Amy Winehouse gone

[LexiaFira]

yahoo news article (http://news.yahoo.com/police-singer-amy-winehouse-dies-165343714.html)

The article goes over her life and recording more than her death
I am upset because of her behavior and that she admits to being manic depressive but not doing anything about it. Via pills or seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist or even counselor.
I am sad because she was the one person that basically was made the black sheep of music or the highlight of tabloids due to her numerous times being on camera or photo high or worse.

She is similar to britney spears in that she has a mental disease and and is famous. very bad because everything you do good bad or otherwise will be in the news and she got the brunt of it. I am more upset because she did not do anything to stop it or if she did or others tried to help her not much was done or it failed. She is gone now because of how she lived her life be it frank of word and actions or loss of talent because she is gone.

I don't cry for her, i only feel loss because it really could have been prevented.
Just angry that she will now be a reference, for random example i was higher than amy winehouseor (other celebrity) which is saying something. IE negative reference in society

the fratching part being that why the hell did no one try to help her or when she WAS aware that she had manic depressive WHY did she refuse pills? not everyone is for medication but some can self manage to an extent and she didn't even want to do that, just get drunk and high and so on. mostly feel that she was stupid because she brought her own destruction and was full aware of it

[BlaqueKatt]

I don't cry for her, i only feel loss because it really could have been prevented.


the fratching part being that why the hell did no one try to help her or when she WAS aware that she had manic depressive WHY did she refuse pills? not everyone is for medication but some can self manage to an extent and she didn't even want to do that, just get drunk and high and so on. mostly feel that she was stupid because she brought her own destruction and was full aware of it

1-many people with mental illnesses "self-medicate" with drugs and alcohol.
2-you CANNOT force someone to get help
3-some of the medications to treat bi-polar disorder have HORRENDOUS side effects. I was misdiagnosed as bi-polar in my teens, I ALMOST DIED FROM THE MEDICATION ALONE(my liver has permanent damage), I also couldn't feel ANYTHING. No happy, no sad, no angry, just....nothing, totally emotionally dead. -here's a list (http://bipolar.about.com/cs/sfx/l/bl_side_index.htm) of medications used to treat bi polar disorder, click on the name for side effects-seizures, migraines, muscle spasms, loss of bladder control, slurred speech, loss of balance, vomiting, liver failure, thyroid problems, diabetes......sounds fantastic doesn't it!

4-considering the cause of death hasn't been released yet, I'm not jumping to the conclusion it was drugs. IT could've been a heart attack caused by her eating disorder, maybe she choked on a sandwich, maybe she was stabbed to death or strangled, maybe she had an allergic reaction to peanuts....until the report is in no one knows, but everyone is ASSUMING....

[Boozy]

....until the report is in no one knows, but everyone is ASSUMING....

When a known drug addict dies alone in their home, it ain't such a leap of logic to assume that it's an overdose.

[Boozy]

This is sort of crazy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

[LexiaFira]

2-you CANNOT force someone to get help
3-some of the medications to treat bi-polar disorder have HORRENDOUS side effects. I was misdiagnosed as bi-polar in my teens, I ALMOST DIED FROM THE MEDICATION ALONE(my liver has permanent damage), I also couldn't feel ANYTHING. No happy, no sad, no angry, just....nothing, totally emotionally dead. -here's a list (http://bipolar.about.com/cs/sfx/l/bl_side_index.htm) of medications used to treat bi polar disorder, click on the name for side effects-seizures, migraines, muscle spasms, loss of bladder control, slurred speech, loss of balance, vomiting, liver failure, thyroid problems, diabetes......sounds fantastic doesn't it!

4-considering the cause of death hasn't been released yet, I'm not jumping to the conclusion it was drugs. IT could've been a heart attack caused by her eating disorder, maybe she choked on a sandwich, maybe she was stabbed to death or strangled, maybe she had an allergic reaction to peanuts....until the report is in no one knows, but everyone is ASSUMING....

Wasn't implying that she be forced to get help. And having not gone through such medications I was unaware. I apologize for that HOWEVER that doesn't change that i'm angry that she is gone because of this and the crud of the 27 group....and how most of us look away about oh drugs got another one again. yeah well who did anything to stop or help her?

and not having self medicated with drugs I have not had that particular demon on my back. I got drunk maybe three times in my life and decided when sober i don't like that feeling and won't do it again. I very much like being in control of my own body.

[Andara Bledin]

and how most of us look away about oh drugs got another one again. yeah well who did anything to stop or help her?
According to another article written for AP by the same person who wrote the article linked in the OP, a lot of people tried to help her. She refused it. She wrote her own story, including the ending, which is unfortunate.

You cannot help someone that isn't willing to be helped.

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[Hyena Dandy]

I don't know much about Amy Winehouse, or the circumstances of her death. All I can say is that whatever it was that she did, death never makes the world better. I mourn for her, even though I know literally nothing about her other than her name.

[LexiaFira]

According to another article written for AP by the same person, a lot of people tried to help her. She refused it. She wrote her own story, including the ending, which is unfortunate.
You cannot help someone that isn't willing to be helped.

