If homosexuality is not a choice...

[Fryk]

As someone who USED to be "christian", I'll share what I learned when I went to Christian college.

God did not make people gay or straight (according to this line of thinking). What happened is that man, all thanks to a magic apple, is fallen, and he took the world, and with it, the laws of nature down with him. It can be argued, then, that the gay gene (everytime I say that, I think of the x-factor from X-men) is a consequence of fallen-ness. Harmful mutations (and I think that most people who think of gay as wrong would consider the "g-factor" as harmful) would be a result of the world's fallen state.
Christians are charged to overcome the limitations ofmankind's fallen-ness and strive to be more "christ-like". Of course, the Bible never mentions Jesus ever having ANY kind of sex, so one would think that straight people have a problem, too. Unless you're a Shaker...

[Mr Slugger]

True, it is a test of sorts, but for something that is such a major part of life (that most people want to experience, e.g. love, sex, marriage) wouldn't it be wrong to create a being in such a way that there are ways in which they will never be fulfilled?

And a religious person might tell you that the way to be fulfilled is to become one with god, and not give into temptation. Just embrace god.

Then again I could be entirely wrong. I'm just saying what I think they'd tell you.

Ah, I just had this conversation with someone a few days ago, and I'm personally of the opinion, like various theologians and reverends, that almost all of the references to homosexuality in the Bible are not actually to homosexuality, but more than likely to temple prostitution.

I think as Jayel said "For the purposes of this thread, we are going to assume that it is correct that the Bible calls homosexuality a sin."

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Ree, you said that you believe that homosexuality is NOT a choice, that people are born that way. And I'm not saying I agree or disagree. My question is this: If homosexuality is, in fact, a sin, then why would God create somone to be a homosexual, only to tell that person their whole lives that their feelings are wrong, and deny them a loving, sexually gratifying relationship with another person?

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He wouldn't. I personally thingkGod has more important things to worry about than what consenting adult is sleeping with whatever other consenting adult.

Don't pull up Leviticus. That's basically Jewish kosher laws and whatnot.

Christians ought to be following the teaching that the old law is out and the new one is in, and the new law is that we need to be exclellent to each other.

[Arcade Man D]

Ree, you said that you believe that homosexuality is NOT a choice, that people are born that way. And I'm not saying I agree or disagree. My question is this: If homosexuality is, in fact, a sin, then why would God create somone to be a homosexual, only to tell that person their whole lives that their feelings are wrong, and deny them a loving, sexually gratifying relationship with another person?

I'm not interested in snarky, anti-Christian views. I want real thoughts and opinions from those who are willing to consider the situation from a Christian perspective.

As a Christian, I think I'll take a stab at this one.

Ah, I just had this conversation with someone a few days ago, and I'm personally of the opinion, like various theologians and reverends, that almost all of the references to homosexuality in the Bible are not actually to homosexuality, but more than likely to temple prostitution. Link for better explanation than I can give.

[jayel]

True, it is a test of sorts, but for something that is such a major part of life (that most people want to experience, e.g. love, sex, marriage) wouldn't it be wrong to create a being in such a way that there are ways in which they will never be fulfilled?

[Mr Slugger]

While I'm not Christian I would certainly think that part of their thought would be like everything there's temptations given to us by satan, and we resist these temptations to enter heaven. Like you said some get the temptations to steal, others get temptations to cheat on their partner, while others want to be with a person of the same sex. They are tests that we have to go through. At least that's my thought.

[jayel]

Ree's thread about the priest got me thinking about this again.

For the purposes of this thread, we are going to assume that it is correct that the Bible calls homosexuality a sin.


I can certainly understand how Ree was accepting of her priest being a NON-PRACTICING homosexual. After all, we all have urges and desires from time to time that we know we shouldn't give in to. So if he has homosexual feelings and curbs them because he believes it's wrong, that's great. That's no different than me not stealing something that I want but can't afford.

Ree, you said that you believe that homosexuality is NOT a choice, that people are born that way. And I'm not saying I agree or disagree. My question is this: If homosexuality is, in fact, a sin, then why would God create somone to be a homosexual, only to tell that person their whole lives that their feelings are wrong, and deny them a loving, sexually gratifying relationship with another person?

I'm not interested in snarky, anti-Christian views. I want real thoughts and opinions from those who are willing to consider the situation from a Christian perspective.