On fanfiction trends

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I like to look at fanfiction. Sometimes I actually read it.

Basically, I like to write. I dont' write fanfiction, but since I am very interested in what other people who like to write write about, it stands to reason I would be interested in fanfic trends. I'm actually more interested in the trends and the posting patterns than I am in the actual writing.

I'll sometimes glance over a piece to get the gist, theme, and skill level. If it's particularly good, I might even sit down and read it if it looks like something I might enjoy.

I did a little skimming around last night, and a question that frequently comes up in my head came up again.

What's with the slash?

Slash is where two otherwise hetero characters of the same sex have a sexual relationship with each other.

Now, I will say off the bat thatt I am in no way, shape, or form offended at same sex relationships. I am open minded about that to the point that my own sexuality has been called into question on numerous occasions (which is fine).

But seeing as how most slash is written by straight females about otherwise straight males, I find it curious. I certainly have thought about males I find attractive in a sexual way, it just never has occured to me to pair them in my mind with other guys. I could see it if this stuff was written by gay men, but most times, it's not.

Anyone able to shed some light on this phenomenon? I'm just very curious, is all. Any ladies here like to write or read this stuff?

[Amethyst Hunter]

There are as many varieties of slashfic as there are reasons for why it's written. I've seen some excellent essays on the subject; unfortunately I can't find them or remember where I've seen them without a whole lot of searchwork. (And I'm too tired atm to do so, lol)

Some of the more basic reasons:

- It's the female equivalent of a guy who likes to watch two girls together
- It lets women explore ideas in relation to their own sexuality
- It's just fun

I write slash myself for all these reasons, and more. :cool:

[Boozy]

- It's the female equivalent of a guy who likes to watch two girls together
- It lets women explore ideas in relation to their own sexuality
- It's just fun

I'm not really familiar with fanfiction, other than being aware of its existence. But I'd say that your first explanation seems quite likely. I've never understood why men find lesbians sexy, but many do. So it makes sense that it would go both ways.

[Sylvia727]

Alright, I'll come out of the closet as a yaoi (gayboy) fangirl. For me, it's about emotions. I can't get turned on by porn without plot. I need to feel why the characters are screwing, or it means nothing. Straight guys tend to be raised with the attitude that the only acceptable emotion to express is anger, and that a man who talks about his feelings too much is a wuss. Gays tend not to follow that stereotype. Also, since a lot of slashfics are written by straight women, they use plot elements like emotions and relationships in ways that appeal to me. The corniest storyline about romantic drama, if told well, can satisfy a deep emotional need for me.

I should note that I also read hetfics or femmeslash, where the guy pours out his soul to the gal, or there aren't any guys at all. They're rarer and don't usually occupy the same subgenre. Some do exist, but mostly I have to turn to slashfics.

[anriana]

I like fanfic too, especially Buffy fic, and I read slash mainly because I don't care about the sex part. Fanfic for some reason tends to have a lot of stories that have graphic sex scenes in them. I usually skip those parts anyways, so it doesn't matter to me which two characters it is as long as the story is well-written.

In the Buffyverse, the two vamps with the most signifcant storyline are both male, so if you want to write vampy fic you can just put those two together. Also the Buffyverse has a lot of sexual ambiguity - the first few seasons Joss Whedon wasn't sure if he was going to make the male or female sidekick gay so they both have scenes that can be read that way and it's pretty easy to just take off from one of those.

[MystyGlyttyr]

I write wrestling fanfic. The ratio of men to women in wrestling is something like 200:1 (not really, but sometimes it feels like that) and sometimes I just plain don't like any of my female options.

Also, I think people would be extremely surprised if they knew the high percentage of wrestlers who are at least bisexual...I mean, face it, it's a business where a bunch of good-looking guys wearing very few clothes willingly get in the ring and grope each other. Homosexuality is just something that comes naturally.

