tag, I have a couple of points:

1) Fratching was a place designed to have less involvement from moderating staff, to initiate discussion and debate that would not be present on CS.
2) There are several people who would like a looser moderating style on CS. Fair enough. But one of the reasons why many people love CS is because we don't allow flaming and troll baiting. When we (the moderating team) try to loosen up a bit, people start to report posts that were marginal, in an attempt to bring "order", for lack of a better word, back to the board.
3) See my previous post about Nazi as an adjective.
4) I'm failing to see why you seem so angry about there being a hierarchy. Darth, you were in the Marines, a place that thrives on hierarchy. I'm not saying hierarchy is a good or bad thing, but it does seem...unusual...that you're so against it.

[Seshat]

Actually Seshat, the thread was not about you at all, and I'm terribly sorry you got that impression, I really am.

Apology accepted. I withdraw my previous objections, since they were unfounded.

Thank you.

[AFPheonix]

This is how I feel about this thread. (http://www.webhittz.com/2008/02/wedgie.html)

[Rapscallion]

I'm trying to work out if that's good or bad. I mean, I'm seeing the underwear of an apparently attractive girl, so...

Rapscallion

[Rapscallion]

I never attacked anyone as a person, I attacked that person's statement.

Huh? Nazi moderators is right Crazeyal.

Try reading what you wrote before writing about it.

Rapscallion

[ArenaBoy]

I never attacked anyone as a person, I attacked that person's statement. That's the point that's being missed here. You can all go fuck yourselves. I'm done with this board and the people who support the assholes who run it.

I've never had problems with you but I'm posting this again for this reason: We had an asshole on a Chelsea forum come on here and attacked everybody who disagreed with him. Everybody. One mod who's known for being harsh posted this. So allow me to post this again:


This forum is not a democracy. Its a dictatorship. We make sure the threads and posts run on time. I don't even claim to be particularly benevolent.
However, we are not without sympathy. If you wish to rail against the perceived injustices done to you, you may do so from somewhere else. Because, like it or not, you don't have any "freedom" or "democracy" here. This isn't an organized system of government. Its a community. Its a community that has evolved over a long number of years. Some members have come and some have gone. But it remains. And if you want to be a part of that, you should play by its rules. And if you don't, then no one forces you to post here.

You have two choices. You can take part in our little totalitarian message board (Hail Grimes!) that has served us so well over the past half decade (or more!) and act in a manner that people find tolerable. It does mean not disagreeing - it means disagreeing respectfully. Your other option, is to demand that everyone else changes to accomodate you. Which you're entitled to try, of course, though I suspect you won't obtain the result you're looking for.

Read it, and take it into consideration. I've never had a problem with you. But this is out of line.

Am I really the only one who's noticed the enormous farking hypocrisy of Darth's taking offense at the use of a word without attaching the appropriate value to its past use?

If the mods didn't like it, they would've have asked him to change his name. He's been here for a while and they've never had a problem with it. And read up the origins of retard. You'd be surprised.

Man people need a thick skin at times and this is one of them.

[Saydrah]

Did I ask if the mods gave a crap about his username? No. I know they don't. I may disagree with their choice to permit the widespread use of that word on CS, but they're the mods, I'm not, and I'm here bitching about the people who choose to use it, not the mods who decided to allow it. If I don't like the moderation here, I'll leave. Simple enough.

I asked if anyone else has noticed that he's being a hypocrite.

Re: Word Origins

Faggot originally meant "a bundle of sticks" and Fag in some areas means "a cigarette." Should we start letting everyone say faggot as an insult without calling them hateful? Does the fact that its origins are benign make Matthew Shepard any less dead? A word used to promote hate and violence is not an appropriate insult, no matter what its origins. If I started going around punching people with brown hair and calling them "Cocoa Muffins," for me, cocoa muffins would be hate speech, and if it spread across the country, it would be inappropriate to use "cocoa muffins" as a casual insult, and disrepectful to those hurt for being "cocoa muffins."

[AFPheonix]

I'm trying to work out if that's good or bad. I mean, I'm seeing the underwear of an apparently attractive girl, so...

Rapscallion

It's a visual of someone with their panties in a bunch ;)
Which is about all this thread is, and it needs a virtual butt picking.

As to the whole premise that people don't have respect for military service people?
Seriously?
Color me stupid, but it's probably far less pc to be hating on military than it is to hate on blacks. Grow up and grow a pair.

