Barney Frank pwned a person asking a question.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I have to say, I'm for the plan so long as it's seriously revisited after some good third party data-collecting. We're not going to get anything like a perfect or even good plan on the first shot... which is probably why it's taken so long to get here. Many, many laws work this way (Federal Assault Weapons ban, hopefully USAPATRIOT, even the constitution) and what we've gotten in the end is more than adequate in so far as it's good enough to accept what comparatively small flaws remain.

That said,
Epic pwnage, Barney Frank = 1337 FTW ^_^!!!1one11!eleventy!

[Hyena Dandy]

I'm far from Barney Frank's biggest fan. And I think there are definite problems with the plan.

But calling Obama Hitler is not the way to do it. I'm against this plan, but I'm also against immature tactics like this, and misrepresenting the content of the bill to have "Death Panels"

Which is bullshit, because I read it, and there's nothing like that.

[Fashion Lad!]

thank you... I've been bothered for a while now that so far there has been nothing heard from those who oppose the current plan doing anything other than yelling "OMG socialism" without having a meaningful alternative... I know a meaningful well thought out alternative must exist... surely in a nation of 300million people we can come up with something other than public option and no option.

I think other people have mentioned other ideas. But Barney Frank comparing some lady to a table is much more entertaining.

[smileyeagle1021]

But the real travesty here is that these trolls aren't just shouting down voices of support for Obama's plan. They're also drowning out voices of legitimate opposition. Without those, without meaningful debate, the American people are more likely to get screwed all over again.

thank you... I've been bothered for a while now that so far there has been nothing heard from those who oppose the current plan doing anything other than yelling "OMG socialism" without having a meaningful alternative... I know a meaningful well thought out alternative must exist... surely in a nation of 300million people we can come up with something other than public option and no option.

[BroomJockey]

For the record, I just keep reading "Barney Fife." And then I wonder how that bumbling cop can pwn anyone.

[Boozy]

Barney Frank frightens me. I'd probably cry if he yelled at me like that.

Probably best to avoid saying blazingly moronic things like comparing health care reform to the Final Solution.

[Gravekeeper]

I have no idea who Barney Frank is, but I saw that exchange on the news and <3 it.

If more politicians would actually call these lunatics on their BS maybe there could be some sort of semi-intelligent debate around the issue.

[tropicsgoddess]

This was apropos for this particular topic and the cartoonist that made this (David Horsey) was on point!

[Talon]

The astroturfers are the unioin people, not the average Americans who don't what the government taking over their healthcare.

Oh really? So where were these "average Americans" during the last election? Obama made no secret of his plans to reform health care, and yet he won by a landslide. Now all of seven months later, a massive groundswell of "grassroots" opposition has suddenly sprung up out of nowhere? I don't think so!

But you know what, lets pretend for the sake of argument that the last election didn't happen. That still wouldn't change the fact that the arguments shouted out loudest by these anti-healthcare trolls are utter crap. Health care reform is a nazi policy? Bullshit.

But the real travesty here is that these trolls aren't just shouting down voices of support for Obama's plan. They're also drowning out voices of legitimate opposition. Without those, without meaningful debate, the American people are more likely to get screwed all over again.

[Rapscallion]

Hmm, filling the place with pro-health for all people as opposed to having supporters who try and accuse others of being nazis. I'm trying to work out which is worse.

Not taking me long.

The only reason average Americans don't want the government taking over healthcare is because they've been lied to. I get decent health care, and it doesn't cost me a fortune - none of it goes into the pockets of the shareholders because, let's face it, I am one of the shareholders!

Rapscallion

[Jason]

The astroturfers are the unioin people, not the average Americans who don't what the government taking over their healthcare. It has been shown that unions are busing / packing halls with pro-obamacare supporters.

[Jason]

No one is saying that the current system doesn't need fixing.
This blanket, government-run proposal goes WAY to far.

[Talon]

Here's the rest of Franks' exchange:

http://crooksandliars.com/dday/exclu...n-hall-meeting

Awesome pwnage of the Ignorant Brigade.

[Depot Denizen]

Of course, because oh my god, people might have a better chance at getting healthcare. Don'tcha know, the ebil gummint's gonna plant chips in everyone and kill us all off so they can rule teh world.

If citizens can get affordable healthcare and nationwide coverage, then good. I'm fucking lucky, I pay less than $100 a month for full medical/dental/vision coverage with decent coverage and benefits. I was uninsured for a while and it -sucked-. I went to the ER when I broke my foot and it cost me $500 to have the Doc give me a pair of crutches and tell me to wear my shoe for a week.

So don't give me that bullshit about "omg socialism".

[Fashion Lad!]

I dislike Barney Frank with a passion. I want him out of office now. At the same time, I don't think he was wrong and that lady made my argument look asinine. Oh and you just wait. This health care reform bill isn't a Trojan Horse for socialized medicine, it's right there.