In any other fandom I've written in (starting with Tiny Toons when I was seven years old!) I've never used slash because it's never seemed to have a place. In wrestling, it's EVERYWHERE.

So I guess I just use it because A) there's just not enough women I like to use where I can make a meaningful relationship, B) it's just part of the world anyway, and C) sometimes I just think it's cute/funny as hell to cast these big macho scary guys as loving, caring, tender sweethearts.

Slash can be comedy too :D

[Lace Neil Singer]

I have nothing against slash... as long as it has the following criteria:

1. It's in character. Yes, the characters aren't gay in canon, but they do act a kind of way. No, you do not make a strong decisive male character into a woobie, just cuz you want him to be the uke. You should have them acting how they would in the book/movie/TV show anime. And you definitely do NOT match up a canon with your hideous Gary Stu. No effing way.

2. It's tasteful. Lemons can be not good; most are written by virgins anyway who have no experience of sex, and who have not brushed up on basic biology and/or gay relationships. No, you do not have to have had the experience; but you do have to do some research. For example, not all gay men do penetrative sex. Not all lesbians use dildos. And certainly, the prostrate is NOT the male equivilent of the clitoris; that's the penis. You should also give only as much detail as is needful; going into vastly and disgusting detail is never a good idea. And finally, a lot of badfic authors seem to labour under the impression that sexual fluids are tasty like ice cream. -.- I only wish I was joking.

3. Consent. I personally hold a huge hatred against rapefic; particularly the ones where a character is "turned gay" by being raped, or ones where a character falls in love with his/her rapist. Or ones where a character is raped, and instantly recovers with no need for therapy. Those type of fics sicken me, particularly when sexual torture is involved with too much detail and with justification of a sickeningly evil act.

[MystyGlyttyr]

1. It's in character. Yes, the characters aren't gay in canon, but they do act a kind of way. No, you do not make a strong decisive male character into a woobie, just cuz you want him to be the uke. You should have them acting how they would in the book/movie/TV show anime. And you definitely do NOT match up a canon with your hideous Gary Stu. No effing way.

Well, an addendum...like I said above, slash can be comedic, too. I wrote a short little story once that featured Brock Lesnar and Rhyno, two of the biggest, most macho, meanest guys in the biz at the time, getting into a clothes-ripping catfight over another guy. But it was utterly over-the-top because it was a humor story, nothing dramatic.

So...I would say keep them in character, or take them so far out of character that it's hysterically funny. :D

[Dreamstalker]

So...I would say keep them in character, or take them so far out of character that it's hysterically funny. :D
In the Real Ghostbusters fandom, I've read serious stuff that works, serious stuff that is full of fail (and turns into comedy gold for exactly that reason, it's obvious the author is trying too hard), and funny stuff that works. For some reason, the "funny but fail" subset does not seem to exist naturally.

I had the misfortune of reading one orgyfic that was clearly only written so the author could see what they could get away with (said author was burned at the stake for ignoring/violating not only canon, but basic biology/physiology as well). That was a fun flamefest to watch.

I can't recall any slashfics in that fandom with Gary Stu or any other fic-canon character (although plenty of hetfics with Mary Sues--I can usually spot those in the first paragraph).

[Rapscallion]

I used to edit fiction articles for a fantasy game's webpage. Fortunately, there was a ban on anything more extravagant than 'the curtains on the four-poster bed closed softly', since many players were youths and no way was around to police ages.

Oddly enough, despite the majority of the players being from adolescence up, there was a dearth of anything really attempting erotic fiction. There was a game world and the occasional hint that certain NPCs in unrelated areas knew each other a little more than tea and crumpets at the annual evil-doers convention. Fortunately, I never had to deal with anything really icky.

The fanfic for existing fiction that I've seen has ranged from enthusiastic dross (the majority) to excellently crafted piece of work (very rare). It's generally not worth digging through the crap to find something you want to see. Slash fic - the only stuff I've seen has been obviously done so the author can try pairing off different non-canon characters. It serves no other purpose, though I dare say that there is good slash out there. I'm not an afficianado of romantic/erotic fiction, mind, so your mileage may vary.

