Hey Fellow Doctor Who fans *SPOILERS*

[gremcint]

what exactly did the silence do that made them more evil than the daleks and cybermen?
I mean the doctor always gives everyone a chance to surrender but not them.
Why did the doctor need to make the human race be brainwashed into genocide?

While we're at it who was that voice in the tardis last season I mean you'd think after half a season it would have at least been mentioned?

You know at least russel t davies stuck to his storylines.

[Hyena Dandy]

The story's not over you know. I have a feeling that it'll pull together.

As for what the silence did

1) The doctor had no way to put them up against a wall to get them to surrender. And even if he could, how would he accept a surrender if they did? He couldn't remember it. Perhaps he knows more than he's letting on. Perhaps he considered them too big a threat, or felt they'd meddled too much.

2) I entirely don't remember the voice in the TARDIS. I don't not believe there was one, I just don't remember it. Could you link me to when it happened? I could at least take a guess.

Anyway, I'm not too worried about continuity in Dr. Who, honestly. I mean, there's decades of Dr. Who to keep track of. My honest advice is really don't be concerned about it. Because there were times that previous doctors didn't give the bad guy a chance.

Honestly, though, I think Moffat's greatest weakness as show-runner is that he's not making a show with time travel, he's making a show ABOUT time travel. Its bound to get a little timey-wimey, as 10 put it. Besides, even if neither question is answered, every series has a few clunkers in it. Remember "Love and Monsters"? And I didn't much care for "Fear Her" either.

I'm not sure whether I like Moffat more or less than Davies. I know I like Smith better than Tennant. Moffat, well, he's got a different style. Its more continuity heavy, which I usually consider a bad thing. But hey, there's things I like and don't like about everybody's tenure on the show.

I think both Moffat and Davies have too many episodes about saving the world. There's only so many times you can save the planet before it starts to become mundane. I think some of the strongest episodes have just been about saving a small group of people.

Doctor who's a hard show to be a fan of. Because its bound to be inconsistent, and there's so much turnover.

Personally, I think the show was ruined when they put a time traveling alien in a perfectly good schoolhouse drama. :P

[Ginger Tea]

The only voice in the Tardis I remember is in The Doctors Wife from the first half of the current season (which returns tonight :D ) Where the tardis gets transfered into a humanoid body and something enters into the tardis.

As for the Silence and their 'genocide' it was said by a Silence itself that we should kill them on sight, it might not have said it had it know it was being filmed :p
When part of your power is hypnotic sugestion you should choose your words more carefully.
edit:
the way the silence works, that brief phrase broadcast in the moon landing feed could later be removed from the recordings by the Doctor or someone wanting it to be just a one off 'warning' for them to keep out of human affairs, even if it was hinted they might have helped us evolve or atleast develop as they had been here for yonks
They needed a space suit for Melody Pond and we at the time had no plans to enter space, so infiltration and sugestion got us (or the US) gearing up for space travel along with the Russians, so the space race was their fault.

In the trailer for the remaining half of this season River Song is seen with an eye patch that makes her look like a younger version of the 'woman in the wall'.

I like how they had a two parter to establish the flesh and then use that as a means to explain away the tardis' problem with Amy's pregnancy.

[gremcint]

season finale last year, crack appears and someone laughs saying the silence will fall

[Ginger Tea]

The big bang episode sealed all cracks I'm sure, Don't have the box set at hand to watch, but the phrase was uttered alot in episode one and I'm sure it appeared throughout (along with the season arc unknoticed by the doctor cracks).

Least this episode (Let's kill Hitler) answered one question I had about the ending to silence in the Library or whatever the second part was called (spoilers so I won't say) afaik the episode airs on the same day in the states as the UK so you have something to look forwards to.

edit:
season finale last year, crack appears and someone laughs saying the silence will fall
Or are you on about the mid season break the Devils Run?
I'm sure I heard silence will fall at some point in this season (aside from maybe a voice over flashback of prisoner zero (as the mother and two children) saying it in the first two episodes centred around the silence.*)



*Spoilers do not read till after watching let's kill Hitler

not the name of the species, but a religion.

[gremcint]

I'm not talking about demon's run at all, at the end of last season cracks appeared and someone said the silence will fall, I want to know who that is. Yes I just watched the most recent episode now which help clear it up a little.

[Ginger Tea]

I thought my box set was in storage, like the Eccleston/Tennent run, but I've just watched the last few minutes of the big bang and no "silence will fall." at the end where abouts in the episode is it?

Part of me is thinking it might be an American over dub re the voice, but a crack appearing is a bit suspect for the end of the show seeing as him walking through the one in Amilia's bedroom sealed them all up.
Much as I like the show, I don't fancy watching all of it just to find one sound bite and visual motif, when both have appeared in most episodes.

[Andara Bledin]

Well, I'm only partway through season 3 of the modern run, so it'll be a while before I get to the end of Tennant's run.

^-.-^

[gremcint]

actually I was wrong it's near the end of the previous episode with river song in the tardis. a voice says it, the crack appearing I'm remembering must be from somewhere else in the season. doesn't change my question though.

It just honestly felt like they forgot about the storyline right until this last episode.

[Ginger Tea]

iir the cracks are caused by the tardis exploding and then sealed by the doctor walking through the one in Amilea's bedroom.

Will have to watch the panorical opens episode again,

The main unanswered question is, who what where when how, did someone take the tardis from AD whenever to the date of Amy's Wedding, im sure River didnt set the time to then, someone/thing else did.
I'm sure this question will be answered, perhaps not in this season, but at some point, something took the tardis to that date and caused it to explode, answering every question in the final episode or leaving questions un answered for the next season, I'd go with looking forwards to answers later on.

