Miss California?

[linguist]

"Marrying" another person of the same gender, or your car, or your dog, is not marriage.

ok, this is the second time you've made some variation of this ridiculous statement. it's not only insulting in the extreme, it's dehumanizing toward homosexuals. you say you don't hate homosexuals? dehumanizing them is about as hate-filled as it gets.

It's none of my business what you do in private,

it's none of your business what anyone does, period.

[Rubystars]

Oh homosexuality is perfectly natural but so are other animalistic instincts. It might also be considered natural to murder people who are your rivals (certainly human history is full of this, and chimpanzees kill other chimps). Morality is often about resisting base urges that we have as animals. It could also be considered natural to just take what you want. Let's say you're hungry and there is a display of candy at the store. You shouldn't just open it and start munching away and then go about your business as if nothing happened. You're supposed to pay for the candy first. Children have a lot of base instincts that they have to be trained out of, such as learning table manners, not biting other people, etc.

I think having sex as something that married men and women do is another aspect of a healthier society.

If you're a man, everyone has the same equal right to marry a woman. If you're a woman, everyone has the same equal right to marry a man. That's what marriage is. "Marrying" another person of the same gender, or your car, or your dog, is not marriage. It's none of my business what you do in private, and I respect your right to make personal choices about your sex life or who you love and hang out with. I do get a little irritated when you want to take that and force the public to acknowledge it as something on the same level as traditional marriage.

If you're gay, then I will still be nice to you just like I would anybody else. I'm not out to beat you up or burn your house down or any of that other really "hateful" stuff. That doesn't mean that I have to agree with what you do in order for me to be a good person, now, does it?

[blas87]

There are a hell of a lot bigger problems in this world to be worrying about, than going out of the way to bash gay people and make it illegal for them to marry and have the same rights as heterosexual people.

It's fucking disgusting.

That is all.

[smileyeagle1021]

it affects my insurance premiums so it's not just me being mean about it.

Please clarify, you are against gay marriage because it will affect insurance premiums?
You know what really affects insurance premiums? Obese people, smokers, people with genetic dispositions, diabetics, cancer patients, and yes, people who are getting joint insurance rather than individual insurance... that said, I'm pretty sure that married couples that get joint insurance are one of the smaller influences on premiums.
So, how bout we move on. What about the other couple hundred of legal protections, the larger of which being hospital visitation and the right to make medical decisions, inheritance and probate rights, prenuptial protections, and tax benefits, just to name a few. Yes, a lot of those rights (sans tax benefits) can be achieved independent of marriage/civil unions, but rather than costing a nominal fee and an afternoon at the county clerk's office involves weeks if not months of time with attorneys and can cost several thousands of dollars. Unless you are a lawyer who makes those several thousands of dollars, the vast majority of those other rights will in no way affect you, and the rights that do affect you will be so minimal and be caused by more groups than just homosexuals, to be fair to blame on homosexuals exclusively.

And saying that it just aint natural is an argument that needs to be put to rest. "The penis is not meant to go into the anus" and little pieces of plastic aren't meant to be placed on the surface of the eye, sharp pieces of metal aren't meant to be inserted into the skin, machines aren't meant to be placed inside the body, joints aren't meant to be replaced, etc.
Humans rarely do anything 'natural' anymore, God has given us the ability to improve on nature, and we have used that ability.
I am able to see clearly because someone came up with the idea that you can place a lens on top of the eye's natural lens in order to create a clearer image. I am safe from many diseases because someone came up with the idea of injecting immunizations into the skin. I still have my mother because someone came up with the idea of using a needle to inject chemicals into the body to fight cancer. I am able to walk with my mother rather than push her in a wheelchair because someone came up with the idea to create an artificial knee. I was granted an entire two additional years with my grandma because someone came up with the idea of placing a machine inside her body to stimulate her heart. I challenge anyone to say any of those 'unnatural' actions were a bad thing.

Why then are people opposed to the idea of me spending my life with the man I love (when/if I find out who that is)? Why then are people opposed to the idea of me being able to enter into a CIVIL contract with that man for mutual protection? Because it's not natural? I hate to say it, but if that is your only answer (and not targeting you in particular Rubystars), then you are a hypocrite for accepting other 'unnatural' improvements to society while denying that one.

[Nyoibo]

As for the g-spot thing, it's possible to stimulate arousal in that area. That was what I was getting at. It may or may not be defined as a "g-spot," though.

The g-spot is a specific spot on a woman (or should that be in?) there's also a number of other spots.

What I do have a problem with is that they take what should be a private matter between the individuals, flash it in front of everyone, and then demand that their actions be accepted as normal.

I'm gonna turn that around and say the exact same thing about hetero married couples

They want to force little kids to learn about homosexual behavior in schools, at ages when they might not even know that boys and girls have different parts yet.

