Schools giving students unexcused absences...

[Greenday]

Who's this "they" you're referring to? I know quite a few professors, especially upper-division professors, who use attendance as part of the grade. It may not be much, but it's the difference between an 'A' and a 'B'. I find it annoying the students who only show up for tests. If I were that professor, I'd fail the lot of them.

Both have serious consequences. You're set up for failure if you think otherwise.

The bosses. I skipped school every so often in high school. A lot less rarely in college but once in awhile. Hasn't had an effect on me in working jobs yet.

[Hobbs]

The bosses. I skipped school every so often in high school. A lot less rarely in college but once in awhile. Hasn't had an effect on me in working jobs yet.

Hmm, must be some very laxidaisical[sic] bosses you have there. Definitely would be a different working environment working with me. I don't tolerate lax workers or tardiness.

[Bronzebow]

Hmm, must be some very laxidaisical[sic] bosses you have there. Definitely would be a different working environment working with me. I don't tolerate lax workers or tardiness.

Having your bosses sign a leave slip (or whatever/however your work handles vacation and personal time) is somehow now the same as slacking off at work and being late? Greenday isn't talking about playing hookie at work, let's stay on topic.

I hope you're not trying to make the claim that taking vacation/personal time is equivalent to slacking off and being tardy. If so, I would suggest that you make a serious, serious overhaul on your view of work life. That isn't a healthy stance to take at all.

[Hobbs]

I have never heard of a "leave slip" used to excuse work. From my experience, such a thing didn't exist at the workplace.

Greenday's attitude, however, leads me to believe he takes leave without permission, much as he did during school ("hooky" refers to not attending classes without parent/school approval). I wouldn't hire someone like that, much less tolerate that behavior while they worked under me.

[Greenday]

Hmm, must be some very laxidaisical[sic] bosses you have there. Definitely would be a different working environment working with me. I don't tolerate lax workers or tardiness.

I never said anything about showing up late or slacking off. I said that they sign leave slips when it's feasible and that's that. No ridiculous threats of punishments.

"Hey, Boss, I was going to plan a weeks vacation in a month. Is it cool if I take off then?"
"Are you caught up on your work?"
"Yes."
"Just don't forget to fill out a leave slip."

And then whatever you miss, you just make up when you get back. Considering the diversity of jobs I've held, no boss has ever been as strict as schools have, as long as you properly notify them.

[Hobbs]

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So why are you more willing to be cooperative with your employer (by giving an advance warning of absence) but not so with school?

[linguist]

But I also think your rules are very strict, more strict even than most places of business, since most employees get this thing called vacation.

even vacation is not a given in a work situation. there are 3 months out of the year (october-december) when i'm not allowed to schedule vacation, and any other time of the year if i request vacation but we're busy or i have a project due, my boss will deny it. i accepted this when i took the job, just like i accepted when i was in school that attendance was expected of me. i could just as easily choose to take time off anyway, but if i make that decision, i have to accept the consequences that will occur, consequences that were spelled out for me well in advance of my choosing to take time off.

[Greenday]

So why are you more willing to be cooperative with your employer (by giving an advance warning of absence) but not so with school?

Whenever I took vacations in school, I told teachers in advance. They'd give me a heads up on what was going to be covered and I'd read the topic in advance so I don't get behind.

It's the administration that would never cooperate. Your ass is theirs and they want you to know it. They will never budge in an argument and it's their way or the highway.

Which is why I enjoy having a boss that is reasonable.

[Hobbs]

It's the administration that would never cooperate. Your ass is theirs and they want you to know it. They will never budge in an argument and it's their way or the highway.

As it should be. You're a kid, they're the authority.

[Greenday]

As it should be. You're a kid, they're the authority.

My boss is still authority.

And I never quite bought that whole "you're only 17 so you aren't an adult. But in a few weeks you'll be 18 so that's totally different!"

[HYHYBT]

As it should be. You're a kid, they're the authority.

That does not mean they *ought* not to listen to you, kid or not, when you're being reasonable. Nor does it mean that you are automatically being unreasonable just because you are seeking some flexibility.

[Hobbs]

That does not mean they *ought* not to listen to you, kid or not, when you're being reasonable. Nor does it mean that you are automatically being unreasonable just because you are seeking some flexibility.

My boss is still authority.

And I never quite bought that whole "you're only 17 so you aren't an adult. But in a few weeks you'll be 18 so that's totally different!"

I don't think even 18 year olds are all that reliable.

[BigGiant]

Our school district doesn't even ask for an excuse.

They don't want us to call. Just send in a signed note and all is well. Even if it is just for a vacation or to visit family.

Back home when I was in school it was the same way- bring in a signed note, and all was good. You still couldn't miss more than I think 32 days in a school year regardless of reason, but other than that, all was fine.

That is, unless you brought in a note signed, "Epstien's Mom". (cookies for reference)

[Greenday]

I don't think even 18 year olds are all that reliable.

I've known some 18 year olds that are more reliable than 40 year olds.

[RavenStarr]

That is, unless you brought in a note signed, "Epstien's Mom". (cookies for reference)

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