No right to childfree spaces?!

[Fire_on_High]

*snicker* Love this.

little Cznoflayke

Anyway.

Kids, ugh...the "no names" mod thread makes me grind my teeth in rage. I. Loathe. Children.

If I go to Mickey D's or even the game store, I realize I'm essentially forfeiting my adult right to be free from shrieking, running, crying, and all else by going to a place that's considered a kid place. Their place, their norms.

But some of the things I've read from others....the BAR?! I don't drink, so I've never seen this firsthand, but seriously...a BAR?! Raunchy novelty stores??! I'm guessing these same parents would scream bloody murder if their kids used a curse word or talked about one of the items in a store like that.

All said, I think I'd be more fond of kids, if more parents had a lick of sense, and made some effort TO PARENT. If I had EVER behaved like some of the stuff I see, I would have been dragged out of the store and not allowed back in public til I was old enough to drive myself there. I just don't GET it....

[Red Panda]

I think if a parent wants to bring a kid someplace thats up to the parent. theres no reason to limit what they feel their kid can handle. A kids behavior is a seperate issue

[Kimmik]

I have been in many a upper class restaurant and seen people bring young ones in... it is a shame. I can understand say children over 12ish as they can follow directions. I was going to fancy places at 12 because I knew what was expected of me. How ever I would not think of dragging a 7mo old along.

Ooo and fucking parents that drag dick and jane out to go shopping at like 1am... *turns funny shades* I hate them most of all. for heavens sakes of course your kid is acting like a possessed demon child... dont you get cranky when fracking tired???!!!

[anakhouri]

I think the majority of parents are reasonable human beings and know this is crao. Like Kimmik said, places like stores and libraries and certain restaurants you have to expect there will probably be kids and deal with it. But there should definitely be places in the world where children are not allowed, because it's simply not appropriate- bars and high-end restaurants, comedy clubs etc. If we make smokers stand on the street, it's OK to keep children out of certain places.

If your friends want to go someplace without your kid, leave the kid at home. Or find new friends who also take their children everywhere.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I have no issue with parents at restaurants or in a store, and the parent is making a concerted effort to engage the child and/or placate the child.

To me, it depends on the type of restaurant. If I go into McDonalds, or to a specifically family restaurant and someone has a wailing child, then I expect it. I might not be happy about it (tho I will be more happy if the parents are trying to quiet the child) but it's what I expect when I go to those places.

However, if I'm in a pub (in England, a pub does not necessarily sell food; also, not all pubs that sell food are family friendly) or in a posh restaurant, and someone has a wailing child, then I'm very annoyed. As far as I'm concerned, they can either shut their child up, or get the fuck out. I specifically go to family unfriendly places to escape children; people with kids should not invade those places with their children, especially if said children can't behave themselves.

Like I said before, I don't go to the adventure playground and smoke, occasionally pushing a child off the swings. So it's only fair that the kiddie brigade leave the adult places alone. No-one's saying that if you have a child, you have to live in complete isolation and never leave the house. All I and other childfree people would like is a little consideration.

If you want to head out to a pub, club or cinema after dark, then either leave the child at home with a sitter, or don't go. Don't drag little Cznoflayke with you and therefore end up wrecking other people's nights out when she screams, runs around, and ends up by sitting there grizzling cuz she doesn't want to be out on the town, she wants to be home cuz get this, she is a three year old child, not a tiny adult, and does not belong out on the tiles.

[Giggle Goose]

Honestly? I can't even imagine the sense of entitlement the bloggers kids are going to grow up with.

Seriously....so when her "spehsul snowflake" is a teenager is she going to call her mom and whine that she got carded for a pack of cigs or beer? I guess LAWS discriminate against children, too

[Peppergirl]

I will do my best to make sure my child is being respectful, but damn it.. if I am in a family restaurant and she is babbling and playing with her key ring teether and she drops them and starts to cry... dont send me a glare and out loud to your company state, this is why children shouldn't be allowed in restaurants.

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This. 1000x this.

I have no issue with parents at restaurants or in a store, and the parent is making a concerted effort to engage the child and/or placate the child.

Kids will be kids. I've been in this position more times than I care to count.

