Is Civil Unrest "Imminent"?

[IDrinkaRum]

Democratic strategist, James Carville, has said if things with the economy/unemployment don't improve, civil unrest will be happening soon (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Carville-Obama-Clinton-civilunrest/2011/06/06/id/398990?s=al&promo_code=C639-1#ixzz1Ob89M44g)

Do you actually believe this?

I was listening to The Chris Plante show on one of the local AM radio stations (http://www.wmal.com/blog.asp?id=37443). He was playing Mr. Carville's statements because last week, he had had a caller who called in (from suburban Virginia) who said he and his wife were getting guns (2 - 1 for him & 1 for her), stock piling ammunition, stock piling other things, but it was the guns/ammunition this guy was worried about because of what is happening in Washington and the rest of the country. The very next day, another guy called in saying caller #1 was crazy, he didn't need to stockpile ammunition/guns because there will be no riots or anything else.

However, now here is James Carville, a Democrat, saying that if the change Obama claimed would come our way if we elected him President doesn't show up soon, there will be civil unrest.

It was also mentioned that people in DC don't understand what is going on in the suburbs of DC or any other place in the U.S. as there are always government jobs around here so unemployment isn't that bad in the DC Metro area.

So, is civil unrest due to the flailing economy and the unemployment a likely scenario?

[HYHYBT]

I wouldn't expect it... but it does make me glad to live on the outskirts of nowhere, so to speak. We have a pretty simple system: if you don't like what the government is doing, elect someone else.

[FArchivist]

So, is civil unrest due to the flailing economy and the unemployment a likely scenario?

1) No, I do not believe civil unrest to be likely. Isolated riots and violent protests? Yes. But total civil unrest? No.
2) If there are people who do attempt to engage in rioting, they'll be put down so fast their heads will spin. It isn't 1776; Billy Bob and his shotgun cannot stand up to a round of CNDM canisters.

[Boozy]

So, is civil unrest due to the flailing economy and the unemployment a likely scenario?

It depends on your definition of "civil unrest".

I would consider civil unrest to be like the massive uprisings we're seeing in the Middle East right now. In which case, no. It's not going to happen in the US.

The US, despite it's economic problems, is simply too rich for civil unrest in that scale. Your average Joe don't take arms against their government unless they have nothing to lose.

[Andara Bledin]

First off, the while the economy isn't moving much at the moment, it's up from where it had been at the end of last year. If there was going to be civil unrest, it would have happened before or near the bottom of the slump, and it didn't. At this point, so long as people don't panic (and nobody drives them to panic >_> ), there shouldn't be a problem.

Second, as mentioned, people who have something left to lose don't become violent out of nowhere. The economy, of itself, is not enough to push people to that point. If it were to happen, there would be other factors at work.

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[Greenday]

No, we aren't due for any revolutions any time soon. People don't give a crap enough to go through with it. And the down economy is not seriously affecting enough people for a revolution. The economy isn't really even close to the Great Depression and we managed not to go crazy and overthrow our government then.

[insertNameHere]

While Obama is the number one gun salesman in America, I really doubt there will be a massive civil unrest. However, I acquire guns and ammo because shooting is a hobby of mine. I love the people who buy guns because the world is gonna end, and don't have the slightest fucking idea how to load one let allow shoot with any form of accuracy.

Now if they try and ban firearms, you will have massive turmoil, but as unemployment stands right now, I don't see massive riots forming anytime soon.

[Sleepwalker]

Meh, I expect crime to rise, but not general civil unrest. It'd take more than this shitty economy for that.

Now, if welfare continues to be cut? Maybe. Not many would fight if they and theirs were still fed and clothed.

[Rapscallion]

There was a 'great depression' about 80-90 years back in the US. Didn't generate a civil war or similar from what I've heard.

Rapscallion

[Greenday]

There was a 'great depression' about 80-90 years back in the US. Didn't generate a civil war or similar from what I've heard.

Rapscallion

In fact, the Great Depression gave way to the boom of the middle class being awesome. So while this might suck right now, it can be even better later.

[ExRetailDrone]

Although, wasn't one of the main things that got us out of the Great Depression back then our entrance into WWII? Which then helped advance the middle class? Still wasn't civil unrest, though.

[NateSean]

I don't know, personally I'm terrified of the potential Twitter/Facebook outcry that will doubtless be the cornerstone of this civil unrest.

[Greenday]

I don't know, personally I'm terrified of the potential Twitter/Facebook outcry that will doubtless be the cornerstone of this civil unrest.

Why? It only makes sense that people would use the easiest forms of mass comunication to conduct something like this.

[fireheart17]

I don't know, personally I'm terrified of the potential Twitter/Facebook outcry that will doubtless be the cornerstone of this civil unrest.

The Cronulla riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronulla_riots) were formed via text message.

It started out as something simple, but then turned into an outright mob courtesy of texts.

