Star Wars vs. Star Trek

[pssorens]

If you follow the strict cannon for Star Trek, the original series, TNG, DS9, Voyager and all the movies except the JJ Abrahms Movie all are invalid, because the time line changed. Leaving the latest movie and Enterprise as the only valid points of cannon. not much of a franchise.

[Nyoibo]

That movie wasn't canon though was it?

[Fryk]

Actually, the way it was stated in the movie, the previous timeline still exists somewhere, we were just watching a different one.

[Rapscallion]

I thought the parallels fit fine if Anakin was the "chosen" one to bring balance to the force, through Luke.

Think about it. Luke couldn't bring balance - it was Vader who was able to kill the emperor and redeem himself. Luke was just a victim for that scene.

Rapscallion

[Bloodsoul]

Ah, but if it weren't for Leia putting the plans into R2, Luke never would've even met Vader, would he?

[Fryk]

That actually proves my theory...

R2D2 was the chosen one. If he hadn't fixed the hyperdrive in TPM, they wouldn't have even FOUND Anakin!

All must worship the holy droid!

[Vagabond]

Anakin *did* bring balance to the Force.
There are only ever 2 Sith (dark)
There were bunches of Jedi (light)

After Anakin slaughtered the younglings and Order 66 was executed, there was only the 2 Sith (Lord Vader nee Anakin & Emperor) and 2 Jedi (Yoda and Ben Kenobi). Is that not balance?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Numeric balance, yes. But the intent was probably to de-polarize it. Or at least make it so each side had equal sway (the 2 Sith had much more power than the 2 jedi in that situation)

[Vagabond]

More sway? What political or military might sway? I don't think the 'force' would be concerned with that. But, I don't have a midi-chlorian measure-er handy, but it's possible that the force was balanced. Yoda equal to Emporer and Kenobi equal to Vader, no?
De-polarization doesn't equate to balance.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

The only way to be completely balanced would be to have neither posetive or negative portions at all, depolarized.

Moreover, if the force really is 'in everything', the fact that the Emperor and Vader controlled incalculably vast armies and resources through which they could influence far more than 2 jedi in hiding has to count at least a little.

Anyway, Anakin and Luke were both 'chosen ones' in that Anakin dealt the final blow, but only due to the actions of Luke. And it's obvious that it was R2D2's manufacturer's decision to include secure information carrying viewable at the discretion of R2 that allowed Leia to leave the message and for it to be found by precisely the right person. This man/woman is where it all began!

[Vagabond]

I don't remember luke being called 'chosen' but then I haven't watched the Original Trilogy in awhile.

Nah... it all began with a greedy old man (Palpatine) and a horny teenage jedi (Anakin).

[Fryk]

And some nameless tech at a droid factory. Sir Integra is right!

[Wingates_Hellsing]

And some nameless tech at a droid factory. Sir Integra is right!

Why thank you

I recommend that from now on the tech in question be referred to as 'Bubba' who fixed R2 before shipping him because his CPU was 'burnt slap up'.

[Fryk]

He needs a lucasy last name. I propose he be called Bubba Hotsolder :: )

[Pagan]

But Star Trek totally explains why I like John de Lancie (I don't know).

I had problems with Q for a while because all I could remember was John de Lancie's character on "Days of Our Lives"!

There are a lot of Star Wars books about what happened to the main cast, with varying degrees of skill and authenticity. I recommend starting with The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn- Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and Last Command. If you lived in my city, I'd loan them to you.

I had been reading them and quit for two reasons. One - the order they came out in was chronologically jacked-up and B - I didn't want to read the one where Chewie was killed. Stupid, stupid, dumb move.

I remember Heretics and Chapterhouse as "a tripod government is the most unstable of all governments" etc. And Shianna (sp) who can control the worms...what was the point of that? How that happen? So she is a decendant of Leto, but???

I've got the next two after Chapterhouse but haven't read them yet. I've heard several people that think that Arrakis is Earth, but the fact is that all of this takes place about 10,000 years after Earth is destroyed.

Uh Starbuck died!

No he didn't.

I counter with - you know a Star Wars quote when you hear it. and if someone mentions tattoine or dagobah - you know what they're talking about.

Yeah, but if someone says "Live long and prosper" or mentions Vulcan or talks about Klingons, you know what they're talking about, too. (They even got some of that into "Boston Legal".)

- Starbuck is a woman!??! Hell no! I remember the original series, and there was always that bromance between starbuck and whats-his-face, I just couldn't get over the sex change.

I know. Although it still doesn't set well with me that they left him stranded on planet with only a Cylon for company.

- Cyclons look like people now? Okay, .... but then, everyone's a cylon? WTF!?!?! Whatever.

And that is why I don't like the one now. They messed with their own mythology. The Cylon were a reptilian race that created the centurions to serve them. The Cylons died out, but the centurions continued.

I believe Ford said, "George, you can write this shit, but you can't say it." Yeah, he can write a great story, but the dialogue...sheesh!

As much as I love the movies, they should never let George Lucas write dialogue. There was one line in particular in AOTC that my friend and I almost fell out of our chairs laughing at.

Ship Vs. ship or troops Vs. troops?

Either way I think I'm going to have to go with Star Wars though.

Did you ever notice though, until one season in DS9 that you never saw fighters in any Star Trek?

The Death Star moves at the speed of smell... it does well against a stationary or near stationary target... all it takes to get an upper hand on it is to be able to move faster than it's main laser (which by the way, would not work in the real world because lasers can't converge without the aide of a lense).

Or one single fighter and an unguarded access tube. Or not making sure that the open superstructure has it's own shielding and not relying on just the one generated from the moon.