Violence against women act reauthorized - All Republican Men vote NO

[Crazedclerkthe2nd]

It's very different from marrying a green card. A Visa only gives you a limited amount of time for a very specific reason.

Work Visas are issued for a job with a specific company. Lose that job and you lose the visa. School Visas are issued to foreign students. Quit or complete school and you lose the Visa. Personal Visas are issued for a specific amount of time. Your ass needs to be on a plane and out of the country before the time runs out or they will personally escort you out.

Issuing a Visa to an abuse victim could be for the length of time needed to receive medical care for any injuries sustained and prosecuting the attacker. I doubt it would be an open ended, never ending green card.

You are correct, but one thing you fail to realize is that once someone enters the country on a Visa, it is VERY difficult to remove them. A good percentage of immigrants deemed "illegal" are formerly legal immigrants who have overstayed their visas.

As an immigrant myself, I've studied a lot of this stuff. USCIS has remarkably little teeth when it comes to actually being able to remove people from the country. There some much process and bureaucracy to cut through to actually make it happen. It's not like they can just round them up and drop them off at the border.

[HYHYBT]

Those things.

Here's the problem: our Congress, as you may have noticed, doesn't get along well with itself. So rather than passing permanent laws, they sometimes do them on a temporary basis. It's why the 2001 tax cuts had to be renewed, for example. So yes, this bill is pretty much stuff we already have, but to KEEP those, it has to be renewed. Which is stupid, but just how it is.

[Andara Bledin]

You are correct, but one thing you fail to realize is that once someone enters the country on a Visa, it is VERY difficult to remove them.

Really?

According to data from the DHS, there are currently about 11.5m illegal residents in the US. That's up from 10.5m from 2005, and 8.5 in 2000. Since 2000, we have deported over 14m individuals, both by removal (we hold them, stick them on transport, and kick them out) and by voluntary return (we catch them, they hang their head in shame, and then leave without us having to put them on transport ourselves).

Estimate of Unauthorized Immigrant Population (pdf)
Aliens Removed or Returned (spreadsheet)

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[Hyena Dandy]

Perhaps (just perhaps) they had issues with parts of the legislation, not all of it! (that's the usual way with politics, yeah??)

Oh, so they were doing it so that gays and immigrants wouldn't be protected.

That's much better! I totally approve of this now.

[Nekojin]

Or they were just being obstructionist, as they have been since the last election.

[bara]

Or they were just being obstructionist, as they have been since the last election.

I can see this. Both parties are guilty of obstruction for the sake of making the other side look bad.

[HYHYBT]

Or they were just being obstructionist, as they have been since the last election.

Longer than that, really; it's just harder to do without a majority in at least one house.

[Slytovhand]

It's very different from marrying a green card. A Visa only gives you a limited amount of time for a very specific reason.

Work Visas are issued for a job with a specific company. Lose that job and you lose the visa. School Visas are issued to foreign students. Quit or complete school and you lose the Visa. Personal Visas are issued for a specific amount of time. Your ass needs to be on a plane and out of the country before the time runs out or they will personally escort you out.

Issuing a Visa to an abuse victim could be for the length of time needed to receive medical care for any injuries sustained and prosecuting the attacker. I doubt it would be an open ended, never ending green card.

Cool... I don't know the specifics of it, but I could envisage a situation where someone accuses someone of violence, gets an extension, when it's due to run out, accuse someone again, get another extension - etc etc...Unlikely - perhaps. Possible - certainly. There are, after all, numerous people on welfare who constantly cheat the system. Wouldn't really take much for a doctor to provide medical reports to back up the claims of the 'victim'

(no, I'm not saying I object to this bill, I'm just stating possible reasons why the conservatives may have nayed it).

Hyena - I have no idea which parts they object to... just that it's probable! But, yes, probably... many conservatives don't see why illegal immigrants should have any rights in your country (same as in my country).

Seifer, why would giving someone an extended visa automatically take her out of the danger?? (other than, perhaps, extending the victims', while not extending the perpetrators, so that person has to leave the country). Is there a better solution for this? Probably not (that's easy, and likely to be implemented). FTR, the article came from a link from a link from the original (I think... or from a link from Wiki...). So, you could follow the trail from the originally posted link.

[Andara Bledin]

There are, after all, numerous people on welfare who constantly cheat the system.

The best estimates on welfare fraud are 1-2%. That's it.

All this talk of all these people cheating the system is mostly FUD to get people to distrust the entire system and bullshit designed to part people from their money for other things that are even more costly and only benefit the people pushing for them (drug testing applicants, for example - the only winner there are the drug testing companies).

So, while there may be "numerous people" who cheat, for every one of them, there are 98-99 people who don't.

I imagine that the numbers for visa abuse are probably similar. The vast majority of people are generally honest or afraid of being caught.

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[bara]

The best estimates on welfare fraud are 1-2%. That's it.

So, while there may be "numerous people" who cheat, for every one of them, there are 98-99 people who don't.

I imagine that the numbers for visa abuse are probably similar. The vast majority of people are generally honest or afraid of being caught.

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Every study done Ive seen supports this. I do not recall if any of the studies done show the number of people who could be supporting themselves if they would try harder.

I will say however, that many of the people I have met who are on assistance programs are ashamed be on them. That isnt to say there arent any who are only on the programs so they dont have to work. Im sure there are. But the people actually defrauding the system are few and far between.

Its easy to believe that people on these programs dont need them because of the nastier ones we meet in our jobs that are rude entitlement whores/suck customers. But the facts are quite the opposite.

[Arcade Man D]

Its easy to believe that people on these programs dont need them because of the nastier ones we meet in our jobs that are rude entitlement whores/suck customers. But the facts are quite the opposite.

It's a standard confirmation bias. The rude and entitled ones we meet stick out in our minds, and become more populous than the ones who are standard customers and just slip out of mind because they aren't raging douchecanoes.

[s_stabeler]

Seifer, why would giving someone an extended visa automatically take her out of the danger?? (other than, perhaps, extending the victims', while not extending the perpetrators, so that person has to leave the country). Is there a better solution for this? Probably not (that's easy, and likely to be implemented). FTR, the article came from a link from a link from the original (I think... or from a link from Wiki...). So, you could follow the trail from the originally posted link.

It's less the extended visa takes them out of danger itself and more that the extension removes an element of coercion an abuser can use. If they leave the abuser, their visa is no longer valid, so they have to be deported. There is usually a reason they don't want to return, so they stay with the abuser.

The extended visa, however, allows them to stay in America for a time, opening up the possibility of finding a way to stay. Therefore, the woman comes forward, and something can be done.