Rapscallion

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Lace Neil Singer, I think you're very right. I've given quick looks at stuff that is slash and fits your criteria, and it really wasn't bad.

And then again, what triggered the intitial post was stumbling across someone who wrote an entire series of stories about Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora boffing each other's brains out at ever opportunity.

It was just a little weird to me. And kind of unsettling, I guess because they are real people and to me, there's nothing to indicate that they might be into each other on the ....well...the down low.

Hell, maybe they are, I don't know them.

I will say this, though. I DO find it a little unpleasant at the idea that two friends cannot be close without being sexual. No problem whatsoever with, say, Brokeback Mountain kind of stuff. However, I will admit to it being a little annoying when Harper and Tyr (Andromeda, for instance) jump into the sack together. To me, that's so out of character as to be kind of pointless. Why not just write original stuff at that point?

[MystyGlyttyr]

I'll tell you the slash that really kind of is weird, because it's quite prevalent in wrestlefic...look up (not at work!) "Hardycest". Translation, slash between the two Hardy brothers, Matt and Jeff. Who are legitimately brothers in and out of the ring.

...don't get me wrong, I've read it, some of it is actually marvelously well-done, and incest is no more taboo than any other subject in people's fictions. It's just...weird...how common it is.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Mysty; incest is seriously prevalent in Supernatural fanfic. It scares me. O.o

Dreamstalker; I've come across a bit in the Harry Potter fandom, not so much in the LOTR fandom tho. That's mostly Legolas and Aragon getting it on and some of it is so bad, it's funny.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Remember when I said I was open minded?

I'm not THAT open minded. :o I draw the line at incest. I draw the line at het incest, even. :o

I meant to mention that the stuff Mysty is talking about, the over the top out of character stuff, I can actually see. Clearly, it's meant to be funny.

I saw one Lord of the Rings fic that was like that. It was hilarious. The disclaimer said "I don't own these characters, I'm just borrowing them. Their rightful owners can have them back when I'm done gaying them up." :-D

EDIT: I just avoid the Harry Potter stuff. Those characters are kids. And too many people write too much sex stuff, so I just avoid that stuff altogether. Talk about having my crank turned backwards.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Parodies are another matter; as long as a parody is done properly, with tongue firmly in cheek (no pun intended) then it works. What doesn't work is when a badfic author takes two characters, totally ruins canon and turns them into a pathetic representation of their former selves, just to write a lemon that is hideously unrealistic. Or turns one character into a pathetic woobie just cuz they want them to be the uke to their Gary Stu's seme.

[Dreamstalker]

And then again, what triggered the intitial post was stumbling across someone who wrote an entire series of stories about Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora boffing each other's brains out at ever opportunity.
The communities I'm involved in have an unspoken total ban on RPS (slashfic involving the actors). The major reason for that, besides the squick/weirdness factor, is possible legal issues should an actor or his/her agents stumble across it.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Another problem is with people who basically take characters and make them into sock puppets. Some people need to think, is this story more fiction than fan? If so, then give the characters original names and write it as original fiction.

[SorryIsGoodEnough]

EDIT: I just avoid the Harry Potter stuff. Those characters are kids. And too many people write too much sex stuff, so I just avoid that stuff altogether. Talk about having my crank turned backwards.

Pretty much the only fic I read anymore is Severus/Hermione fic. Almost everything I've read took place when she turned of age, but yeah. Sometimes Sirius/Hermione. Sometimes Remus/Hermione.

Notice a pattern?

And the only slash I'll read is Harry/Draco. And that is ONLY if it comes highly recommended by intelligent adults. Which is rare.

