Teen mother arrested in death of her newborn

[Hobbs]

My point has been slightly missed, but that's OK because this isn't really a thread to debate abortion.
I just find it interesting that, had she opted for abortion, it wouldn't be seen as a problem, but because she didn't, and the child died during birth, she is being criticized in the press, and by the community at large, and is facing a felony charge.

Easy; an abortion is a legal medical procedure. Bringing a child to term, birthing it, and then being negligent to the point that it dies, is illegal.

I just find it interesting that those who propose to be "for the preservation of life" have no qualms about killing doctors, nurses and other workers for "the cause."

[Peppergirl]

I just find it interesting that those who propose to be "for the preservation of life" have no qualms about killing doctors, nurses and other workers for "the cause."

WTF?

Way to generalize.

Listen, I'm pro-choice but I know PLENTY of pro-lifers who are just as appalled as I am by the radicals who kill doctors/nurses, etc.

You can't paint them all with the same brush. There are radicals and crazies in every walk of life, and it's not fair to ascribe this behavior to every person who believes abortion is wrong.

[Hobbs]

You can't paint them all with the same brush.

Exactly. You can't do that. From Ree's statement, I understood her as saying pro-choicers don't care about life, which is "painting them all with the same brush."

[Ree]

I just find it interesting that those who propose to be "for the preservation of life" have no qualms about killing doctors, nurses and other workers for "the cause."

Right. Gotta love the generalization.

I find that comment extremely insulting as someone who is pro-life.
You are saying that I support the killing of people who perform abortions.
That is insulting to me, to say the least, and borders on a personal attack, in my opinion.

From Ree's statement, I understood her as saying pro-choicers don't care about life, which is "painting them all with the same brush."

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

How you reached that conclusion is beyond me.

As someone who feels that life begins at conception, I just find it interesting that those who are pro-choice can make that distinction and say it's OK to kill that life while it's still a lump of cells, yet when a young, scared girl panics and gives birth without telling a responsible adult, or seeking help from a medical professional, resulting in the baby's death, then it is seen as a tragic death of the child.

How you can take from my words that I am saying all pro-choice people do not have any regard for life at all, says to me that you were just looking for something to grasp at so you could try and disprove my point.

In fact, the very fact that I mention they are appalled by the death of the child disproves your theory and accusation completely.
To explain it in simpler terms: I am saying if they had no regard for human life, then they wouldn't be bothered by the baby's death.
I said they are bothered by it, which means I am saying they care about life.
Seems pretty simple to me.

[Hobbs]

Right. Gotta love the generalization.

I was actually making a point about generalization (ie. it's bad no matter who does it).

As someone who feels that life begins at conception, I just find it interesting that those who are pro-choice can make that distinction and say it's OK to kill that life while it's still a lump of cells, yet when a young, scared girl panics and gives birth without telling a responsible adult, or seeking help from a medical professional, resulting in the baby's death, then it is seen as a tragic death of the child.

That's a very ethno-centric view. A pro-choicer may not have a problem with abortion because they don't believe life begins at conception. However, in the way you seem to word it, you judge them on this based on your own belief. Legally, there's nothing wrong with a properly-executed abortion. However, as I have argued before, bringing a child to term and killing it is a crime.

How you can take from my words that I am saying all pro-choice people do not have any regard for life at all, says to me that you were just looking for something to grasp at so you could try and disprove my point.

As someone who feels that life begins at conception, I just find it interesting that those who are pro-choice can make that distinction and say it's OK to kill that life while it's still a lump of cells, yet when a young, scared girl panics and gives birth without telling a responsible adult, or seeking help from a medical professional, resulting in the baby's death, then it is seen as a tragic death of the child.

I used the quote twice. Let me explain why I bolded the second part. I am not grasping at anything. The paragraph here states in the first part your own personal belief. Then you compare an abortion to a girl killing her infant and try to make it sound like we're hypocrites for the "technicality" of the death. In that way as I interpret it, you seem to be saying that we have no regard for human life.

[Ree]

A pro-choicer may not have a problem with abortion because they don't believe life begins at conception. However, in the way you seem to word it, you judge them on this based on your own belief.

I am not judging them at all, and that's where you missed my point.
I just find it an interesting observation that, if the young girl had gotten rid of the baby in the first trimester, this wouldn't even be an issue.

As someone who does believe that life begins at conception, I simply cannot be swayed to any other belief. That's my right.
Others don't see how I can believe that life begins at conception, and will not be swayed to any other belief. That's their right.

The paragraph here states in the first part your own personal belief. Then you compare an abortion to a girl killing her infant and try to make it sound like we're hypocrites for the "technicality" of the death. In that way as I interpret it, you seem to be saying that we have no regard for human life.

If you see that as my calling you hypocritical, then that would be your interpretation of it.
I do see it as a double standard in society, but only because of my own personal views on it.

I am merely observing the timing of the death, based on my own personal view as someone who is pro-life. I was making an observation, based on that view of abortion, how I find it curious that one is more acceptable than the other, and one is considered legal and sanctioned by the powers that be.

As someone who is pro-life, I do believe that an abortion is murder, and is morally wrong, just as I believe that bombing clinics and murdering those who perform abortions is morally wrong.
I believe that an abortion is a lack of regard for that particular life, but not a lack of regard for all life.

[XCashier]

On the other hand the adult who simply threw the baby out with the garbage! Now THEY should have known better. How bout taking the mother to the HOSPITAL and making sure she is mentally and physically ok? Not to mention the fact that they "disposed of the evedence" which could have contributed to the 14 year olds arrest as it makes her look guilty. You're an adult! Act like one!

THIS. The one person who had any knowledge on what to do, and he ends up making the whole situation worse!!! He's the one who should've been arrested.

And it is a shame that there is so much misinformation about sex and pregnancy, and so many kids feel they can't talk to their parents (and vice versa). This whole thing should have never happened, and wouldn't have if there'd been proper parent/child communication involved.

[Andara Bledin]

Right. Gotta love the generalization.

Well, you did start it, claiming that "If the mother aborts, nobody bats an eye." Seems to me there's quite a lot of eye-batting going on, from both sides of the choice fence.

As for this whole situation, it's just sad.

And it's being made so much worse by going after a scared little girl who was in no way prepared for her situation, but the one adult involved in any of it has yet to be charged. Disgusting.

^-.-^

[Sarah Valentine]

the one adult involved in any of it has yet to be charged. Disgusting.

I agree completely, I have to ask did they ever find out who the baby's father is?

And this is what happens when babies have babies!

I know I'm gonna get shit for this but I agree, 14 is too young to have a baby.

[Andara Bledin]

I agree completely, I have to ask did they ever find out who the baby's father is?

They know who the father is, and it's another kid. He must be around the same age, or they would have charged him with statutory rape already.

After an update in June regarding her detention, the story was dropped by pretty much everybody. A semi-serious search couldn't pull up any more information from the last several months, so there's no telling what happened to the girl.

^-.-^

[Ree]

Well, you did start it, claiming that "If the mother aborts, nobody bats an eye."

Well, obviously my mistake, then, in choosing poor phrasing. I have edited to correct my error.
Thank you for pointing it out.