And not indicating a stance one way or another, but when jurors are asked to deliberate, the judge will lay down certain guidelines that they are supposed to follow, and various points of law that are significant.
If there's not enough 'proof' to give 'reasonable doubt', then they've got to rule 'not guilty'. And, unless there's penetration, or kids consistently saying things to the police/investigators about what happened, then the jury is going to have to rule 'not guilty'. Inappropriate touching, at the best of times, is going to be damn hard to convict on.
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Originally posted by Flyndaran View PostHe slept in the same bed, naked I think, hugging little boys.
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Originally posted by Nyoibo View PostWhen, I'd like to see an instance of him saying he inapropriately touched a child.
Either way, I guess it's possible for others to, naively in my opinion, think Mr. Jackson was just weird/mentally ill without ever once molesting children.
I find that seriously unlikely, but technicaly within the realm of possibility.
I won't call anyone that thinks that crazy, but I may secretly judge them as a little blinded by celebrity worship.
On the other hand, I guess you would make a wonderful friend; what with your willingness to believe others over more likely scenarios.
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Micheal Jackson has been such a powerful media sensation for such a long time that it's pretty much a given that his death would be such a big news item. It's sad that other stories that many of us deem more important are having to take a backseat to MJ, but let's face it, news networks thrive off of sensational stories.
A few years ago the editor of my city's newspaper wrote a special column about how people had written to the newspaper complaining about the newspaper printing too many "depressing" stories. These "depressing" stories included things going on in the Middle East as well as other tetchy political and social issues. These complainers apparently felt that the newspaper was printing these stories simply to ruin their breakfast, and that the paper should find some "happier" stories to print.
If the newspaper for my city gets bad mail for printing such stories, then I'm sure that major news networks do, too. I'm no expert in journalism, but I would wager that this is probably the reason why the news media eats up stories like MJ's death. I guess many people would rather hear about one of their favorite entertainer's life and death as opposed to a story about a skirmish between the Isrealis and Palastinians. That's probably also why I so often turn on CNN and hear reports about kids mooning their graduating classes and people trying to close down kids' lemonade stands while there is conflict in the Middle East and in Congress.
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Originally posted by Flyndaran View PostFound not guilty by a bunch of morons does not mean he was proven innocent. He admitted to numerous instances of sleeping and inapropriate touching of children, but oh no he never molested.
Jackson's attorney alleged that the charges were made in retaliation by the family after the family members realized that Jackson was not going to continue supporting them financially indefinitely. The family was portrayed during trial as exhibiting a long history of attempting to extort celebrities.
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"Both he and Jackson testified that they had slept in the same room, but not in the same bed. They also agreed that each had offered to sleep on the floor and let the other have the bed."
admitting to sleeping in the same room=/= inappropriate touching
filmed on the night of February 19, 2003 in the home of videographer Hamid Moslehi. and it showed the accuser's family praising Jackson, Gavin insisted no molestation had occurred and that Jackson was "innocent".[8] Gavin, his sister Daveline, brother Star and mother Janet were "upfront" and said that inappropriate behavior had "absolutely not occurred" while also calling him a father figure.[8] They also insisted that they slept in Jackson's bed although Jackson himself always slept on the floor.[8] To further the rebuttal Janet Arvizo issued the statement:
"The relationship that Michael has with my children is beautiful, loving, father-son and daughter one. To my children and me Michael is part of the family."Last edited by BlaqueKatt; 06-28-2009, 02:40 AM.
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I like to come home in the morning and turn on CNN or the local news and get caught up with current events (usually too tired to sit at my computer and read the news that way.) The past couple of days, all I've seen is MJ news. Granted, it's sad. It's kind of tragic (I think he may possibly have made a comeback with this London tour). But...I know there is more going on in the world! At least this morning, CNN had a bit "other" news...but for the most part it was every other story was about MJ. And, actually...I've barely heard anything about Farrah Fawcett. Maybe it's because everyone expected her to die, and so her death is not as newsworthy? I don't know.
Anyway, the frenzy will most likely die down once they have his funeral. Or when we get the official autopsy results, etc. It's frustrating to be so inundated with a celebrity death that it feels like all the other world news is nothing.
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Granted, I'm a hermit, especially over weekends when I'm working, but it was only on a call when someone had mentioned Farrah had died as well.... I don't see (perhaps also cos I"m a hermit) the news running story after story after story on her...
AA - I am so totally with you on that!!!!
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OMG...thank you.
E! has played the THS of Michael Jackson at least 10 times since Thursday. Nothing else is on that fucking channel right now!
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What bothers me is that something I see as extremely important, "history in the making" type stuff - the protests in Iran - has been shoved aside to discuss an entertainer. A good entertainer, a troubled man, who died.
Let me phrase it this way: Is the death of Michael Jackson or Farrah Fawcett more important than those of anonymous Iranians being shot for peacefully protesting their governments?
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While I understand what everyone means, with all due respect, the man's been dead for a WHOLE TWO DAYS. While yes, news spreads fast nowadays, there hasn't even been enough time to beat it (no pun intended) into the ground yet.
Everytime someone famous dies, you ARE going to hear about it for several days afterward. It's how the news world works.
What I find interesting though, is that NO ONE is telling everyone to shut up about Farrah Fawcett's death, only Jackson. So it's okay for one and not the other? Granted in the past few years, Jackson has found himself lower on the likeness scale, but still. If we can talk about one for a few days, then we can talk about the other.
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The first case was settled out of court, and no charges were filed due to a lack of evidence, in the second case in 2003 he was found not guilty on all counts. Given that the father of the first boy said this when asked how it would affect his son "That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record" and that when the kid alledged MJ touched him he was under the influence of Sodium Amytal.
Funny how a lot of stories surfaced after the first trial started, all those people who instead of reporting to police, sold their stories to Hard Copy and the like.
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Someone getting on stage with minders between them and the people who have paid to see them, and then singing or playing an instrument? Heroic - nope.
But, back to topic.. I totally agree (with the 'we didn't play him before, we barely acknowledged him, but now he's all over the radio).
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