[Slytovhand]

Dreamstalker; I've come across a bit in the Harry Potter fandom, not so much in the LOTR fandom tho. That's mostly Legolas and Aragon getting it on and some of it is so bad, it's funny.

Aragorn and Legolas??? Oh come on... everyone knows Legolas has the hots for Gimli...



:p

[RecoveringKinkoid]

All of you who answered have done a great job of taking some of the mystery off the question for me, thanks.

However, I have another question now.

Male pregnancy.

No, I didn't just see it just the one time.

The F:censored:ck??????

[MystyGlyttyr]

However, I have another question now.

Male pregnancy.

I like to play with the laws of physics as much as the next girl?

Though to be honest, the closest I've come to a "male pregnancy" in a story is having shapeshifting characters, and allowing for them to swap genders because of it. In my AU worlds, shapeshifters are, by their nature, androgynous, and can choose either gender at whim. Some have to become female and remain that way to carry a baby to term, but I also made certain kinds of them "humanoids" instead of actual humans, and altered a lot of things about pregnancy so that it's less an actual pregnancy and more an incubation. That breed of character has to shapeshift into a female to GET pregnant, but once they are, the baby forms it's own sort of womb and doesn't require any sort of connection to the parent (they feed off energy and emotions, not needing actual food), so once the parent is pregnant, they can swap back and forth at will again.

So far as birth, as one of them put it, "When it's time, you either get a C-section or you turn back into a girl and push it out. It's not rocket science."

I find male pregnancy a fascinating concept, though. I'm not sure if it's the thought of watching a male having to figure out all the stuff that comes with it, if it's the way anything pregnant instantly becomes a more vulnerable subject capable of all kinds of new emotional development, or if it's just because it's something taboo and verboten and that's the sort of stuff I like to play with. :D

So far as why most people do it, though, it's probably just a way to lead into more cuddling tearful uke scenes within their slashfic.

[Boozy]

Blurring the line between the sexes is appealing to some people. And what could be more "female" than pregnancy?

[Rapscallion]

There was a great story in the Judge Dredd Megazine called "Al's Baby". The main character Al was married to the daughter of the mob (he was one of the chief enforcers), and she didn't want to ruin her figure, so...

Yeah, ended up with a a pregnant male gangster going around shooting people. It wasn't fanfic, and it was done really well. Pretty funny as well.

Rapscallion

[Amethyst Hunter]

However, I have another question now.

Male pregnancy.

No, I didn't just see it just the one time.

The F:censored:ck??????

I'm right there with ya on that one. XD The only way I could write one of those would be if it was a total crackfic/parody. *Regular* pregnancy in general squicks me out; I have no interest in writing mpreg myself.

But, as with all things, I understand that others have their kinks/squicks, and I just go my merry way while they go theirs, and all is well.

(For the record, my squicks: Rapefics, incest, abuse, and the abovementioned mpreg. There're probably more, but those are the big ones that I *refuse* to write.)

[Lace Neil Singer]

Rapefic makes me feel incandescent with rage; no, I have nothing against someone having a character who's a rape or child abuse victim, but ffs write them properly. Something like that would take years for the person to even manage to have a semblance of trust again... yet some idiots insist that just ten minutes of healing sexxors will cure them. :rolleyes:

As for mpreg; I'm yet to see a fic deal with it properly. Regarding shapeshifters; well, if you ever decide to read the Norse myths, you will see an example of mpreg right there. XD

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Yeah, I have to admit if something says "male pregnancy" "incest" or looks like it involves kids in sexual situations, I won't touch it with a ten foot pole while wearing a haz mat suit. While it doesn't send me screaming into the night, I probably won't look a a rape story. And I feel kind of dirty after seeing some fics about real people in sexual situations, so I will go on and admit I'm apparently not comfortable with that either. Especially if it features (for instanceJ) Sambora playing hide the salami with Bon Jovi or some such thing. That just squicks me a bit too much. Really, I'm not entirely sure I'd be comfortable with het sex with real people. It just seems way too personal to me.

