Tea Party debate cheers to let uninsured men die

[LexiaFira]

Yahoo news article (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/audience-tea-party-debate-cheers-leaving-uninsured-die-163216817.html)

Growing up I was taught that all life is precious and that no one has the right to kill another as thats a life. And of course growing up that gets blurred with politics, bills and how much medical costs.

Seeing as how this is political and what its about my upset is more about that the people in the audience cheered/laughed about letting the man die. And coming from me who really does not like talking politics this greatly bothered me.
I understand that by law if a doctor or registered medical person be it nurse or other proper title does not do all they can to save a life it is grounds for a great deal - I am not sure but from what I do know they lose their license and can never return again?
Yet for someone who knows cpr or just a little bit its ok for us to do nothing even if that little bit does some good....yeah thats fair. end sarcasm
Sullivan also decried the audience reaction, writing: "Maybe a tragedy like the death of a feckless twentysomething is inevitable if we are to restrain healthcare costs. But it is still a tragedy. It is not something a decent person cheers."

Keep in mind this is more about the audience response than about how we should be expected to pay for those who have no insurance.

[Gravekeeper]

I saw that, it was even crazier than cheering the execution thing in the last debate. It wasn't just cheering either, several people literally yelled out "Yeah!!" to the question of whether or not to let someone die because they didn't buy health insurance.

Fucking ghouls. >.>

[LexiaFira]

makes me wonder if they were changing their tune if it was them and we said yeah to them having the plug pulled or nope you die.

[Rageaholic]

Wow, it says even Governor Perry was taken aback by this.

What a despicable bunch of goons. :mad:

[Talon]

So in addition to their legion of accolades (:p) the Tea Party is also apparently the party of Sociopaths.

[mikoyan29]

Funny, these are the people that were allied with the keep Schiavo alive movement. And some of these people consider themselves Christian...I must have missed the lost teachings of Christ were he said, "Pull the plug when their insurance money runs out".

[lordlundar]

The really sad part is that these are the same people who were chiding Obama's original healthcare plan, saying it established death panels. Guess they know what one would be then, huh?

[Crazedclerkthe2nd]

Funny, these are the people that were allied with the keep Schiavo alive movement. And some of these people consider themselves Christian...I must have missed the lost teachings of Christ were he said, "Pull the plug when their insurance money runs out".

QFT. I can totally see Jesus seeing this and and saying "what the heck is wrong with you people?"

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Wait, aren't they mostly pro life?

:confused:

So, how does that work?

[mikoyan29]

Pro life only deals with the unborn...once they are born it's all Randism....

[Gravekeeper]

Wow, it says even Governor Perry was taken aback by this.


No one was taken back enough to actually say anything though. -.-

[lordlundar]

No one was taken back enough to actually say anything though. -.-

Of course not because he had a choice: tell them what a pack of assholes they were or garner votes. To a politician, it's not a hard choice.

[Stormraven]

According to an article I read, yes, someone was taken aback enough to say something. Ron Paul responded making it clear that no one should cheer a person's death. I'll see if I can find it, but since the question was to him, he did respond.

[BlaqueKatt]

According to an article I read, yes, someone was taken aback enough to say something. Ron Paul responded making it clear that no one should cheer a person's death. I'll see if I can find it, but since the question was to him, he did respond.

Yeah he lost his campaign manager in 2008 (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/ron_pauls_campaign_manager_die.html)to pneumonia, because the man didn't have health insurance, so it hit very close to home.

[Rageaholic]

Pro life only deals with the unborn...once they are born it's all Randism....

And that is why I think the "pro life" crowd are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. I wonder if they would have cheered like that had it been an unborn fetus.

Yeah he lost his campaign manager in 2008 (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/ron_pauls_campaign_manager_die.html)to pneumonia, because the man didn't have health insurance, so it hit very close to home.

Ouch. No wonder he was uneasy there.

[AdminAssistant]

Yeah he lost his campaign manager in 2008 (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/ron_pauls_campaign_manager_die.html)to pneumonia, because the man didn't have health insurance, so it hit very close to home.

Which raises the question of how Ron Paul can still believe in his particular brand of "freedom" when he's seen the devastating effects first-hand. Paul looks like a sweet old man, but his actual political beliefs are actually crazier than Perry and Bachmann's put together.

