Miss California?

[Greenday]

I'm just curious, what was the actual question asked?

Was it "what's your states view on gay marriage?" If so, then perhaps her answer was bad.

If it was "What is your view on gay marriage?" then it has exactly fuck all to do with the views of any one else in California, she was asked her view on it, not someone elses.

She was asked her own view on gay marriage, not the state's. So she gave her own opinion.

[Nyoibo]

I'm just curious, what was the actual question asked?

Was it "what's your states view on gay marriage?" If so, then perhaps her answer was bad.

If it was "What is your view on gay marriage?" then it has exactly fuck all to do with the views of any one else in California, she was asked her view on it, not someone elses.

[smileyeagle1021]

You say she's supposed to answer the question as being someone that represented the whole of California, did not the majority of voters in November agree with her?

a very slim majority... one of the few votes that couldn't be called until every single ballot had been counted. Also one in which many of the people who voted for it now claim to regret... a good number of people are now saying they weren't voting against gay marriage, they were voting against the slippery slope fear mongering of the so called 'christian' right.

Oh, and just because 50%+1 of a population is bigoted doesn't mean that their spokesperson should be too.

eta- and yes, if you think two gay people should not be granted the same protections as two straight people you are a bigot. Just like if you think all mormons are horrible people because of the church's official stance on gay marriage, you are also a bigot. And, I'll admit that I too, am a bigot, for thinking all republicans are corrupt, uncaring bastards who want to turn the United States of America into the Christian Theocratic Republic of America. I doubt there is a single member of this forum who can legitimately claim to be completely free of bigotry... the question is whether or not you can recognize your bigotry and keep it in check and whether or not your bigotry hurts others. My distrust of republicans isn't going to hurt anyone other than politicians... and honestly, if they lose by my one vote, they probably had bigger problems than just my bigotry against them... when someone else though says that gays shouldn't be granted equal rights, you have ended up discriminating against up to 10% of the population... big difference.

[Tanasi]

Her answer may have been unpopular, but the fact that she has violated her contract should've been the sole reason why she shouldn't be able to keep the crown. I don't share her view on marriage being only between a man and woman, but I think it's just the way she gave out her answer as MISS CALIFORNIA. She was supposed to represent the state and keep her opinion/beliefs to herself and she could've given a better response to a loaded question without completely selling herself out during the competition. As for the titty shots...whatever,there's more provocative ones out there than I care to look at (I'm straight btw). Model Christian Girl my ass.

You say she's supposed to answer the question as being someone that represented the whole of California, did not the majority of voters in November agree with her? If she had answered she was all for gay marriage she might have offened even more people. So basically it comes down to who's ox is getting gored.
It was a shitty question and the only reason it and others are asked it they are measuring the contestents abilty to spout off the current politically correct opinion with all the correct buzz words. That's the problem with all this PC shit only a few people are doing any thinking and very little of that. They asked her opinion and she gave it, now the so-called powers that be are trying to come up with anything and everything to get her crown yanked for no other reason than to be spiteful. That's the truth and you know it.
As for Shanna Moakler the translation for her resignation is The Donald told her if she didn't like his decision she could suck lemons. Moakler tried to use some power she thought she had and found out she didn't have it. Now she's looking for work.

[Sylvia727]

That article's quote, about it being a woman's prerogative to change her mind? That stems from the time when women had no rights, no property, no liberty, no nuthin'. The men from that time held that it was unfair to hold a woman to her word when she had no power to back it up with. It was a way of giving her one tiny option in an era when she had few or no options. Nowadays? Well, I'm not going to claim that women have equal status in practice, but they do in theory, and they certainly have enough power and enough options that they can be held accountable for their words. If Ms. Moekler wants to take a stand on an issue that important to her, good on her. But even if she's just waffling back and forth, she can do that because she's a person, not because she's a woman. Men are just capable of waffling and wishywashying as any woman.

[tropicsgoddess]

Her answer may have been unpopular, but the fact that she has violated her contract should've been the sole reason why she shouldn't be able to keep the crown. I don't share her view on marriage being only between a man and woman, but I think it's just the way she gave out her answer as MISS CALIFORNIA. She was supposed to represent the state and keep her opinion/beliefs to herself and she could've given a better response to a loaded question without completely selling herself out during the competition. As for the titty shots...whatever,there's more provocative ones out there than I care to look at (I'm straight btw). Model Christian Girl my ass.

[kiwi]

shanna-moakler-resigns-miss-usa

good on her

[Evandril]

Look at all her other comments, is there much doubt of her intelligence, or lack thereof?

[Greenday]

Naked model in front of cameraman... didn't know about possible pictures...
so stupidity is her excuse?

She is a model...

[AFPheonix]

She just randomly shows her tits to people? Well, good news for people in CA that like fake tits I guess.

[Flyndaran]

I saw her on TV last night. She claims these newer pictures that are out she had no idea about. She says she was at a photoshoot and that they were taking a break. She was messing around with the photographer and had no idea he was actually taking pictures.

Naked model in front of cameraman... didn't know about possible pictures...
so stupidity is her excuse?

[Greenday]

I saw her on TV last night. She claims these newer pictures that are out she had no idea about. She says she was at a photoshoot and that they were taking a break. She was messing around with the photographer and had no idea he was actually taking pictures.

[linguist]

That's it? She was in danger of losing her crown over some titty shots where you can maybe see a bit of a nip? Lame.

As for the question she was asked, I may not agree with her answer, but I'm with Donald Trump on this one: no matter what way she answered, she would have gotten shit on by somebody.

as i understand it, it was not the shots themselves, but the fact that she didn't disclose them. the contract they sign upon entering the pageant asks for voluntary disclosure of any information (such as nude or semi-nude pictures) that could potentially embarass the contestant or pageant. the contract also says that any such information is not automatically grounds for disqualification, but will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis by pageant officials. by not disclosing these photos, however tame, she was in violation of her contract.

[kiwi]

No, Kiwi, she hasn't lost her crown.

opps my bad, I read an article early this morning that said that the officals of miss california had removed her crown but they had to await what trump said... they made it sound like they were two seperate things but obviously not.

The pageant officials claim that Carrie is no longer doing events with the Miss California officials and has not made herself available to them. So, in response, the heads have chosen Tami Farrell, the 2009 Miss California First Runner-Up, to be the new Miss California Ambassador.

meh she can still suck lemons

[DesignFox]

Tame or not, that looks like partial nudity to me. Model Christian my ass.

They should give her crown to the runner-up.

And I'm glad she didn't win the pageant.

Although, I have to question WHY they ask such controversial questions...I mean, this waste of flesh just turned her title into a campaign against gay marriage!