Confederate flag on 4th of July.

[jackfaire]

I don't agree with but I can understand people that fly both the US Flag and the Confederate flag. What I don't understand however is people who fly neither but decide that of course putting up the US flag for our Nations birth but somehow feel this is the appropriate holiday for putting up the confederate flag as well.

Can anyone explain this one?

[Sleepwalker]

Idiocy is everywhere?

[Gravekeeper]

I don't understand the Confederate flag in any capacity. -.-

[Andara Bledin]

I have yet to really hear any legitimate reason to fly it. I mean, aside from douchebag wannabe "rebels" who are flying it to show that they're douchebags. Them, I can understand.

^-.-^

[Tanasi]

The Confederates were also Americans, they're ancestors also fought for independance and the July 4th was also a holiday in the Confederacy. That being said I think it's inappropriate to fly the Battle flag on said day.

[mikoyan29]

The Confederates were also Americans, they're ancestors also fought for independance and the July 4th was also a holiday in the Confederacy. That being said I think it's inappropriate to fly the Battle flag on said day.
The Confederates wanted to be separate from the United States...It would be like flying an Orange Flag on St. Pat's day.

[jackfaire]

The Confederates wanted to be separate from the United States...It would be like flying an Orange Flag on St. Pat's day.

Well yeah pretty much except for the whole you know St. Patrick's being about being Catholic.

Anyway yeah that is kind of my take on it. 4th of July is supposed to be our celebration of freedom and the Confederate Flag is well Anti Freedom.

Despite compromises in 1820 and 1850, the slavery issues exploded in the 1850s. Lincoln did not propose federal laws against slavery where it already existed, but he had, in his 1858 House Divided Speech, expressed a desire to "arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction." - pulled from the Wikipedia article on the Civil War.

People try to almost apologetically give more respect than is due to the reasons for the states Seceding by talking about how it was States rights. While technically true their primary "State's Rights" issues were all around the fact that the country as a whole had been and was working towards abolishing slavery as a whole.

Laws were proposed by Lincoln in his campaign that would further limit Slavery while no not abolishing it entirely would not allow it to spread to new territories that were springing up as we slowly filled up the country.

So yes the secession was because they didn't want the government further cutting off slave trade.

At this point before Lincoln was elected the African Slave Trade had been made illegal and slavery was illegal north of the Mason-Dixon line. Most of Lincoln's platform was "We need to finish off slavery"

or rather as he said, "arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction."

No one said anything else about the South there was no, "We are going to tax you but you don't get reps, We are now going to determine how you run your State" etc in fact State's rights to self govern is more of an issue now, "You won't get federal funds unless you comply to X" than it was then.

That is why when I see the Confederate Flag I see the flag of a people that said, "You need to let us have the right to oppress whomever we want is this not the land of the free?"

Plus Abe was killing Vampires and that's just good for all of us.

[mikoyan29]

Well yeah pretty much except for the whole you know St. Patrick's being about being Catholic.

That was my point. Fourth of July is a celebration of the United States. the Confederates did not want to be a part of the United States. To use their flag to celebrate the Fourth of July would be like using a Protestant flag to celebrate St. Pat's day.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

The Confederates wanted to be separate from the United States...It would be like flying an Orange Flag on St. Pat's day.

Thank you.

I live down here, I see it every year, and every year I scratch my head and wonder why. It doesn't make any sense to me. What does one have to do with the other?

Not only can I not explain it, but I can't find anyone to ask who gets it, either. Evidently, my circle of friends is not nearly rednecky enough.

[protege]

I mean, aside from douchebag wannabe "rebels" who are flying it to show that they're douchebags. Them, I can understand.


Yep, that's the only legit reason to fly that flag. Announce to the entire world that you're an uneducated douche who (at least locally) lives in a trailer, has a 1978 Camaro on blocks in the front yard, and has relatives on the Jerry Springer show :rolleyes:

[wolfie]

Yep, that's the only legit reason to fly that flag. Announce to the entire world that you're an uneducated douche who (at least locally) lives in a trailer, has a 1978 Camaro on blocks in the front yard, and has relatives on the Jerry Springer show :rolleyes:

Stereotyping a bit, aren't we? For the record, in one case I know of, it's a 1977 Mustang in the back yard.:lol:

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Well, that counts, but it does need to be on blocks and have either at least thirty percent of the paint be primer or one of the doors be a different color than the rest of the car.

You may waive the paint requirement by having a deer hide curing on the hood.

[Dips]

Hell, I've seen people who were born and raised here in Massachusetts flying it, albeit not on the fourth necessarily.

I think I'd rather not know in that case, actually. Answer's probably stupid enough to hurt. :rolleyes:

[Boozy]

Well, that counts, but it does need to be on blocks and have either at least thirty percent of the paint be primer or one of the doors be a different color than the rest of the car.

You may waive the paint requirement by having a deer hide curing on the hood.

Funniest post I've read in months. :roll:

[protege]

Of course, we forgot the other requirements for the vehicle. That is, it has to have dents and/or rust on every panel. Also, duct tape (aka "West Virginia Chrome") has to be in abundance as well :p

[jackfaire]

Of course, we forgot the other requirements for the vehicle. That is, it has to have dents and/or rust on every panel. Also, duct tape (aka "West Virginia Chrome") has to be in abundance as well :p

*looks around paranoid* stop lookin at my car :p

[blas87]

Mullet hairstyle with dirty undershirts help as well.

[Gravekeeper]

My parents typically do an annual roadtrip through the states. They won't even stop for gas anywhere they see a Confederate flag anymore. Because people find out they're Canadians, and thus from a Socialist commie liberal country. Then they have to slowly back away and get back into the motorhome while people try to argue with them.

This year it was so bad they've sworn off returning at all next year. =/

Its basically gotten worse every year since Obama became president.

[protege]

*looks around paranoid* stop lookin at my car :p

Hehe some of the heaps my parents owned were truly legendary. The '88 Taurus, was a prime example. It was rusty, since most of the silver paint had oxidized off. At the time, Ford (and Chrysler) switched paint formulas, and the new stuff didn't weather very well. So there were rust spots and streaks all over it. As if that wasn't enough, the floor had holes in it...and so did the gas tank. In fact, the entire top of the tank was rusted out :eek: Throw in the broken rear springs (which would cause the car to 'hop' over bumps), the inoperative digital gauges, door locks that occasionally wouldn't open, the exhaust system held together with tape and coat hangers...and I wonder how that heap managed to move under its own power. It's been gone many years now, but is probably rotting in a field somewhere :lol:

[lordlundar]

This is actually reminding me of one of the people on Canada's Worst Driver. His "car" (and I use the term extremely loosely here) was in such bad shape, there's no way it would be street legal. I can say, without a word of embellishment, that the only thing holding it together was strategic use of duck tape (yes, that's the original name for it, fun bit of trivia there) and faint hope. If it wasn't for the tape, I would swear you could give it a swift kick and it would collapse.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I dated a guy in college who had four brothers and they all shared a car that had one working door, and that door was outfitted with a coathanger on the inside so the driver could hold it shut when the car was making a right turn.

I seem to remember some primer on that one as well.

No deer skins, though, which was the saving grace.

[jackfaire]

First my dad and then me drove the BUOT (Big Ugly Orange Truck) it looked like a POS but best truck we ever had. What amused me is that my dad traded in his newer truck for it. He wanted something that made the statement that he didn't care what people thought.