[ArenaBoy]

Did I ask if the mods gave a crap about his username? No. I know they don't. I may disagree with their choice to permit the widespread use of that word on CS, but they're the mods, I'm not, and I'm here bitching about the people who choose to use it, not the mods who decided to allow it. If I don't like the moderation here, I'll leave. Simple enough.

I asked if anyone else has noticed that he's being a hypocrite.

No sign of hypocrisy from what I can see.

Re: Word Origins

Faggot originally meant "a bundle of sticks" and Fag in some areas means "a cigarette." Should we start letting everyone say faggot as an insult without calling them hateful? Does the fact that its origins are benign make Matthew Shepard any less dead? A word used to promote hate and violence is not an appropriate insult, no matter what its origins. If I started going around punching people with brown hair and calling them "Cocoa Muffins," for me, cocoa muffins would be hate speech, and if it spread across the country, it would be inappropriate to use "cocoa muffins" as a casual insult, and disrepectful to those hurt for being "cocoa muffins."

The English language changes on a constant basis. Add the fact that there are numerous regions that speak it and it's own differences. I would suggest doing what France does and have a institution dedicated to the English language but there'd be so many headaches it's not even funny. And see my comment on the other thread.

[gbm85]

crazeyal, you obviously have trouble with reading comprehension.

If you would read my post in that thread, you would clearly see that I was closing it because of personal attacks.

DarthRetard has said himself it was directed at Jester. Therefore, the command "Shut the fuck up" is a personal attack on another member.

Members do not bring up problems with the moderators in public. Ever. Not even on Fratching. I'm assuming Raps is allowing this thread to continue because both sides obviously need to get this off their chests.

That is why the thread was closed.

Fratching is not a free-for-all. It is a relaxed site intended for debate and controversial topics. It is not, however, an "anything goes" site.

I think the fact that a thread was closed on Fratching (for the first time, as far as I know) should tell you something about the person who started that thread.

[Greenday]

I was tempted to just stay out of this one, but you know what? I like the mods here. I like them a lot. I have been on CS since I was 15. Now, in the four years I've been around, I didn't agree with everything the mods did. But if there's one thing I can be sure of, it's that they've been fair.

gbm already posted why the other thread was closed down. The entire thread was a personal attack. And the threads are not meant for personal attacks. Fratchings is to discuss controversial topics that are inappropriate on CS.

Oh, one more thing: I agree with Raps, the only thing I saw was a girl with underwear riding up her ass. Thanks for the webpage!

[BookstoreEscapee]

I would suggest doing what France does and have a institution dedicated to the English language but there'd be so many headaches it's not even funny.

Would never work. The English language is a word-whore and proud of it. For good or ill (have you seen some of the "words" that have been added to the Oxford English Dictionary in recent years?) - along with the great pleasure we sometimes get a rash.... :)


[/ot - continue with your argument]

[Ree]

Man...I go to work for a day and miss all the fun.

I find it interesting that this whole mess began over a misunderstanding and offense that was taken due to the misuse of a simple phrase.

Language is a funny thing.
Let's dissect, shall we?

Nazi moderators?
Hmm

Na·zi (nät'sē, năt'-) n., pl. -zis.
1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
adj.
Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
[German, short for Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei, National Socialist German Workers' Party.]

I'm a Roman Catholic with conservative leanings, but fairly liberal overall.

"I am not now, nor ever have been, to the best of my recollection, a member of the nazi party, sir!"

Do I have an opinion about the way the CS forum should be run that might ruffle the feathers of those who feel free speech should reign supreme and every post is a free-for-all like some of those other lesser quality sites where anything and everything goes?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do!

I have reread Jester's posts several times. I still don't see how DarthRetard could have taken it as an insult to the Marine Corps.

His main concern was that, being 21 and a Marine, the young man would be a lot more experienced in the ways of the world than his 17 year old niece.

He jokingly said that, if the guy gave him any reason to, he would hurt him, Marine or not!!

As a last thought, he added a phrase that is synonymous with the marines, "oorah"

That was seen as an insult and taking a valued phrase in vain.

In an effort to understand why "oorah" evoked such strong reactions, I wanted to find out what it meant.

Interesting, but the history of that word only goes back about 50 years.

Prior to that, marines did not use that term at all.

