First openly gay presidential Canidate!!!!!

[Greenday]

I do not honestly believe Obama was only ELECTED because he was black. I do believe people voted for him because he was black.

No one said he was elected because he is black.

[Hyena Dandy]

You honestly believe no one voted for Obama because he's black?

I do not honestly believe Obama was only ELECTED because he was black. I do believe people voted for him because he was black.

[Greenday]

It wouldn't happen in nearly the amounts as it worked for Obama but there would still be a small minority who would do it.

[AdminAssistant]

This is what would happen with a gay presidential candidate too.

No, it wouldn't, not if he runs as a Republican (or under a different Conservative banner). Conservatives won't vote for him strictly because he's gay. Liberals won't vote for him because he's a conservative. The ONLY people voting for him would be that small percentage of gay Conservatives. That's it. I don't know a SINGLE liberal who would vote for a conservative just because they were pro-LGBT rights.

[Greenday]

Considering there are people who went on record saying they voted against him because he is black, I wouldn't consider it too much of a leep to think that people would vote for him for the same reason.

Exactly. This is what would happen with a gay presidential candidate too.

[smileyeagle1021]

You honestly believe no one voted for Obama because he's black?

Considering there are people who went on record saying they voted against him because he is black, I wouldn't consider it too much of a leep to think that people would vote for him for the same reason.

[Greenday]

You honestly believe no one voted for Obama because he's black?

[Hyena Dandy]

A college level academic study on the matter is going a bit too far, if you ask me.

Especially if you want a double-blind study. How do you even HAVE a double-blind opinion poll?

I'm actually on your side on this one (people didn't just vote for Obama because he's black) but I think you're asking far too much.

[AdminAssistant]

Logically, it'd follow that there are plenty of bigoted people who would vote against kill a person because they are gay. In fact, it's been happening to gay politicians for years, Harvey Milk being a prime example.

Fixed that for ya.

[Greenday]

Not really, no. I hate anecdotal, "everyone knows", and "common sense" information. Common sense is most often absolutely wrong. "everyone knows" usually isn't and is also most often absolutely wrong. Anecdotes aren't reliable information either.

Really, with the internet we can Google up college-level references and citations on command. There's no reason why we shouldn't, either.

This is like having a conversation about gravity and someone stepping in and saying, "I need a citation for this that there is a thing called gravity." A lot of people at my college voted for Obama because they wanted to be part of voting in the first black president. They couldn't tell you anything about how either candidate's opinions on various issues, but that's it. Then there were people, who came right out in public and said they weren't voting for some black guy to run our country. Videos of racist people clearly stating they wouldn't vote for Obama because he is black were all over the internet during the campaign period. This meant they were voting for McCain because he was white and not black. There were plenty of open groups during the time who admitted they were voting for their candidate because of the color of their skin.

This doesn't mean everyone voted because of this, but there were plenty of people who were very public about doing so. There are plenty of people racist enough who will vote for a person based on the color of their skin. Logically, it'd follow that there are plenty of bigoted people who would vote against a person because they are gay. In fact, it's been happening to gay politicians for years, Harvey Milk being a prime example.

[FArchivist]

You're joking, right?

Not really, no. I hate anecdotal, "everyone knows", and "common sense" information. Common sense is most often absolutely wrong. "everyone knows" usually isn't and is also most often absolutely wrong. Anecdotes aren't reliable information either.

Really, with the internet we can Google up college-level references and citations on command. There's no reason why we shouldn't, either.

[Greenday]

Citation needed, preferably an academic study on the subject with double-blind testing.

You're joking, right?

[FArchivist]

A lot of people were shown on the news stating they had voted for Obama merely because he was black....Now, if Obama had been the best candidate, and people didn't harp on the fact he was black and make that his main selling point, then this wouldn't be an issue.

1) I never encountered a period during the Obama campaign where the campaign made "He's BLACK!" a selling point. Or the Democratic Party. Or anyone outside of a few meaningless blogs.

2) Black people are remarkably tired of being told they voted for Obama because he was black.

3) Aside from the paid shills who I presumed were put-up jobs, I haven't been able to locate anyone who ACTUALLY voted for Obama because he's black. On the other hand, I found a whole helluva lotta people who voted against him because, y'know, we can't have Negro in the White House! It wouldn't be the WHITE House anymore!

I'm sorry, but I find the whole people voted for Obama because he's black myth to be some of the most fallacious bullcrap to be spewed across the internet, along with the whole Birther horse-hockey. The numbers don't support the myth. Research doesn't support the myth.

There are plenty of people who would only vote for him for he was gay, just like there were plenty of people who voted for Obama because he was black.

Citation needed, preferably an academic study on the subject with double-blind testing.

[Greenday]

Most Republicans/conservatives won't vote for him because he's gay and even the most pro-LGBT rights liberal will NOT vote for a Republican/conservative. So...there's that.

A lot would if he's openly gay and the whole reason he seems to be running is that he wants to promote LGBT rights.

[AdminAssistant]

There are plenty of people who would only vote for him for he was gay

Most Republicans/conservatives won't vote for him because he's gay and even the most pro-LGBT rights liberal will NOT vote for a Republican/conservative. So...there's that.

Again - I really don't understand LGBT Republicans (or women for that matter). Being conservative, okay. Libertarian? Mkay. But signing up to be a card-carrying member of the GOP, an organization that wants to strip you (or deny you) of your basic rights? WHY?