Chastity Bono's Coming Out again . .

[Flyndaran]

So the only thing you're attracted to in women is their vagina? Not any other signs of feminity? Are you only attracted to women after you do a check of their genitalia to make sure you won't be gay by finding them attractive?

I'm a little odd. I find smell by far the most important sexually attractive feature in a woman. But even if I smelled a freaky male that smelled like an attractive woman, I would be dis-attracted by his male genatalia.
That's why movies like "The Crying Game" so horrifies most men.

If you don't want to debate it then don't reply to my posts. Don't imply that I'm a idiot because I don't agree with your narrow defintion of sexuality.

I meant no such thing. I was simply lamenting the fact that one more concept that I thought was commonly accepted, isn't.
I thought the contention was whether sexuality was innate or learned, not what gay and hetero even means. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[anriana]

Men liking penises are gay.
Men liking vaginas are hetero. The other stuff is just kink.
I find it interesting that this is even up for discussion.

So the only thing you're attracted to in women is their vagina? Not any other signs of feminity? Are you only attracted to women after you do a check of their genitalia to make sure you won't be gay by finding them attractive?

If you don't want to debate it then don't reply to my posts. Don't imply that I'm a idiot because I don't agree with your narrow defintion of sexuality.

[Flyndaran]

Men liking penises are gay.
Men liking vaginas are hetero. The other stuff is just kink.
I find it interesting that this is even up for discussion.

[anriana]

But women who want to date "him" will have to be gay. I would be gay to like someone with a penis, so to like the vagina requires a woman to be gay no matter how P.C. you need to be.

Would you be gay if you liked a shemale? If you enjoyed playing with zir breasts or stroking zir hair? Ze would have a penis, so that would make you gay, right?

Sexuality isn't all about the penis and vagina.

Take a hypothetical kinky person who enjoys being topped by men. They start dating a top with wide shoulders, a soul patch, a deep, manly voice, body hair, a ton of testosterone pumping through their system, and whatever other male markers you can envision. However, this person was born a woman and hasn't had genital surgery. Is this hypothetical person gay if they let their partner flog them? If the couple does penetrative play with a dildo? What if they break up and this person goes back to dating men-born-men. Are they now classified as bisexual?

[Flyndaran]

Perhaps, but female sexuality is much more fluid than male sexuality is. I suspect there are many females who are really ok with having transgendered partners.

Eh, if someone completely looks like a female then I'll probably treat her like a female in social situations. For me personally, a woman would have to smell like a woman for me to have any chance at starting a romantic relationship.
Then again, I've seen some pictures of some rather sub par vaginoplasties that would gross me out if I was blindsided so to speak.

[AFPheonix]

But women who want to date "him" will have to be gay. I would be gay to like someone with a penis, so to like the vagina requires a woman to be gay no matter how P.C. you need to be.

Perhaps, but female sexuality is much more fluid than male sexuality is. I suspect there are many females who are really ok with having transgendered partners.

[Flyndaran]

Personally, I see people like Isis from ANTM, and I think freak show.

How so? She seems normal looking to me from the shots I could find on the net.

[blas87]

Personally, I see people like Isis from ANTM, and I think freak show.

[Flyndaran]

But women who want to date "him" will have to be gay. I would be gay to like someone with a penis, so to like the vagina requires a woman to be gay no matter how P.C. you need to be.

[telecom_goddess]

I would call anyone "he" that identified as a male, and "she" that identified as a female. In other words what they want to be called.

I have a lot of respect for people who have to go through the tremendous work it takes to become the opposite gender. Not only that but they have to go through prejudice of all kinds too.

The odd thing is unless Chastity's sexual preferences change she will stop being gay and become straight

[Flyndaran]

"He" would only be male on the outside. The internal workings (DNA and all) would still be female.

Do you call those with complete testosterone insensitivity hes? Even though they appear completely female at birth and don't know until puberty and after medical evaluations that they are genetically male?
That seems needlessly hurtful.
It's quite possible that such instances are the reason for quite a few women's infertility.

[Flyndaran]

I am pretty sure that while a transgendered woman is, obviously, unable to have children, she will indeed have a functioning vagina.
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That's not quite what I meant. I wasn't arguing against the vagina part. I just meant that referring to someone that was once male as he even after a full sex change is kind of silly.
Then again I wish that medical science really could create a function penis and not just for all the women wanting to be full males.
If and when that happens I will be completely comfortable referring to former shes as hes after such surgeries.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

That mentality requires this sentence to be accurate.
He has a fully functional vagina.

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I am pretty sure that while a transgendered woman is, obviously, unable to have children, she will indeed have a functioning vagina.

By the way, JuniorMintz, good point. We won't let same sex couples marry, but then give them all kind of abuse when they try to change into male-female couples. It just never ends.

[telecom_goddess]

"He" would only be male on the outside. The internal workings (DNA and all) would still be female.

By "inside" I meant what's in the heart and mind, not dna

Because we can't have everything we want. A sex change is not a requirement, it's a want (there may be isolated incidents where it is medically required).

I want to have 20/20 uncorrected vision. I don't have the money for it, therefore I can't get it. It's not a requirement for me to live. I want to have the vision, just like they want to change sexes.

Oh I beg to differ....it is required to live, and have a fully functioning life. Too many people in this situation who aren't able to correct it end up committing suicide. It's more of a mental health condition I guess....technically. But that's the problem ....a lot of people discount mental issues of ANY sort as not a "real" illness.

[the_std]

I wasn't talking about expense. I was talking about some of the opinions expressed in this thread that the surgery is never required, ever.