Even now, there are mixed feelings about it.

I came across a Marine Corps message board in my search.

It has its origins in the "Aarugha" noise that the klaxon alarm makes when the subs are diving:
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/0/5e9ec5069a2612df85256fea0055d070?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,Oorah

DarthRetard made it seem like all Marines would die defending their right to utter that call, but the board I saw was very heavily against the use of that word, and many found it distasteful or silly.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/52192/message/978577480/OohRah-%20Post%20Your%20Response%20Here!

Those are just opinions, though. Everyone is entitled to theirs.

If other Marines aren't getting bent out of shape about an "attack" on that phrase, then I am left scratching my head at how this whole mess got so out of hand so quickly.

As to the OP here, crazeyal, you are correct that we direct the members to fratching repeatedly.
This site does give more leeway, but we still expect there to be some measure of respect.

I am not the mod who closed the thread, but I can tell you that having the member come over here and make a post telling people who joke about that phrase to "Shut The Fuck Up," was not how this site was intended to be used.

There are ways to get the point across without resorting to vulgar rants and profanity.

Furthermore, an accusation was made that the mods were attacking Darth as well.
For the record, I PM'ed him and told him to use the report button if he had a problem with the way Jester had worded his posts.
If that's attacking, then I stand guilty, apparently.

Nobody owes you an explanation, crazeyal, but since you decided to post this rant that was designed to cause controversy and piss off some mods, I figured it wouldn't kill to offer some explanation.

I am sorry you are upset with the way the moderating is being done.

If you would kindly fill out the proper forms, we will refund your membership fees and remove you from our mailing list.

Whoops, my bad....there is no membership fee, and you came here freely, and of your own accord.
Well colour me embarrassed.

[Seshat]

If the mods didn't like it, they would've have asked him to change his name.

Actually, quite a few members have usernames I don't like. :p How someone else chooses to express themselves is none of my business, as long as it's worksafe and isn't clearly an attack on someone else. Other mods have different criteria, but I'm pretty sure we all have those two.

(BTW: If we don't pick up on something that should be moderated, please let us know!)


As for the English language: it follows other languages down dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and goes through their pockets for spare grammar.

(I wish I could claim that as my own, alas, it's my memory of a quote. Google isn't kind enough to give me an authoritative original, either. :( My google-fu is weak today.)

[blas87]

AMEN, Ree!

I will like to flat out admit, I am the person (unless someone else did it too) who reported the post on CS.com. I'm hoping Darth learns next time to not be afraid of the report button.

Mods, just like CSRs and employees where we work, are not psychic (well sometimes I think Ree and Raps are ;)) and they won't know something is wrong until it's brought up!

[myswtghst]

I've found so many things to respond to on here, I just don't know where to start. I've only been around for a year or so, but I really do appreciate the way things are moderated around here, and on CS.com as well. I've been "warned" once that something I posted might be taken the wrong way, thanks to a PM from Ree, was able to have open discourse with her about it, and modify my post/respond in a way to make my point clearer. To me, that seems like quite awesome moderating. *shrugs*

I am yet another with ample respect for the Armed Forces - my grandpa was a Marine, and one of my bestest friends is in the Navy, just to mention a few of the people I love and respect who are involved. But I have to agree that Darth got a bit out of hand back over on CS.com. I did not see where Jester "insulted" Marines. I believe he made a point, which Darth concurred with, that Marines might be more mature - take that as you will. Jester has every right to be concerned with who his niece dates, even if we mostly didn't agree with him - heck, half of us spent that thread calling him the hypocrite!

I'm grateful to be a part of this community, which doesn't allow personal attacks on other members. I'd rather watch my mouth occasionally, and be respectful, while not worrying about defending myself constantly, than be somewhere that's a free for all, or is overly mod-ed due to bad behavior. And besides - this place is Raps' - he can do whatever he likes with it, and we should just be grateful he gives us a place to connect and run our mouths. :D

[crazylegs]

and I was a bit pissed off, I'll admit, that he insulted my corps twice,


Darth,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/06/npolice206.xml

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=1055

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=181429&command=displayContent&sourceNode=229968&home=yes&more_nodeId1=133174&contentPK=19737918

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/26/npolice126.xml

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=1110

The above links are merely a tiny handful of the constant, ever present negative press surrounding my job. Do I take it personally, do I feel the need to reply to each person, no on both counts. What I do is I go out there and I do my job, I do it well and I do it consistently.