[Shangri-laschild]

Which raises the question of how Ron Paul can still believe in his particular brand of "freedom" when he's seen the devastating effects first-hand. Paul looks like a sweet old man, but his actual political beliefs are actually crazier than Perry and Bachmann's put together.

I might be misunderstanding something here about his standpoint but it sounded like he was saying "yes, treat them so they don't die, but no the government shouldn't be the one to pay the bill after" which doesn't seem to conflict in my mind with thinking it is wrong that someone died because they didn't have health care.

[Rageaholic]

I might be misunderstanding something here about his standpoint but it sounded like he was saying "yes, treat them so they don't die, but no the government shouldn't be the one to pay the bill after" which doesn't seem to conflict in my mind with thinking it is wrong that someone died because they didn't have health care.

Yeah, that's what I think he was saying.

I don't agree with his views on this at all, but at least they are not batshit crazy like Bachmann and Perry.

[Andara Bledin]

And that is why I think the "pro life" crowd are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. I wonder if they would have cheered like that had it been an unborn fetus.
They'd force the woman to have whatever treatment was necessary to force the child to be born (even if it would suffer from horrible birth defects or the like) and then throw mother and child to the wolves the moment the birth was "successful."

^-.-^

[AdminAssistant]

I might be misunderstanding something here about his standpoint but it sounded like he was saying "yes, treat them so they don't die, but no the government shouldn't be the one to pay the bill after"

And how many don't seek treatment because they can't afford it without health insurance? And how many can't get health insurance because they've committed the unforgivable sin of having a pre-existing condition like asthma?

Bachmann and Perry are blatantly crazy. Paul's crazy with a calm demeanor. Sorry, but anarchy doesn't sound like my idea of a good time.

[Shangri-laschild]

And how many don't seek treatment because they can't afford it without health insurance? And how many can't get health insurance because they've committed the unforgivable sin of having a pre-existing condition like asthma?

Bachmann and Perry are blatantly crazy. Paul's crazy with a calm demeanor. Sorry, but anarchy doesn't sound like my idea of a good time.

I wasn't agreeing with him so much as saying that it didn't seem like the two things (his views and his campaign manager) were in disagreement with each other. Giving care and then charging is better not being willing to give care at all at least. Still not saying it's the best option but at least it's not as bad as the audience members.

[guywithashovel]

If you're opposed to public health insurance because you think it's "socialism" or "big government" or whatever buzz word you prefer, then fine. However, I hope you're willing to be consistent in your views with all of your actions.

For example.

I hope you're not planning on going on Social Security or Medicare when you reach the necessary age.

I hope you don't take unemployment benefits if (heaven forbid) you suffer a job loss.

If you're a farmer or rancher, I hope you don't take advantage of farm subsidies (I see a lot of farmer, rancher types in the tea party . . . I wonder if their opposition to government subsidies extends to these).

I hope you don't use public schools or universities.

If you are in the necessary income bracket, I hope you don't use Medicaid.

Also, you might want to avoid interstate highways if you can.

[Andara Bledin]

How about not using highways and freeways?

Socialist policies are only bad when they can't be used by those complaining about them.

^-.-^

[Boozy]

If you're a farmer or rancher, I hope you don't take advantage of farm subsidies (I see a lot of farmer, rancher types in the tea party . . . I wonder if their opposition to government subsidies extends to these).

You can't avoid taking subsidies if you're an American farmer. The supplies they buy are heavily subsidied, and selling prices are artificially inflated. The whole system is messed up.

[lordlundar]

You can't avoid taking subsidies if you're an American farmer. The supplies they buy are heavily subsidied, and selling prices are artificially inflated. The whole system is messed up.

This is true, but how much do you think that while getting supplies they bitch about the "government induced" lower prices or the "government induced" higher profits beyond not being able to lower their selling price below the minimum?

The tea party talks a lot about personal capitalist ethics (which I doubt exist anyways) but when those "ethics" cause their followers to get less, they get brushed away pretty damn fast.

[bara]

Here is how I see it.
Im in the United States, we seem to be able to find trillions of dollars to wage wars to kill people we dont know and ultimately are not a threat to us and in the process get thousands of our own people hurt/killed, and further trashing our global image. But we cant find money to make sure people can get medical care.

I have a problem with this.

[Andara Bledin]

They have now been dubbed the "Let Him Die Party" by political groups from the other side.