[Ginger Tea]

The thing is, River is the only one in the tardis and the first time the voice is heard and the screen cracks, I think she is already outside and again when it does happen in ear shot of her she has her hands full with a full on tardis takeover.
After being freed from the timeloop they are a bit preocupied with a Dalek and the world's imminant joining of the universe in oblivion to just stop and say "Oh by the way, someone took control of the TARDIS and sent me to the future and said 'silence will fall' quite alot."

Then also, this is River we are talking about, she doesn't like letting the Doctor know spoilers and also the only instance I do know of her post big bang is the Weeping Angels two parter, when she says "I know, I was there when it opened.", OK her Debut two parter predates that, but was that story arc even concieved for them to worry about?

TL;DR only River was there and River won't give out any info of future Doctor adventures, bar asking if hes met this that or tother like in the Impossible Astronaught episode, which I asume is post big bang.

[gremcint]

The doctor does comment that someone took control of the tardis and they need to deal with it.

[smileyeagle1021]

I think they did that as a set up for Demon's Run where we find out the Doctor is losing his control. Committing genocide sets him up for becoming the villain and nightmare that people were seeing him to be. Tennant already established that the Doctor has lived too long, and now Smith is starting to deteriorate.

[Hyena Dandy]

The question is where do we go from Smith? There's no way he'll be the last Doctor, the ratings are too good.

Tennant's run had to end. But what is Smith's story arc going to be

The 'lived too long' doesn't seem to fit for him. Though the idea of him fighting to keep his reputation from becoming twisted might.

[smileyeagle1021]

The 'lived too long' doesn't seem to fit for him. Though the idea of him fighting to keep his reputation from becoming twisted might.

So does him not dying... after all, we do see him get shot... so it is entirely possible that he is trying to change history (even though he says he wouldn't do that, there is a lot of things he's said he'd never do that he has done now).

[Hyena Dandy]

So does him not dying... after all, we do see him get shot... so it is entirely possible that he is trying to change history (even though he says he wouldn't do that, there is a lot of things he's said he'd never do that he has done now).

Well, of course he's not going to die. Can you imagine the uproar if they killed a Doctor off in two seasons? Especially if he doesn't want to leave.

It struck me lately that Matt Smith's Doctor seems like a character from a completely different show than the one he's in...

I think the reputation theme is 11's character arc, but... I think that River Song is distracting from his story.

I like the character, but she's got too much focus.

[smileyeagle1021]

I like the character, but she's got too much focus.

she's potentially the person who kills the doctor... I think she is getting an appropriate level of focus.

[KitterCat]

I think they did that as a set up for Demon's Run where we find out the Doctor is losing his control. Committing genocide sets him up for becoming the villain and nightmare that people were seeing him to be. Tennant already established that the Doctor has lived too long, and now Smith is starting to deteriorate.

Tennant already established that the Doctor has lived too long, and now Smith is starting to deteriorate.

Continuity wise from the old series (963-1989) this isn’t un established. The characters gone through ups and down’s in various seasons before. Jon Pertwee would get a upset over being stuck on earth, Tom Baker complained at about being over 500 years old and hitting middle age. Colin Baker went through a crazy stage when he first regenerated and well Sylvester McCoy >-<. So Smith and the writers could just play this out as a second/ third/ middle age “I’m still needed” /revamp the character thing.

In fact they’ve actually done a pretty good job with keeping to the old series continuity except for one major thing. Time Lords are only suppose to have 12 regenerations -so 13 lives- we’ve passed the 13th mark so many times I’ve sort of lost count. So it sort of leaves one to ask, exactly how long does a Time Lord live and how’s the Doctor keeping up the regenerations? Then for my own curiosity’s sake, how’s he doing this Mork&Mindy bit with the regenerations, cause dame David Tennant was cute but old enough to fit the part, Matt Smith is just . . . young.

[Ginger Tea]

You could say it's rather apt he's the youngest, they already used the time travelers wife for parts of River Song and the Doctors romance, the first doctor was old and has gotten younger more or less with each regeneration, so thats "The curious case of Benjamin Button" type of casting.

TBH I had forgotten about the men in a robot from lets kill hitler and had jokingly said "maybe it was a flesh copy." in another doctor thread here, seems alot of people thought the same, but having the robot revealed so soon in the finale just had everyone go "oh that makes sence."

[Stormraven]

I don't know exactly - I think there are a couple of fanwanks on the regeneration.

First, that twelve was an arbitrary limit placed by the Time Lords - who no longer exist, and so cannot affect his regenerations.

Second, that with the Time Lords out of Time, all their energy is his, so he's got unlimited regenerations.

There are probably others.

[Ginger Tea]

Plus there was the regeneration that was rerouted into his hand in a jar, granted it wasn't a full regeneration on his part but the full power was used as it had to be rerouted, so Tennant was the 10th and 11th doctor making Smith number 12.

Lest we forget that River Song donated all her remaining regeneration energy, she could have just given enough to revive him, so she had had 3 known forms, the child, Mel whomever and then Melody Pond/River Song. So if he was on his last, her donation could mean there are 9 or so donated regenerations left to go.

But I still don't count all doctors up untill Eccleston in this run, I see him as the third full regeneration of a reeboot not a continuation of the bluepeter special effects 'classic' run.

[Hyena Dandy]

I don't know exactly - I think there are a couple of fanwanks on the regeneration.

First, that twelve was an arbitrary limit placed by the Time Lords - who no longer exist, and so cannot affect his regenerations.

Second, that with the Time Lords out of Time, all their energy is his, so he's got unlimited regenerations.

There are probably others.

Well, he said in Sarah Jane Adventures he has 7, but rule 1...

[Stormraven]

Actually, I heard that he said '507'.

[Hyena Dandy]

That's what I meant to type. 507. It just was late and I was sleepy