By being good at my job that is by far the best way that people will be convinced about what I do. Does all this negative press get to me, occasionally, but I knew there was negative press when I joined, in the same way I'm sure you knew there are some people who have a less than perfect vision of the USMC.

I guess what I am trying to say is I think you're being a bit too thin skinned about this, there will always be someone you find who will say something you don't like about the Corps, in whatever way they do so, but reacting in the manner you did is perhaps not the best way to convince others that Marines aren't all hot headed.

(if you want to find more bad press about my job just head over to google and tap in PCSO and any negative adjective you can think of)

[powerboy]

I think attacking Darth is way out of line. He is sensitive about it, and he is expressing his thoughts about it. And he gets attacked. Yeah he could have done it a different way. But if something pisses you off real badly, then sometimes you just don't think.

[Ree]

...if something pisses you off real badly, then sometimes you just don't think.Yeah, that's true, but when you have several people saying, "I understand why you're upset, but you need to calm down and take a step back," and you go off and explode anyway, that isn't just reacting without thinking.

That's having a chip on your shoulder and an axe to grind, and really, really wanting to do it publicly and in the loudest way possible.


Oooh...and to the OP, again...thanks to a cute little link posted by Spiffy, I remembered something that is very relevant here.

Godwin's law:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

and a corollary:
"There is a corollary which roughly states that the invocation of Nazi/Hitler reduces the information content of the thread to zero."

[AFPheonix]

The above links are merely a tiny handful of the constant, ever present negative press surrounding my job. Do I take it personally, do I feel the need to reply to each person, no on both counts. What I do is I go out there and I do my job, I do it well and I do it consistently.


(if you want to find more bad press about my job just head over to google and tap in PCSO and any negative adjective you can think of)

Tell me about it. When it's a slow news day, it's apparently exposé on pharmacy tech times.
Never fails, Dateline or some other such news rag will do some breathless report on how NON-PHARMACISTS are counting your pills down and PHARMACY ERRORS OHMYGOD time, and I get to deal with twitterpated old ladies for weeks afterward.
Then they proceed to bitch that it's gonna take me 30 minutes to get the script done. Well hell lady, you don't want me to screw up and put a chemo drug in here, right? Well, give me enough time then.

[Greenday]

Never fails, Dateline or some other such news rag will do some breathless report on how NON-PHARMACISTS are counting your pills down and PHARMACY ERRORS OHMYGOD time, and I get to deal with twitterpated old ladies for weeks afterward.

We're at the point and time where we don't even bother counting pills. We just dump a bunch of pills through a counter and it does it for us. Does it really matter if a pharmacist or a technician does it?

[AFPheonix]

They took away our electronic scales, corporate decided that we were indeed far faster hand counting than the scales were at weighing. They at least let us keep the scanners to help prevent mis-dispense errors.
Ours were down all last week. Oh my god, what a pain in the ass....

It really shouldn't matter, because techs all have to be at least licensed through the state, and in my state, we will be required to be licensed nationally as well, which involves taking the PTCB exam.
Furthermore, everything we do is checked over by the pharmacist. While we're responsible to a degree for mistakes, the pharmacist is ultimately responsible as he is our supervisor.
But it doesn't matter if it's a slow news day and John Stossel wants to make a special with a fuzzy light filter. CURSE YOU PHARMACY TECHS! (shakes fist)

[BookstoreEscapee]

As for the English language: it follows other languages down dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and goes through their pockets for spare grammar.

(I wish I could claim that as my own, alas, it's my memory of a quote. Google isn't kind enough to give me an authoritative original, either. :( My google-fu is weak today.)


Apparently my google-fu is strong.

http://paizo.com/store/apparel/tShirts/pegasusPublishing/v5748btpy7roh

I think I may have found a new sig, if you don't mind... :)

[CancelMyService]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4051/picardnofacepalmod7.th.jpg


Also, and I know this is a sweeping generalization based on a small sample, Marines tend to be the most sensitive tough guys ever. I mean, no one doubts they do some rough ass work, but the slightest criticism sends them in a tizzy of outrage. You'd think dudes that survived the Island would be able to handle some mean internet words.