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didn't read that article. will do so. now it turns to why turn help down? denial? did she want to suffer? having gone through something similar i didn't want any of the mental issues i went through so I can't get why she wanted this kind of mental torment on herself without help. Maybe she thought she was strong enough to handle it on her own? heh sorry everyone needs help now and then even if we don't want to admit it...

[Mongo Skruddgemire]

I don't know much about Amy Winehouse, or the circumstances of her death. All I can say is that whatever it was that she did, death never makes the world better. I mourn for her, even though I know literally nothing about her other than her name.

I find myself in much the same situation. She was never in my circle of interest and so like you I know little about her other than her name and that one incidence when she was so #@$%ed up in Serbia she was booed off the stage for saying "Hello Athens!" and having to have her backup singers sing for her.

Being Wiccan, I believe that the death is tragic. However not knowing her or the circumstances of her death (and until I hear official reports will not speculate), I likely will not lose much (if any) sleep over it.

I just hope that she doesn't turn into another Michael Jackson where she is vilified in life and deified in death.

[Andara Bledin]

I just hope that she doesn't turn into another Michael Jackson where she is vilified in life and deified in death.
I don't actually see much of that with MJ. The people who thought he was a pedo still think he was a pedo, and the ones who go gaga over him were always gaga over him, they're just a little more-so, now.

^-.-^

[BlaqueKatt]

When a known drug addict dies alone in their home, it ain't such a leap of logic to assume that it's an overdose.

um oops (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43881464/ns/today-entertainment/)

Police sources say there was no sign of drugs in the home

you were saying?

[Andara Bledin]

A lack of drugs in the house (other than booze, that is), isn't the same as a lack of drugs in the body.

It's possible that she od'd. It's also possible that due to previous excesses, her body gave out. Or it could have been that she had some congenital defect that took her out.

Which one it was won't be known until the inquest reopens a minimum of four weeks from now, if it's to be known at all.

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[Boozy]

you were saying?

I said this:

When a known drug addict dies alone in their home, it ain't such a leap of logic to assume that it's an overdose.

Which is still true. It is a logical assumption, even it turns out to be incorrect in this particular instance.

[Ginger Tea]

TBH I'm surprised she lasted this long, I don't recall a photo of her where she wasn't out of it or a news article highlighting it.

I only know two of her songs, Rehab and the Mark Ronson cover of Valerie, other than that, she and Pete Doherty are only known for being well known junkies.

Pete Best used to be known as a footballer, then he was only known as an alchie, then when he died they kinda reminded us of the fact.

[Boozy]

I thought this one might be worth revisiting, since they've just released the official cause of death.

Turns out it was alcohol poisoning.

It seems when they say "no signs of drugs" in her home, they were only referring to illegal drugs.

[Andara Bledin]

I'll be happy when we stop having this artificial divide between alcohol and drugs and start treating alcohol, socially, as the recreational drug that it is.

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[LexiaFira]

just because a drug is legal or illegal doesn't change the fact that it is STILL a drug.
alcohol should be considered part of that for its a downer. what was it, uppers downers, narcotics, barbiturates and hallucinogens. i keep thinking i am forgetting one.

[Rapscallion]

I'll be happy when we stop having this artificial divide between alcohol and drugs and start treating alcohol, socially, as the recreational drug that it is.

It already is. I'm teetotal and all I have to say is that I don't drink, and people automatically know I don't mean water or fruit juice.

Rapscallion

[Andara Bledin]

You don't drink, yes. But if you said, "I don't do drugs," I rather suspect that most people would then ask, "Do you drink?" Because we've got this acceptance of alcohol as "ok" and "not really a drug" to the point where having a drink every night isn't really seen as any sort of problem, but if you were to smoke a single joint every night, there would be people talking all sorts of shit about how you're an addict or druggie.

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[Panacea]

Winehouse was also known for her alcohol abuse, so this really wasn't a surprise.

And alcohol and drug abuse tend to go hand in hand because as has been pointed out alcohol is a) a drug, and b) a downer.

What a shame. She was so very talented.

[senor boogie woogie]

To die of alcohol poisoning must mean that Winehouse drank a LOT of alcohol.

I drink. I am drinking now. I like wine. I can put away three to four bottles of wine in a sitting, and will probably do so tonight. I have gotten so drunk in the past that I could not walk at all without hitting the ground.

Usually my stopping point is me throwing up. 90% of the time it's game over and I stop/go home, although sometimes I feel good afterwards, like taking a good dump and I am back for a bit more. Then there is the hangover next day. I do not do the "hair of the dog", with me being repulsed by the smell of what I have drank the previous night and me the next day drinking lots of fluids and having "the bottle flu" the next day.

There are some differences. I am about 2.5 times the size of Amy Winehouse. I am a male. The only reason why I do not drink everyday is because of the hangovers and feeling like crap the next day. If I am so sick from drink that I am in my bed and have to puke, I wake up and puke. I'm not trying to be so graphic, but the body (at least mine) rebels from too much alcohol and acts accordingly.