It's the parents that let their kids run wild and make no effort, or think little johnny's fussing is so adorable and that everyone should just kowtow to them and their needs. Those are the parents I think should be strung up.

[Lace Neil Singer]

If that woman wants to bring her three year old to the bar; fine. She just shouldn't expect the likes of me and my friends to stop talking about sex, violent movies, swearing or giving sexy men marks out of ten and discussing the comparative sizes of men's dicks. I'd just love to see her face when little Cznoflayke expresses the things she's learned by being taken to bars in playschool.

Also, since this woman does not want people to discriminate by age; does that mean that I and my mates can come to her kiddy's daycare armed with cigarettes and bottles of alcopops? Or that we can all sit in the child's playground swings and talk about adult things there? After all, if she complained about us, she'd only be discriminating about age...

[Kimmik]

I have dealt with this recently.

My friends know I have a child... where I go my child goes.. if my child isn't welcome then I pass. I also don't begrudge my friends for wanting to go out and they understand that as a parent my main purpose is to my daughter.
I don't do the bar scene, so that is not an issue.. what I dislike is people when I am shopping and the 7mo old starts to cry I get glares... I am sorry but that is what 7mo old do.. they cry, make noises and tend to spit up at odd times.. or when mommy forgot her extra shirt lol

I would not take my child to an "adult" place... such as a comedy club, reg club, bar, high class restaurant since they don't belong in a place like that. But if I am in a store, restaurant, or other place that a person would go during their day I expect people to understand that no you can not tell a 7mo to shush they dont get that. I will do my best to make sure my child is being respectful, but damn it.. if I am in a family restaurant and she is babbling and playing with her key ring teether and she drops them and starts to cry... dont send me a glare and out loud to your company state, this is why children shouldn't be allowed in restaurants.

How ever as a Parent I also have the responsibility to be a parent and understand that there is just some places that a wee one should go.. But if I am taking my nephews to a museum she is coming to.. I try to keep her amused and happy but she is going to cry... that is how she lets the world know that something is wrong.

[draggar]

The writer lost any credibility with their refusal to use capital letters.

[Rapscallion]

I don't drink. Ergo I don't frequent bars. How much right do I have to child free areas?

Rapscallion

[Peppergirl]

I don't get these women, I really don't.

When my kids were little, I loved nothing more than a night away from them once in awhile. I loved my little-ones dearly, but I was a better parent to them when I was able to take a breather occasionally.

Then again, if I did choose to take my kid to a restaurant or other public place and they acted up, guess what - I disciplined them and didn't allow them to bother other people. It's called PARENTING.

What is it with this fucking mentality nowadays that everyone should be ready, willing and able to have their peace and quiet destroyed? I don't blame the kids at all...kids will be kids, but it's up to a parent do control the child and make it a proper environment for EVERYONE, not just your kid.

If you want your kid to run wild, take them to a park or someplace that caters to kids.

And I firmly believe there should be places where adults can enjoy time together without kids...like a bar.

[Rebel]

This reminded me of something that happened at the liquor store I worked at.

Come X-mas time, we had a variety of novelty shaped candy and glassware. The favourites were the 'Penis Pops' and the boob-shaped shot glasses. All of these were for display on the tills, and the store was well within it's right to sell them due to the 19+ age restriction of the store (of which is posted on both entrances).

During the time we were selling them, we had at least 4 women complain to management, and some even threatening to complain to head office.
Why?
Because they had brought their young children into the store and they didn't think the novelty gifts were appropriate for young eyes.

Needless to say, management pointed out the age restrictions of the store and the fact that the parent had chosen to bring their child in despite them.

So, sure you can bring your child where ever you like, but you do it at your own risk.

What I want to know, is would the original author of the blog post take her children to the strippers, or to a night club, or to a NC-17 film?
Some place should be child-free.

[pssorens]

I checked into the blog later, and the writers allies are staging a furious counterattack.
Honestly? I can't even imagine the sense of entitlement the bloggers kids are going to grow up with.

[Greenday]

Wah, the world won't cater to her because she did something the majority of women can do. Boo hoo.

She chose to have a kid. She SHOULD own up to it. When tons of alcohol is around, kids have no place there. If I was 20, I wouldn't be allowed in so why the hell should a 3 year old that isn't even close get to?