^-.-^

[Crazedclerkthe2nd]

Last night on Fox News some audience members booed a question from a gay soldier currently serving in Iraq.

Wow.

[Greenday]

ultimately are not a threat to us

LOL Right...

As for the main topic, I think it sucks we should suffer for people who plan poorly for the future. But by not helping people out, things in the country will only get worse, not better.

[Teysa]

Let's say this hypothetical 30-year old man is in good health. He works out everyday, eats his veggies, has no history of diabetes or heart disease, and rarely if ever catches a cold. I could not blame him for not buying health insurance. And I certainly would not want to see him die if something completely unforeseen like a coma were to happen to him.

[Greenday]

Let's say this hypothetical 30-year old man is in good health. He works out everyday, eats his veggies, has no history of diabetes or heart disease, and rarely if ever catches a cold. I could not blame him for not buying health insurance. And I certainly would not want to see him die if something completely unforeseen like a coma were to happen to him.

I wouldn't want him to die either, but it's still his fault for betting against the odds.

[mikoyan29]

Last night on Fox News some audience members booed a question from a gay soldier currently serving in Iraq.

Wow.
Screw them....

[Duelist925]

This disturbs me on a very deep level. A response like that, to the thought of a mans death....thats not human. Thats something an ape that learned to talk would do--laugh at a mans death. Its not human.

[Jester]

It wasn't just cheering either, several people literally yelled out "Yeah!!" to the question of whether or not to let someone die because they didn't buy health insurance.

These are the same people that were screaming from the hilltops about the impending "death panels" that would come to be if Obama's health care plan passed. The same people that scream from the hilltops about the sanctity of life but have no problem approving the murder of abortion doctors.

Honestly, are you really all that surprised?

So in addition to their legion of accolades (:p) the Tea Party is also apparently the party of Sociopaths.

And this is news?

Wait, aren't they mostly pro life?

:confused:

So, how does that work?

It doesn't. And while I could wax poetic on this matter, I am going to defer to the late great George Carlin, who did an amazing piece on it years ago, long before the Tea Part even came to be:

"These people call themselves "right to lifers." Don't you love that phrase? And don't you love the way these kind of people pervert the English language? You realize that most of the right-to-lifers are in favor of the DEATH penalty? And they support the South American DEATH squads. And they're against gun control and they're against nuclear weapons control. When they say "right to life," they're talking about THEIR right to decide which people should live or die."

Sorry, but anarchy doesn't sound like my idea of a good time.

You've never been to one of my parties.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

If you're a farmer or rancher, I hope you don't take advantage of farm subsidies (I see a lot of farmer, rancher types in the tea party . . . I wonder if their opposition to government subsidies extends to these).

Many of the politicos in the Tea Party movement own or partially own or have shares in farms that DO take subsidies, and the politicians in question have made no moves to deny their family that money.

This disturbs me on a very deep level. A response like that, to the thought of a mans death....thats not human. Thats something an ape that learned to talk would do--laugh at a mans death. Its not human.

Sadly, that is all TOO human.

Let's say this hypothetical 30-year old man is in good health. He works out everyday, eats his veggies, has no history of diabetes or heart disease, and rarely if ever catches a cold. I could not blame him for not buying health insurance. And I certainly would not want to see him die if something completely unforeseen like a coma were to happen to him.

I wouldn't want him to die either, but it's still his fault for betting against the odds.

I saved this one for last, because THIS is something I know all too well about.

Some of you may be familiar with the story of my stepsister, an otherwise healthy 39-year-old at the time. Who fell into a catatonic coma. For seven months.

Because she was not initially responding at all, there was a chance that funding for her care would cease. She HAD health insurance, but the benefits from it ran out within a short time. (A few months or so....I don't know the exact time table.)

She did not and could not see falling into the coma. If some of these people had their way, she would have been booted out of the excellent care faciility she is in.

And eventually, she DID start to respond, and against all her doctors' expectations, she is now speaking. Not gibberish, mind you, but holding on conversations and making independent observations. (i.e., "Jester, you look tired." "Jester, you need to move so you can live closer to me.")

So to the people who think it's perfectly alright and acceptable to let an uninsured person DIE, I only have two words.

And they're NOT Happy Birthday.

GK was right, these people are ghouls. Disgusting, repulsive ghouls.