It seems amazing that her body could get so beat up by alcohol abuse that she can die at 27. There are many self destructive people now and throughout time that were more destructive than her that lived well beyond 27. But even Alexander the Great died of alcohol poisening when he was only 32. There are people who drink vodka every single waking moment of the day.

Drugs is something that can be used all the time. I smoke marijuana everyday. Pot never makes one hungover. I get to escape reality and do something that makes me feel good, without hangover and without physical addiction.

Neither does the "hard" drugs. They are just addicting. The speed that keeps one up for days, the opiates that makes one fall asleep to the point where they cannot wake up. Heroin makes one "sick" where they need more heroin. But crack cocaine doesn't ever. It just makes one feen for more crack. If I was rich as Winehouse and had a secure suppily, I would still be smoking rock. But even for a millionaire rockhead, wanting that is the number one thing and nothing else matters, but in the mirror, that life is so bad, and everyone will end up belittling you and hating you. This makes the addict say "fk it" and do more and more. Alcohol is socially accepted. "Oh, she's only drinking, she's OK." Well, not really since alcohol is just as dangerous and addicting if not more so than even cocaine.

Sucks to die so young. When I see somewhat like Jim Morrison, I just think "what a dumbass." I wish he could have lived in the 1970's-80's and beyond. it would have been interesting. There is probably a romantic thing for a famous star to die young James Dean style for immoratality. Being a drunk/druggie is something that would have sticked to Amy Winehouse her whole existance even if she got competely sober. So why be sober? Sobreity is boring.

[Rapscallion]

Sobreity is boring.

Perhaps you're doing it wrong?

Rapscallion

[Gravekeeper]

Perhaps you're doing it wrong?


Indeed, I find it quite entertaining plus there's no risk of anyone posting footage to Youtube of me in my underwear eating a cheese burger off the floor.

[blas87]

And now I'm just disappointed, GK.

Oh well, I guess I better get used to it. My computer is so far beyond gone, I can't even watch video anyway.

I feel really bad for people who can't quit drinking. It's an easy way to guarantee a premature death, whether by a car accident, alcohol poisoning, scerosis of the liver, or dying in jail from hurting someone else while drunk.

I'd rather be bored than relive the last few years of my life with the alcoholic manchild and the constant Jersey Shore lifestyle tendencies he had.

[LexiaFira]

when i found out i felt angry. 5x's the legal limit? well since i don't recall what the legal limit is i felt that that isn't telling me much at all. beyond she drank herself to death and depending on the height weight and how each person's body processes alcohol that had to be a great deal....

[BlaqueKatt]

when i found out i felt angry. 5x's the legal limit? well since i don't recall what the legal limit is i felt that that isn't telling me much at all. beyond she drank herself to death and depending on the height weight and how each person's body processes alcohol that had to be a great deal....

the singer had 416 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood. The legal limit in Britain is 80 mg.

her BAC was .04 which at her reported weight(50 kg/110 pounds) would take 9 shots(1.5oz) of vodka consumed in four hours, not really a massive amount.

Usually my stopping point is me throwing up.

congratulations, vomiting is the FIRST SIGN of alcohol poisoning.

Critical Signs and Symptoms of Alcohol Poisoning


Vomiting.
Mental confusion, stupor, coma, or person cannot be roused.
Seizures.
Slow breathing (fewer than eight breaths per minute).
Irregular breathing (10 seconds or more between breaths).
Hypothermia (low body temperature), bluish skin color, paleness.

[Boozy]

her BAC was .04 which at her reported weight(50 kg/110 pounds) would take 9 shots(1.5oz) of vodka consumed in four hours, not really a massive amount.

I think that's a hell of a lot, myself. I weigh about the same, and can't imagine drinking that much.

[linguist]

her BAC was .04 which at her reported weight(50 kg/110 pounds) would take 9 shots(1.5oz) of vodka consumed in four hours, not really a massive amount.


bac percentage (the .x that most of us are familiar with) is calculated by grams per deciliter, not milligrams per milliliter. therefore 416mg/100ml=.416g/1dl=.416 bac. at .4 unconsciousness, coma, breathing difficulties, and death can occur. this makes sense as well, as her bac was reported at 5 times the legal limit. legal limit in the uk is .08. 5*.08=.4.

[Beckpatton]

bac percentage (the .x that most of us are familiar with) is calculated by grams per deciliter, not milligrams per milliliter. therefore 416mg/100ml=.416g/1dl=.416 bac. at .4 unconsciousness, coma, breathing difficulties, and death can occur. this makes sense as well, as her bac was reported at 5 times the legal limit. legal limit in the uk is .08. 5*.08=.4.

I was just going to comment on the same thing, except without all the math! The legal BAC in the UK is .08. so if she was only .04 then she would have been fine.. Makes much more sense if she was .4

No wonder she died! Another factor I believe is that she had been dry for 3 weeks before going on a 3 day binge, was a big shock to her system. (Which in all likelyhood was probably cactus already!) but really .4 would kill anyone!