Women as bad as pedophiles?

[Hyena Dandy]

Hyena Dandy, I used a atheist blog simply because they actually had their history correct. . Surprisingly most Roman Catholics don’t know that at one time married priests were permitted, or that there are loopholes to do it now.

I knew that. When I was referring to the blog, I was referring to the one about how the RCC believes that pedophilia and being female are equal.

[Hobbs]

Hobbs, I very well understand that the RCC can place its own rules and punishments. That still doesn’t mean that I don’t think that the Vatican doesn’t at times forget about timing and make decisions with out using their heads. As I said again, if they don’t want it to be so sensationalized all they had to do was issue a second decree later.

Why? Why should they have to do anything just to appease you? From a managerial standpoint, its simpler to make one decree that address multiple situations rather than have to separate them into multiple decrees just to placate people who aren't even of the faith.

Hyena Dandy, I used a atheist blog simply because they actually had their history correct. . Surprisingly most Roman Catholics don’t know that at one time married priests were permitted, or that there are loopholes to do it now.

The Church has their history correct. As Ree said, I knew that priests could marry as well. When I took RCIA, the priest even mentioned it, and you can reference the official stance on clerical marriage in the Catechism. As a *Baptist once told me, "I wish my church would have all of our beliefs explained so thoroughly." Just because you didn't know it when you decided to attack Catholicism doesn't mean "Most Roman Catholics don't know..."


*Paraphrased because it was about 6 years ago when he told me.

[KitterCat]

I knew that. When I was referring to the blog, I was referring to the one about how the RCC believes that pedophilia and being female are equal.

Sorry, misunderstood a bit there.

[Hyena Dandy]

The Church has their history correct. As Ree said, I knew that priests could marry as well. When I took RCIA, the priest even mentioned it, and you can reference the official stance on clerical marriage in the Catechism. As a *Baptist once told me, "I wish my church would have all of our beliefs explained so thoroughly." Just because you didn't know it when you decided to attack Catholicism doesn't mean "Most Roman Catholics don't know..."

To be fair, you and I have taken RCIA classes. From what I've learned from people raised Catholic, the education you get from being brought up is less comprehensive than the one you get from RCIA.

[Rageaholic]

I don't know, I'm sure there's something, throwing people out of your faith doesn't seem like a solution. Also, punishment shouldn't be needed in the first place, that's the real problem I have with this. Frankly, I think Catholicism is full of outdated beliefs about the role of women, as well as about a lot of other things, but that's just me. (I'm sure someone's going to ask what I'd think if someone said that about my faith, and frankly it wouldn't bother me. Just to head that question off.)

THIS

All these stupid rules and list of things you can't do is one of the reasons I'm no longer part of the church. The Church has gotten more and more wacky since the new pope took over (what ever his name is). A lot of Catholics I know think they are so good because they follow all the pointless church rules, but are complete assholes to everyone else who isn't part of their clique. Sure, there are people who follow the "love your neighbor" part of the faith, but a lot of them are leaving the church.

My problem is that the churches priorities are so out of wack. I can't speak for this latest issue, when liberal nuns are being investigated to make sure they're following the rules; yet they cover up the preists who raped children, there's a problem WTF?

Below is a link to the nun investigation

http://www.historiann.com/2009/04/19...-organization/

[Hobbs]

The Church has gotten more and more wacky since the new pope took over (what ever his name is).

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman province, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.

[Ree]

All these stupid rules and list of things you can't do is one of the reasons I'm no longer part of the church.

Fine. You left your church because you didn't like the rules.

The thing is, don't say that a person can thumb their nose at the rules of the church and still expect to be considered a member with entitlement to all the sacraments that come along with it.

It's very simple.

I don't really understand why people aren't getting it.

Hate on the Catholic Church all you want. That's your opinion, but don't confuse your hate of the church and dislike of its policies and rules with an opinion that this same church does not have a right to set a policy that says those who do not follow the laws of that church are no longer eligible to receive the sacraments of that church.

[Rageaholic]

Where did I say that I think I should still be part of the church if I don't like all the rules? That's the reason I LEFT the church. What I do think is sucky is that they are making a bigger deal out of the liberal nuns than the pedophile preists. It's not obvious in the OP example, but when they cover up sexual abuse and transfer the preists to other churches, there's a problem.

Also, the church changes with time, as well as there being different demoninations of catholicism, but I'll post my opinions on that in smileys thread.

[Hyena Dandy]

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman province, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.

Just Benny if you're feeling casual. X3





Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Ree]

Just Benny if you're feeling casual.

*snort*


That was freakin funny.

Where did I say that I think I should still be part of the church if I don't like all the rules?

I acknowledged that you left your church because you didn't like the rules.

I was referring to the fact that you quoted muses_nightmare

I don't know, I'm sure there's something, throwing people out of your faith doesn't seem like a solution.

wrote "THIS", as if you also felt that excommunication was not the way to handle the issue.

I was merely asking what the church is supposed to do then, and pointed out that it can't allow someone who has flown in the face of the doctrines of the church to remain a member.

I was not saying that you felt you should still be allowed to stay in the church if you did not like the rules.

[muses_nightmare]

That's your opinion, but don't confuse your hate of the church and dislike of its policies and rules with an opinion that this same church does not have a right to set a policy that says those who do not follow the laws of that church are no longer eligible to receive the sacraments of that church.

Sure, they can make policy, they're allowed to, but no one has to agree with it unless they want to be part of the church. I was more or less arguing that these things shouldn't have rules placed against them, not that the church shouldn't follow the rules they've made. I can't stop them from doing anything, and really, short of the pope, no one can. It doesn't mean I don't see it as something to keep women submissive in the church, because that's exactly what it is, what else would you call not allowing women into a position of power in the church? (and yes, Priests hold a position of spiritual power) I'm perfectly within my rights as a human being to be offended when a religion does something like that. Any religion.

I actually find the whole idea of the Catholic Church fairly repugnant because of the policies and opinions it holds. and like I said, I'm well within my rights to feel that way and to speak when I feel there is something wrong going on, and those in the faith are well within their rights to argue against what I say.

[Ree]

I'm well within my rights to feel that way and to speak when I feel there is something wrong going on, and those in the faith are well within their rights to argue against what I say.

Which is exactly what I was doing.
So, where's the problem? *shrug*

[muses_nightmare]

I was just clarifying my point of view. I got the impression people thought that I think that the church should just have to change just because I don't like it. Or something to that extent anyway.

[smileyeagle1021]

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman province, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.

Hobbs, I have to ask, did you have to google that, or did you know that from memory... if it's from memory, I'm not sure whether to be impressed or terrified.

[Hobbs]

I knew "Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ" and "Supreme Pontiff" but I looked up the others.