[the_std]

This thread made me wonder... Why do people get so grossed out by this kind of stuff? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm genuinely curious. I mean, it's all made up and 95% is practically impossible to come true in real life.

I dunno, I've never had a problem reading mpreg or rape or incest of any kind of "devious" fanfic, but then again, I've kind of made an unofficial study of sex and sexuality of my life, so I might just be a little more used to it than the average person.

Anyways, personal viewpoints would be appreciated.

[anriana]

This thread made me wonder... Why do people get so grossed out by this kind of stuff? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm genuinely curious. I mean, it's all made up and 95% is practically impossible to come true in real life.

I dunno, I've never had a problem reading mpreg or rape or incest of any kind of "devious" fanfic, but then again, I've kind of made an unofficial study of sex and sexuality of my life, so I might just be a little more used to it than the average person.

Anyways, personal viewpoints would be appreciated.

I don't understand why male pregnancy fics are gross. Weird, yeah, but gross? I don't get that either.

I've read plenty of rape fics and some of them are well done and help tell a story, but when they're essentialy PWP (porn without plot) rapefics, they are disturbing. I like dark stories, but when the author just writes a smutty story about rape because they think non-consensual sex is hot and doesn't have any serious impact on people (the characters bounce back from it in five minutes), it has disturbing implications. I used to frequent a Buffy BDSM newslist and was greatly disturbed by the number of non-con fics posted - BDSM must be consensual but 75% of the stories posted were poorly written rape and/or torture fap fests. What if those people actually practiced kink believing that non-con activities have little to no effect on people?

I don't see why consensual real life fics are that disturbing either. Our society already fetishizes celebrities, and most of them represent an idea more than an actual person. I know my best friend and would find it weird to fantasize over him, but I don't know celebrities as anything more than what the media presents them as. I'm also not sure why queer rl fanfic is more disturbing than het rl fanfic.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I'm not grossed out by mpreg, I'm just yet to see a fic that actually does it properly. Most fics just use it as an excuse to be misogynist, or to reduce a strong male character into a whimpering mess. I don't understand that attitude.

Re: rapefic; I agree with Anriana on the PWP thing. The absolute worst fic in that context I ever read was Celebrian, followed closely by this horrible fic written by this guy who talked about the HP characters being tortured and raped. I just don't understand why people can write stuff like that, and they might just one day decide to put their fantasies into practice on real people.

[Xanthina]

I stopped reading LOTR fanfics due to the overwhelming amount of Slash and MarySue and MarySue-Slash there is, lol. Legolas/Aragorn Legolas/Gimli Elrond/Aragorn Frodo/Bilbo Frodo/Sam Bilbo/Gandalf Merry/Pippin Merry/Pippin/Frodo/Sam

Weirdest I ever read, which was bordering on Parody was a Legolas mpreg as the surigate for Aragorn and Arwen

Best I've ever read is "The Very Secret Diaries"

'Still not King' *grumble*

[Amethyst Hunter]

Best I've ever read is "The Very Secret Diaries"

'Still not King' *grumble*

Sam will kill you if you try anything. :D

[Xanthina]

"Pointy hat trick"

"Still prettiest"

"All right, who's been using all my strawberry bath bubbles?"

[Lace Neil Singer]

I demand that you link me! XD Or else, I fear I shall be forced to link you to Celebrian! XD

[Xanthina]

Here you are then: The Very Secret Diaries (http://www.ealasaid.com/misc/vsd/)

[Saydrah]

Theoretically, mpreg is possible for humans-- it's just so highly unethical to try it that nobody has. There was a great article in The Stranger about the possibility of successful male pregnancy in the future. In Vitro fertilization, implanted into the abdominal cavity, and C-section later; it'd essentially be an ectopic pregnancy.