And just reading the Wiki article, I knew that the riots were mainly focusing on middle-eastern appearance, but they wound up burning down a Pacific Uniting Church :eek:

[protege]

And just reading the Wiki article, I knew that the riots were mainly focusing on middle-eastern appearance, but they wound up burning down a Pacific Uniting Church :eek:

That's like the G20 idiots we had here in Pittsburgh last year. These assholes were claiming that they were protesting large corporations and rich countries. Yet, most of the victims from the disturbances...were family-owned restaurants, businesses, and franchises. Entities...that had *nothing* to do with G20, yet were targeted simply because they were there :rolleyes:

Somewhat-more-on-topic, were the 1968 riots here. These started in many cities after MLK was murdered. Ours lasted from 4/5 to 4/12...and didn't really accomplish much. Politically, that is. What really happened, is that the riots-- which centered around the Hill District, which was (and is) a black neighborhood--basically ruined what had once been thriving neighborhoods....turning them into ghost towns overnight. The jazz clubs, restaurants, and other businesses (both white- *and* black-owned) were burnt to the ground. During the riots, what few white people who lived in the Hill, were targeted simply because of their skin color. People, who fled the area, and took their dollars with them. Even now, 43 years on, the area still hasn't recovered, and probably never will.

[mikoyan29]

I wouldn't say it is imminent but if things keep going the way they are, it might happen.

[insertNameHere]

A few years ago, the neo-nazis came to Toledo to march. Everyone was pissed.... actually the neo-nazi showed up and the police convinced them to leave because they were prepared to secure the park area where they wanted to have their protest i guess. instead the nazi wanted to have a parade..... They left, never gave a speech had a parade, less than an hour after they leave you have a full blown riot where the blacks started to riot in protest and destoryed their own neighborhood and burnt some local businesses to the ground.... People tried to blame the nazis who has long since fled.

The moral of the story is people are fucking stupid and to prove they have hte power will destroy their own shit and blame it on someone else.

[AdminAssistant]

On the subject of riots, I highly recommend Anna Deavere Smith's Fires in the Mirror and Twilight: Los Angeles. She interviewed people involved with the Crown Heights riots and Rodney King riots (respectively) and performs them in a one-woman show. They were both taped and aired by PBS; you may be able to find them on Youtube. Very eye-opening into the destructive and hateful natures of people.

[Difdi]

They might be having some civil unrest in Minnesota soon. Turns out the government shutdown there already has or will soon prevent the renewal of licenses to various breweries and bars.

If nobody can make, sell or serve beer, it will lead to a beer shortage... :eek:

[EmiOfBrie]

The Tea Party wants to make cuts to the welfare system and disabled/elderly benefits.

They say there will be no civil unrest so long as people can watch their idiot boxes to see who will win the next American Idol or somesuch...

...but what if the cuts make them no longer able to afford their bread and circuses....and homes?

You'll have a shitload of poor and minorities on the street, with nothing to entertain them...

...and NOTHING TO LOSE!


....what happens when the bread and circuses STOP?

[smileyeagle1021]

EniofBri, speaking of the tea party, if Michelle Bachmann wins the election, this thread will no longer be asking if violence is imminent, but how long before it starts and how large it will get.
Michelle Bachmann has in the past spoken of being in favor of forced conversions to Christianity and forced "therapy" for gays and lesbians.

To be honest, Michelle Bachmann scares me so much, if she is nominated I WILL be buying a firearm to protect myself from her government, because I am not Christian, I am not straight, and I will not hesitate to kill any person who tries to force me to become either.

[Andara Bledin]

I am Christian and I am straight, and I'll still be buying a gun if she gets anywhere close to a position of power.

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[insertNameHere]

I am not christian, I am straight, I look for any reason to acquire another gun, so it really a non issue to me, although if civil unrest were imminent I probably would go for AR-15ish style, maybe in a .308WIN because well I want takedown power that the .223 just doesn't offer. Handguns are nice for up close protection as are shotguns, but in a roving mob situation I want to keep you 500M out. and well I already have access to plenty of handguns.

[Rapscallion]

I look for any reason to acquire another gun,

So, can we put you down as being 'on the fence' then?

Rapscallion

[mikoyan29]

How the hell do people even take a person like Bachmann seriously? For that matter, how the hell does anyone take that Jackass from Ohio seriously?

[insertNameHere]

So, can we put you down as being 'on the fence' then?

Rapscallion

Well if things were to get bad I would be more on the roof, or maybe I could construct a watch tower.

I honestly think something drastic would have to happen like a 9/11 times 10 to really plunge America into civil unrest.... such as kick all the leaches who depend on welfare but would be perfectly capable of providing for themselves if they had to off of it, so then the money could be used for those who actually need it. That might piss a lot of people off. Electing Sarah Palin makes people really uneasy, I don't see why as most of the presidents of late seem to be glorified puppets/ used car salesmen

[HYHYBT]

Well if things were to get bad . . . maybe I could construct a watch tower.If you like, but how would becoming a Jehovah's Witness help matters?

[insertNameHere]

If you like, but how would becoming a Jehovah's Witness help matters?

I have no idea where I said I was gonna become a Jehovah's Witness

[Andara Bledin]

I have no idea where I said I was gonna become a Jehovah's Witness
It's a joke.

The newsletter that Jehovah's Witnesses distribute is called The Watchtower, as is their official website.

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[HYHYBT]

Sorry; I was trying to lighten the mood a bit. Didn't mean to confuse anyone.

[insertNameHere]

Ah, yeah outside of them coming into my work because of the convention down the road they don't come out where I live. Probably something to do with distance between houses and people being well armed rednecks. I think my cousin scared them off years ago

[jackfaire]

At least around here I don't think so. Most people like me who are already on the lower class spectrum haven't really been affected by the economic downturn. Most of the people that seem to have been affected are middle class people who are freaking out because now they have to take jobs that people like me work gladly.

If they rioted those people would lose the very things they clung to on their way down the ladder.