Children and the ditigal age

[AdminAssistant]

People can write books on anything they want, basically. There doesn't have to be truth to books people write.

Not necessarily. In order to make it to print, someone has to decide the material is worth publishing. And any press worth its salt is going to have multiple editors assigned to each book, as well as a panel of readers. (Beware of Routeledge, they just let a MASSIVE work of plagiarism slip through a couple of years ago. Just Google Phil Auslander.)

Anybody can put information on a website. Anybody can edit Wikipedia. With print-based resources (and I consider journal articles and books available on the internet to be print-based), there is more of a review process.

[smileyeagle1021]

Anybody can put information on a website. Anybody can edit Wikipedia. With print-based resources (and I consider journal articles and books available on the internet to be print-based), there is more of a review process.

There inlies the problem. You would accept a journal article that is available on the internet as a legit source... many professors (or more accurately, their graders) see www in the sources and immediately go "oh, no online sources, failing grade"

[Wingates_Hellsing]

There's a flip-side to everything. Not only are there unscrupulous publishers out there who'd gladly shovel anything out the door if they think it'll sell, but there's also those who publish fringe junk either because they believe it themselves, or in some effort to 'allow everyone their voice'. Furthermore, while everyone can potentially get an article changed on wikipedia, it's not as if anyone can just rewrite entire articles on a whim and it'll be posted.

End of the story being that neither general source of information is necessarily more credible than the other, as the only way you can be reasonably sure that anythings credible is to either check up on it yourself, or work through/by way of a credible authority to check up on it for you.

[Red Panda]

There was a historian, I forget the name, who had a very biased sense of history. When he wrote books the only sources he would use were from other book he himself had written.

[AdminAssistant]

There inlies the problem. You would accept a journal article that is available on the internet as a legit source... many professors (or more accurately, their graders) see www in the sources and immediately go "oh, no online sources, failing grade"

A journal article made available through an online database shouldn't even be cited as an online source. It's cited exactly the same way as a print article with no website given. All that matters is that the journal has some kind of track record and is peer-reviewed.

As far as publishers go...you just have to know your press. Most university presses are really good (esp. Iowa, Michigan, Northwestern, etc.) Also, Cambridge, Palgrave, TCG (for my field)....a professor who has any research background will know which presses are good and which suck. This is why I think it's a good idea to ask for a source page several weeks before an assignment is due, to give students a chance to find better sources.

[smileyeagle1021]

A journal article made available through an online database shouldn't even be cited as an online source. It's cited exactly the same way as a print article with no website given. All that matters is that the journal has some kind of track record and is peer-reviewed.

That depends on which method of citation you are using, some of them have a different way for citing an online article over a print article.

[Boozy]

A journal article is always cited as a journal article, regardless of what medium you used to read it.

[Hobbs]

Actually, in Chicago Manual Style (which is the format I use) a journal article will be cited in either a footnote or endnote as:

Last name, First name, "Title," Journal, ed. Editor First name Last name (Publisher), page.

However, if it's an electronic source it would be cited:

Last name, First name. "Title." Journal 4* (year). http://www.journal-name.com (date accessed).

Also, if I were to cite the second one in a footnote, I would exclude the website. I would, however, include the full citation in a bilbiography.

[AdminAssistant]

That depends on which method of citation you are using, some of them have a different way for citing an online article over a print article.

You'll have to give me an example, because I've never seen a scholarly journal article cited as a website.

[smileyeagle1021]

AA, I use the same style that Hobbs uses, which as he pointed out, if you do it online does require that you disclose it as an online source.

[AdminAssistant]

So, what qualifies as an electronic source? Say that there's an article that's available in print, but I happen to access it through a database online, I have to cite it as an online source? Sorry, but no. I used Turabian* for my Master's thesis, and print articles that I pulled from online databases were cited as a print source.

* Turabian is basically the same as Chicago.

I checked the actual Chicago Manual of Style guide http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/...tionguide.html. I believe what they mean by "online journal" is an online-only journal, not one available in print.

[Hobbs]

So, what qualifies as an electronic source? Say that there's an article that's available in print, but I happen to access it through a database online, I have to cite it as an online source? Sorry, but no. I used Turabian* for my Master's thesis, and print articles that I pulled from online databases were cited as a print source.

* Turabian is basically the same as Chicago.

I checked the actual Chicago Manual of Style guide http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/...tionguide.html. I believe what they mean by "online journal" is an online-only journal, not one available in print.

Turabian=Chicago actually. I wish I could attach a file. I have a PDF which shows that an electronic source must be cited as an "online journal." I'd like to ask, are you a historian? If so, how do you use Chicago?

[AdminAssistant]

Turabian=Chicago actually. I wish I could attach a file. I have a PDF which shows that an electronic source must be cited as an "online journal." I'd like to ask, are you a historian? If so, how do you use Chicago?

My area is theatre history, and most theatre publications require either MLA or Chicago. Chicago seems to be more prevalent these days, actually. Some places use APA, but not many. The university I went to for my master's thesis required all humanities theses or dissertations to use Turabian.

I stand by the notion that a journal available in print is not an electronic or online source, regardless of how the article was retrieved.

[Hobbs]

Well, if it's found in an online database such as JSTOR etc., I know you have to cite that database.

[Hobbs]

I just found my Turabian. If you have her book (which I assume since you mentioned her name), I am referring to section 17.5 on page...180-181 I believe. I'll be out of the house for a bit, so if you need me to quote it, I'll do so tomorrow evening.