My fanfic tastes generally run toward the bizarre (though not Mpreg... more like unlikely slash pairings, dubious consent, etc.)-- I think mainly because it's a temporary mental escape from reality, not serious literature in my opinion. I like fanfic that depicts things that are certainly wrong and would not appeal to me in the slightest in real life, because what the heck, it's fanfiction, not an Owner's Manual for Life!

[Fire_on_High]

I've seen some very odd pairings in "innocent" genres like TMNT...

I spend most of my time reading Pern fanfic, so greenriders being greenriders doesn't really phase me a bit. They did it in canon novels so what's going to stop greens from flying and blues from chasing in fanfic?

Other than that....Loveless, nuff said, keep it TASTEFUL, and Valdemar...with Vanyel as a hero... again, nuff said.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Check out the Sonic fandom for some seriously creeptastic sex stories. I am not joking; I wish I were. O_o

[Dasota]

Finding Nemo slash... I wish I were joking.

Fanfic in general I am very much a one fandom girl (Nsync) and I have seen some of the best and worst things ever written. Name it, it's in the fandom (rapefic, incest, mpreg, orgys etc..)

And the only thing that ever disturbed me in the fandom was a story I read about how Justin was trying to find a way to make a blow-up doll look like his mom, and that was because it was well written and realistic.

As for why with slash? I like slash because it is an equivalent to guys liking lesbian porn for me. Also it was really hard to come across any Mary/Gary stories especially in a fandom where why would one of them choose outside the group when they have 4 other guys?

[Saydrah]

Off Topic:

*shakes fist*

I am weak.

I have done what I swore I'd never do.

I.... *teardrop*

Wrote a fanfic.

Turns out it's a great cure for writer's block, and I have no idea why I didn't try it before! I don't have to muck around with creating characters or backstory or settings, I can just write for an hour or so and get warmed up before moving on to what I was having trouble with.

Mine's G-rated so far, though. I'm staying firmly within my comfort zone, thank you very much, at least until I get a little more comfortable with using someone else's characters!

On topic:

I nominate for scariest fandom... Teen Titans. There's the underage thing, plus Beast Boy, not to mention Starfire and her metamorphosis thing... YIPE.

I also recently found a pretty terrifying political fanfic. I couldn't finish it. Too squicked. It was about the candidates in the 2008 presidential primaries being warped back to high school, on prom night.

YEAUGH!

[MystyGlyttyr]

Off Topic:

*shakes fist*

I am weak.

I have done what I swore I'd never do.

I.... *teardrop*

Wrote a fanfic.

ONE OF US. ONE OF US. :p

It is pretty damn useful for getting through blocks. Granted, I haven't tried to write anything original in a while, but fanfic helps me keep sharp for when I do come up with an idea to write about that doesn't sound like everything else on Earth. I'm batting around two ideas at the moment, my wrestling fic already on FF.net, and in the planning stages of rewriting Chrono Trigger as a fic with wrestlers in the slots just for shits and giggles. (Dave Batista still living with his mom is humorous, I don't care who you are.)

I also recently found a pretty terrifying political fanfic. I couldn't finish it. Too squicked. It was about the candidates in the 2008 presidential primaries being warped back to high school, on prom night.

YEAUGH!

That sounds fantastically hilarious, except in every possible wrong way there is.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Worst fic; Celebrian. Tho, I have read some pretty nasty HP rapefic written by a guy with an obviously diseased mind. -.- As well as some horrible slash that seemingly recreates the Mr Hands story... O.o I weep for humanity, I really do.

[Saydrah]

ONE OF US. ONE OF US. :p

(snip)


That sounds fantastically hilarious, except in every possible wrong way there is.

Yeah but you'll never find me! MWAHAHAHA! I used... a different username!

:p

....

It was funny in parts. Notably, Bill Clinton's role amused me, as did Hillary and Michelle Obama cast as BFFs... but mostly, if was horrifically disturbing!

[PepperElf]

Oy HP... What paring HAVEN'T they done with that series?