[SportinGoods]

Tell me about it. When it's a slow news day, it's apparently exposé on pharmacy tech times.
Never fails, Dateline or some other such news rag will do some breathless report on how NON-PHARMACISTS are counting your pills down and PHARMACY ERRORS OHMYGOD time, and I get to deal with twitterpated old ladies for weeks afterward.
Then they proceed to bitch that it's gonna take me 30 minutes to get the script done. Well hell lady, you don't want me to screw up and put a chemo drug in here, right? Well, give me enough time then.

OT: Tonight on the news we had a expose on the misuse of pyrex. It wasn't clearly stated enough on the labels that taking a hot dish full of food out of a 400 degree oven and putting it on a cold counter is a bad idea. This is what happens when there is no news.

[CancelMyService]

I work for a large cable company, so at times we have all 3 local news stations running stories on how to call in and scream/threaten your way to a lower bill. Some are more measured, advising people to call in and negotiate, others (usually during sweeps periods) are all "WHAT YOUR CABLE COMPANY DOESN'T *WANT* YOU TO KNOW", which means everyone who calls in for the next week has that "I know you're lying to me" condesending tone.

[Sportsmom]

Man...I go to work for a day and miss all the fun.



And that, Ree, is why you should never go to work again. :p


Seriously, though, I have nothing but the utmost respect for any branch of the service. My husband, father, one of my brothers, a cousin and several friends all served, and my nephew is currently serving in Iraq. I would venture so far as to say that most of our members have respect for the armed services or at least it's members.


That being said, that being said, if you think someone is being disrespectful, here's what you do ...

1. think about it, take a few minutes to do it, too. Hell, take a few days if you need them.

If you still think they are being disrespectful after doing number 1, then move on to number 2...

2. Bend over
3. Grab your big girl panties and hitch them up.
4. DEAL WITH IT!

You don't make things better by being disrespectful or attacking someone else.

[Seshat]

Apparently my google-fu is strong.

http://paizo.com/store/apparel/tShirts/pegasusPublishing/v5748btpy7roh

I think I may have found a new sig, if you don't mind... :)

Not in the least! I bow to your Google-fu.

[Jester]

Wow. Four pages of discussion about this. I am really stunned that this all happened and got to this point, really.

Seeing as I am, reluctantly, in the center of this whole firestorm, I feel I should probably say a few things.

My point was that he(jester) was PURPOSELY insulting the marine corps.

Not only did I not purposely insult the Marine Corps in the post in question, I have never in my life insulted the Marine Corps as a whole. (I have purposely insulted individual Marines, but because they were assholes, not because they were Marines.)

My views on the Marines and this topic are pretty well dilineated in my last post in the thread about my niece and her new boyfriend, so I won't repeat it here, but if anyone wants to read it again (or for the first time) themselves, they'll find it right here (http://customerssuck.com/board/showpost.php?p=277406&postcount=45).
I also sent a copy of that AND an additional apology/explanation to Darth via the email link by his name, though I do not know if he received or read it.

I must point out that my apology/explanation to Darth was NOT for using the phrase in question as I did, but for any possible insult he may have taken from such, as insulting or offending the Marines or him was not my intention.

The reason I did not apologize for how I used the phrase is simple: I didn't see anything wrong with how I used it. My comments were as follows:

So my eldest niece Princess has a new boyfriend.

A 21 year old Marine.

She's 17, and in high school.

(main body of commentary removed for brevity)

"Ooo Ra" indeed. *grumble grumble*

My use of the phrase in question was simply a frustrated verbal rolling of the eyes and pulling of the hair as I was trying to deal with a difficult subject for me. Ree put it more eloquently than I am able to:

I still don't see how DarthRetard could have taken it as an insult to the Marine Corps.

His main concern was that, being 21 and a Marine, the young man would be a lot more experienced in the ways of the world than his 17 year old niece.

I hope I have cleared up some things here, to Darth and others. I would like to point out also that I had nothing to do with Darth's discipline by the moderators: I did not complain about his comments about me in any way, was not even aware of them until after the discipline had taken place, and was actually against the discipline, and said so to more than one moderator. I like Darth, I like reading his posts, and I think he just misconstrued what I was trying to convey. I am not, however, questioning the moderartor's right to mete out such discipline, lest someone else misconstrue what I am saying.