I don't believe in any sex ed until they're old enough to realize the difference between boys and girls and actually be interested in it, but given that homosexual behaviour is part of some peoples makeup I think that it needs to be addressed as well as heterosexual behaviour.

[Rubystars]

It's not so much their "Getting their kink on" as you so delicately put it, that I have a problem with, although I certainly don't condone such behavior. I don't think it's good for people to do that and yes, I do believe that it is morally wrong, but that's not my problem if they decide to do it. They're the ones that will have to face the health and moral consequences that come with it, so I'm not going to force them to stop in any way. If they decide to get it on with each other, it's none of my business, and that's how it should stay.

What I do have a problem with is that they take what should be a private matter between the individuals, flash it in front of everyone, and then demand that their actions be accepted as normal. If you don't accept them as normal and as being just the same as a straight couple, then you're a "homophobe", and a "bigot". They want to force little kids to learn about homosexual behavior in schools, at ages when they might not even know that boys and girls have different parts yet. The whole thing seems like an "in your face" attack. Then they scream that they're the ones being attacked and hated.

[JuniorMintz]

Straight people have anal sex, too. Also, if it's so unnatural, then why is there a G spot in the anus? Also, even if it does present some dangers, why not let the people who have anal sex worry about that? I keep hearing about how conservatives believe in personal responsibility...

Quoted and bolded for truth.

[JuniorMintz]

Seriously, what gives any of us the right to an opinion when it comes to the gay lifestyle anyway? People keep saying "it's not right, it's a perversion" (and I'm not just saying this to single out Rubystars, there are a LOT of people in my life who have said almost the exact thing), but so what? Gay's aren't the only ones who like to get their kink on, you know.

So long as everyone involved is a consenting partner of legal age to be engaging in sexual activity, what happens in a neighbor's bedroom is none of mine or anyone else's business.

I'm not threatened one bit by the idea of gay marriage. I learned that it is up to my husband and I to uphold the sanctity of our marriage, and us alone. No one and nothing will ever sway me from this belief.

[Flyndaran]

Two people loving eachother and wanting the same rights as you is denying you rights?
That makes no sense. Heck you and your church can define wombat any way you want, but when you strip others of rights and try to enshrine it in law is when you go too far.

[Rubystars]

I'm not denying them any rights. They can go have sex with each other if they want to. I just don't think they should pretend that this is the same thing as a man and a woman getting married and then demand that everyone else accept it as the same. They are infringing our rights when they start to demand that everyone else accept their lifestyle as normal and seek to legally legitimize it.

[guywithashovel]

GWaS, if you define hate as just not wanting someone to have something, or not agreeing with someones choice, you live in a very hate filled world.

Also, there's no g-spot in the anus, there are a crapload of nerve endings, and it is possible for the g-spot to be stimulated on the female, or the prostate on the male.

I don't define hate that way. However, I can't help but see a certain amount of irony when someone supports the denial of rights to a certain group, and then turns around and says that they don't hate said group. Don't get me wrong. I do believe them when they say they don't actually "hate" them (most of the time). But the irony is still there.

As for the g-spot thing, it's possible to stimulate arousal in that area. That was what I was getting at. It may or may not be defined as a "g-spot," though.

[Rubystars]

I don't have a problem with animals doing it because they are animals. I think I read one time that there are snakes that will put off the smell of a female even though they're male, to trick other males into "mating" with them. Then they will go after the real female and pass their genes on. Other animals like bonobos use sex for social bonding in the group and for hierarchy purposes.

Just because something is ok for an animal though doesn't make it ok for people to do. I think everyone would be pretty dumbfounded if a woman justified decapitating her husband after sex by saying "Well it's perfectly natural, praying mantises do it".

I don't think they should have the right to "marry" because by definition a man and a man or a woman and a woman is not a marriage. A man and a woman getting married is a marriage. That's simply how marriage is defined. When they demand spousal rights, etc. it affects my insurance premiums so it's not just me being mean about it. To me the idea of a man and a man or a woman and a woman getting together and saying they're married is about as silly as someone marrying their car and demanding that marriage be recognized by society.

[AFPheonix]

As GWAS pointed out, straight people do anal too. Also, there's more than one way for a gay male to sex up another. Oral is popular too.
Further, other animals engage in homosexual sex. Is that not considered natural, even though it's found in nature?

I don't begrudge you or anyone else their views, but I do have a problem when those views affect what others are able to do in society. I can respect a person that doesn't agree with homosexuality and is still willing to allow them the right to a social contract to marry.

[Flyndaran]

Human beings fight nature in every way.
We are the poster child for unnatural.
You want natural? Go back to the freakin' jungle alone and live off termites and dirt.

[Rubystars]

I am not going to tell someone that they can't have gay sex. That doesn't mean that I have to think that it's perfectly normal or "Ok" for someone to do that. I don't think that it's normal or OK. I'm not stopping them from doing it, so I don't see what rights I would be infringing. I just don't agree with what they are doing.