American women persecuted for having miscarriages?

[Rageaholic]

Great, another way to fill up prisons. None of these women are murderers.

One had a crack addiction, the other was suicidal, and the last just had bad luck. There is no need to punish these women for this, let alone give them a life sentence. This sounds like another case of self righteous conservatives wanting to punish people who are already messed up.

[radiocerk]

But I argue that the doctor's job shouldn't be in danger if their patient is irresponsible and gets pregnant while on a medication she should know is dangerous. Dozens, if not hundreds, of life-saving and life-improving medications are hazardous in pregnancy and breast-feeding. I don't want to be denied those medications just because I might get pregnant. I choose MY life and well-being over that of any "potential children" that I don't plan to have, and don't want.

[BlaqueKatt]

But I argue that the doctor's job shouldn't be in danger if their patient is irresponsible and gets pregnant while on a medication she should know is dangerous.

yes because all pregnancies are due to being irresponsible ,(hint I was using 3 forms of birth control and still got pregnant-wow how irresponsible I was being, maybe I should used 4 or 5 forms) if the patient is in the first month of pregnancy no test would show it. I was taking Motrin for a knee injury when I found out I was pregnant, thankfully it didn't harm him. And yes motrin can harm a fetus, as can VITAMIN A(in large doses, as are usually found in straight vitamin A supplements), do you know what herbals and prescription medications are contraindicated in pregnancy? Didn't think so. That's what doctor's are for, it kinda falls under the "first do no harm"

I don't want to be denied those medications just because I might get pregnant.

nice strawman, they don't deny medications for that reason-per the FDA

Your health care provider will weigh the benefit to you and the risk to your baby when making his or her recommendation about a particular medication. With some medications, the risk of not taking them may be more serious than the potential risk associated with taking them.

[FArchivist]

interesting as if there's such a HUGE push I can find ZERO information on it, as a matter of fact the only information I can find on any type of "biomonitoring" is periodic blood and tissue samples being taken(as currently that is the only way to do so-no type of "gps enabled implant" exists, unless you live in say...gattica)to monitor for effects of environmental pollution. A further search for implantable biomonitoring turns up a PDF about a professor at ASU that has a strategy(as in not developed or even a prototype made yet)for one for telemetry, and operating say insulin pumps.

unless you can find and prove the existence of this "magical device" I'm not inclined to believe it exists outside of fiction.....

It would be an adaptation of standard medical biomonitoring devices combined with RFID microchip implants as seen here. The communication of these devices would be governed as given in the following paper: Biomonitoring With Wireless Applications
I'm rather surprised you haven't heard about this technology; it's been around for about a decade now.

[FArchivist]

nice strawman, they don't deny medications for that reason-per the FDA

And yet I posted several links to where a woman's health was denied in favor of the child due to the "child's best interests" law doctrine. Forcibly strapped and held down in a hospital bed against her will.

Sure, the people who do that won't deny medications for that reason. Nope, not at all.

[Eisa]

If they want to do all that, than can they please pay for me to just have my uterus ripped out already? I don't want kids, I will never want kids, and I don't even want the possibility of an accident happening. Except that if you're in your early 20s with no kids, no one wants to let you have any sort of procedure to do that...which I suppose is another topic in and of itself.

[Greenday]

But I argue that the doctor's job shouldn't be in danger if their patient is irresponsible and gets pregnant while on a medication she should know is dangerous.

What's ironic is that the doctor's job isn't in jeapordy if their patient is irresponsible. If a doctor doesn't tell a woman that the side effects of her meds can affect her pregnancy, then he's being irresponsible.

[Amanita]

If they want to do all that, than can they please pay for me to just have my uterus ripped out already? I don't want kids, I will never want kids, and I don't even want the possibility of an accident happening. Except that if you're in your early 20s with no kids, no one wants to let you have any sort of procedure to do that...which I suppose is another topic in and of itself.

Sign me up too, I'm in the same situation. I'm older though- 31. Whoever came up with this "pre-pregnant" crap can shove it.

[ExRetailDrone]

It would be an adaptation of standard medical biomonitoring devices combined with RFID microchip implants

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I'm rather surprised you haven't heard about this technology; it's been around for about a decade now.

Just because the technology is available does not mean that there is this huge push to implant all pubescent girls with them. Not to speak for BlaqueKatt, but I believe that is what she was asking for citation for, not the fact that the technology is available.

[BlaqueKatt]

The communication of these devices would be governed as given in the following paper:Biomonitoring With Wireless Applications

except as I said they are for telemetry monitoring, they CANNOT detect drug use, detecting heart rate, blood pressure, blood oxygen=/=detecting cocaine, marijuana, alcohol, MDMA.....now does it? There is a reason they have labs filled with technicians to run drug tests.....

Except that if you're in your early 20s with no kids, no one wants to let you have any sort of procedure to do that...which I suppose is another topic in and of itself.

again because of women changing their minds and suing, even though they signed consent forms the doctor still loses the case.

[tropicsgoddess]

What the fuck?!!! Miscarriages can be out of nowhere or due to other circumstances, ie. stress (physical or mental), high risk pregnancies, congenital defects, dietary or drug habits and such. Sure, somethings could help prevent miscarriages but they don't always and those women did NOT purposely murder their fetuses! They could've used guidance for their issues, not punitive measures!

[Andara Bledin]

Yeah, but a lack of education points the finger at society, and if we just blame the mothers instead, it leads to less guilt and it protects us from the fear that comes from the fact that it could happen to anybody. After all, if we do nothing wrong, then we don't have to worry, right?

The cold randomness of life frightens the hell out of people, and most will do anything to assign blame to anything else, even if that includes the vilification of those who are already victims of chance.

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[radiocerk]

Pregnancies and infants have a much higher mortality rate than older children and adults. Simple fact. Always been true. Miscarriages can happen when a pregnancy doesn't go right on an internal, cellular level. Kind of a reset switch. Nothing to blame anyone over.

In South Carolina, women who have given birth to healthy babies, but were judged to have "put their fetuses at risk" have been sentenced to jail for as long as 10 years. What the hell is putting a fetus at risk if it was born healthy?

[Andara Bledin]

Not addressing any other issue, but if a woman knew she was pregnant and then proceeded to get drunk and drive in that condition, that would be putting their unborn child at risk.

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[Hyena Dandy]

It would be an adaptation of standard medical biomonitoring devices combined with RFID microchip implants as seen here. The communication of these devices would be governed as given in the following paper: Biomonitoring With Wireless Applications
I'm rather surprised you haven't heard about this technology; it's been around for about a decade now.

FA, while I won't deny the technology exists, and in general I agree with you on the matter, I think you are hurting your case with hyperbole. To call it a "Huge push" is stretching it. The best you could say is that there is some sort of push for it. Unless by huge push you mean "We know how to do this, and there are some people who think its a good idea."

Which may be true, but to say that a paper saying its possible, or even a good idea, constitutes there being a "Huge Push" to have it done is clearly not true.