On a lark once I looked up Hermione / Dumbledore and found ... yeah. Someone went there.

I'm not much into reading the slash myself... maybe a story once in a while, though I have seen some regular stories with slash couples in the background. Harry/Draco seems to be a popular one.

Then again, come to think of it, Dumbledore himself was homosexual. Not mentioned in the series, but JK Rowling did make a public statement about it.


Though I'm reminded of a gal I knew at work. She was always - and I mean always - telling us about the Yaoi stories she was writing. To the point that I sometimes went out of my way to avoid her. Not that I disliked the topic of fanfic or slashfic but... It was always a series I knew nothing about, aside from one story featuring people from Rent. (and I never saw Rent). So it was always a bunch of hand written stories that didn't actually interest me. And always 100% slash - both gay and lesbian.

So, not only did it get old, fast... but when she confessed that she was bi... Well, I didn't say it but... yeah I kinda already knew.


as for my own fanfics, ... can't really say my pairings are popular... I tend to swing towards older man / younger (but legal) girl. Like Wolverine/Rogue. But I haven't done any slash yet.

[depechemodefan]

With the Buffy series, I can see slash with Spike and Angel, since they are vampires and vampires have a whole level of kink to them. Though it depends on how the story is written. If Spike is a total wimp and Angel(us) is a total control freak, then it's crap.
Also, with vampires, you can have weird rape stories. Say, we know Angelus drove Dru insane when she was human. We also knows she worships him as Angelus (but as Angel she has no problem killing him). So if a fic is written of her as human/newly-risen vamp being raped by Angelus and loves him, it's based on canon (well, we only know Angelus made her insane, not if he raped her), that's ok. Also, their vampires. Chains are probably involved in foreplay anyway.
Also, in one ep (Lovers Walk) Spike says he's going to torture Dru until she loves him again. Since they are vampires, I can see that.
Vampires can have the kinks, the disgusting habits, the superstregnth, etc, that humans can't have and so they can do stuff humans don't normally do and seem alright.
Though there are the stories where Buffy/Willow/Cordy/Faith get raped that I don't like.

I try not to read HP, though I did come across one fic where Herm. gets raped (luckily it's behind the scenes) by I think Draco, and Snape takes care of her and they fall in love...and it was barfworthy. Herm. needs to be healed by someone who loves her.

Talking about MPreg, I remember the tv show, Alienation, where one male alien char. is pregnant for a while. I figure it's for the hijinks, but MPreg is just odd.

[Dreamstalker]

Tho, I have read some pretty nasty HP rapefic written by a guy with an obviously diseased mind O.o I weep for humanity, I really do.
I've managed to forget some of the horrors that existed in the Ghostbusters fandom. To my knowledge the absolute worst offender in this regard has been purged from the interwebs as it should be. No, you don't want to know.

I'm still wondering whether I should be surprised or not that such stuff exists.

[Lace Neil Singer]

The Sonic fandom brings out some pretty bad stuff, too. It makes me very worried that a lot of the really awful fanfic comes from children's stories and computer games.

[Dreamstalker]

I'm not THAT open minded. :o I draw the line at incest. I draw the line at het incest, even. :o
I've read a couple hetfics where the author doesn't even realize she's committing incest (typically the Mary Sue in question is somehow related to one of the main characters and the timeline/plot is so convoluted even the Suethor gets confused). Slash incest that doesn't involve a Stu is ruled out by definition...although at times I would like to see someone try just to see what kind of AU they come up with that allows that.

That is sometimes "rectified" by having the Sue be related to someone else's original character...which is almost as bad but at least it's more easily detectable. When the other author finds out, things can get interesting.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Reminds me of My Immortal; where Tara wants to be related to Gerard Way cuz he's hot. XD

[Dreamstalker]

I think all Suethors start out being related to one/all of the main characters. The distinction is which ones actually learn from their mistakes.