And before I somehow manage to unwittingly put my knee in my mouth, I think I am going to go look at some recipes. Hopefully I can read and write about food without sparking yet another controversy. :)

[Zyanya]

Oh for heaven's sake. Being a marine does not make you a super human. Being in the military doesn't make you special or by default 'good'. Many who joing the military do so because 'ooh, gun and uniform', just like there is a sad subset of humanity attracted to the thought of being a cop.

Who you are matters. Not the uniform you wear or wore a decade ago. I'll respect you if you deserve it. If you demand respect simply because you wear the uniform, well, experience has taught me that means you aren't the sort of person that deserves respect.

The veterans I know who are actual heroes don't brag about what they did in the various wars they served in. Most, you'd never know they were veterans unless you happened to find a picture of them in uniform or someone else told you. They are just people, doing what good people do.

In my experience, those that brag loudest about having 'served' are those that did the least.

[DesignFox]

Wow, I disappeared for ten days...I can't believe what I'm seeing! :(

I did not get to read the original thread in question, so there isn't much for me to say about the topic. But, even coming in late, I am shocked by what is happening.

Here, of all places, we have members attacking one another and attacking the moderators. I find that extremely disappointing. Especially since most of this stems over some misunderstandings over a few simple words.

Yikes. :eek:

I am, once again, going to state to the moderators that I appreciate what they are doing. I cringed reading some of these posts (in multiple threads related to this incident) and I can't fathom what these boards would turn into if the mods weren't around.

[DarthRetard]

Again, I'll refer everyone to my thread I posted in this very same section. I came to my senses, and even though I was a little miffed, i did misconstrue some things, and I hope Jester has read the thread as well. My banning from CS was a request, because I was (and still somewhat am, but it's a past issue) upset.

[crazylegs]

I'm pretty sure this thread has all it can handle, shall we put it down and step away from it ladies and gents?

[Boozy]

I'm pretty sure this thread has all it can handle, shall we put it down and step away from it ladies and gents?

Amen.

But by the time a dozen people (who had nothing to do with the original dispute I might add) have chimed in with their two cents....the whole damn thing has been blown way out of proportion. Of course the moderators may have felt the need to respond. Why did anyone else?

In my humble opinion: This thread should have died right after the word "Nazi" was used in the title. That's how much credibility there was to this complaint to begin with.

[horror]

In my humble opinion: This thread should have died right after the word "Nazi" was used in the title. That's how much credibility there was to this complaint to begin with.

I couldn't agree with you more here. I also agree with what you said about the use of this word in the thread about the preacher.

"Nazi" is the absolute wrong term. It's rude, beyond offensive, and makes the argument fickle and childish.

[AFPheonix]

May I make a request? Can we just close this one down so people who don't pay attention to the last post date and can't resist adding their 2 cents are not able to?
It's not like there's anywhere else for this discussion to go.

[Rapscallion]

The board, and this thread in particular, are pressure valves, so it's good to have outlets on here. It's quite nice to see that people were willing to stand up and defend the way the CS.com is run.

Rapscallion

[blas87]

I personally think anyone who really hates CS and its moderators that much should just leave.

[Seshat]

The 'net is big enough for everyone. To be honest, I don't understand people who stay where they don't trust the owners or moderators. However, if people choose to stay, it's their choice.

As near as I can tell, Raps' policy is to let anyone who wants to stay, stay - so long as they follow the rules. His site, his choice, if I don't like it I'm free to set up my own CS. :) As it happens, his policy suits me fine.

[claidhmore]

As a veteran of message board moderating, I have to say that the modding here (and the other boards) is just fine, but also that by and large the people posting are great too. There's always going to be a little cliquishness, but it looks like it doesn't interfere with the moderation from what I've observed.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Oooh...and to the OP, again...thanks to a cute little link posted by Spiffy, I remembered something that is very relevant here.

Godwin's law:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

and a corollary:
"There is a corollary which roughly states that the invocation of Nazi/Hitler reduces the information content of the thread to zero."

I was about to post that; also, another handy hint on that video; Respect the Admins cuz doing otherwise is like going to your aunt's house and curling one out in the teapot. XD

Anyhoo, I have boards I can go on to rant, rave and post insulting stuff with likeminded people; CS is not one of them. Excellent work, admins and mods. ^^

[the_std]

I would like to say that, while I might not agree with some things Darth said, I greatly respect the fact that he took himself out of the community rather than seethe and let this incident taint his participation on the CS board. A lot of people would have let themselves "release their anger" and ended up burning even more bridges.