F*cked up sentencing

[Rapscallion]

And who is the court to decide if these people are mature enough?

I'd suggest that the court is a set of trained, professional arbiters who are employed to see things in a neutral context within the confines of the law, so that would be who they are.

In that guise, I would submit that the court failed in their role.

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[Gravekeeper]

I was about to say, the double standard came flying out of the gate in this thread pretty fast there.

[lordlundar]

She's a convicted sex offender now. So she can't. She should also have to register as a sex offender, regardless of her sentence.

And we all know that the Sex Offender registry has a 100% success rate, right?

I was about to say, the double standard came flying out of the gate in this thread pretty fast there.

When previous cases along almost the exact same lines but the roles reversed has drastically different results, what do you expect?

[Panacea]

Depends really on how drunk they were. Cause I honestly don't give a crap if a 15 year old hooks up with a 20 year old. Even 14 really. If they wanted it, I don't see any reason to treat her like someone who literally forced themself on people.

Doesn't matter. Below the age of 16, the minor is not legally considered to be able to make informed consent. Therefore, sexual activity with a minor on the part of an adult is considered abuse of power, because in such a relationship it is always a power relationship and the adult always has the power.

And we all know that the Sex Offender registry has a 100% success rate, right?

Point taken.

[Sleepwalker]

A 12 year old?

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[KabeRinnaul]

Depends really on how drunk they were. Cause I honestly don't give a crap if a 15 year old hooks up with a 20 year old. Even 14 really. If they wanted it, I don't see any reason to treat her like someone who literally forced themself on people.

Because young people never do stupid shit that ruins their own lives, of course. What's the difference between the 14 year old girl who hooks up with a 22 year old guy because she's intelligent, mature, and looking for someone above her age level in those respects, and the 14 year old girl who hooks up with a 22 old guy despite his drinking and abuse because she "knows" he loves her? Maturity is pretty much the only thing. That and one might make responsible decisions like waiting for a couple years, while the other is probably destroying her life.

And because we can't trust all young people to make mature, rational decisions in this sort of situation, and because, as you said, the court doesn't know them well enough to decide who's "mature", we put a blanket rule into play that defines what is a child and what is an adult, regardless of the individual.

[Greenday]

I guess it's my fault for not arguing over whether or not the law was applied correctly but whether or not anything wrong was done in the first place.

If it was a 20 year old guy doing that to younger girls, he'd be in infinitely deep shit.

[Kheldarson]

And that's the point, Greenday. The law is there, and is to be applied correctly, so that incidents where one gender, but not another, would get in trouble because of "perception" won't occur. Double standards are highly discriminatory and subjective. That is not the point of the law. And that's not right in any meaning of the word.

[Hyena Dandy]

Look, I might be less upset if it was only a fifteen year old, but one of the boys was twelve. Why am I the only person in this thread whos eems to have noticed that part?

[Rageaholic]

First thought - those lucky lads, hang on am I allowed to think that?

That's usually my first thought in stories like these too.

With that said I hate this double standard. Had the genders been reversed, you know there would have been jail time.

[Kheldarson]

Look, I might be less upset if it was only a fifteen year old, but one of the boys was twelve. Why am I the only person in this thread whos eems to have noticed that part?

You're not. But I'd be upset either way. She took advantage of several boys. Not men. Boys. Boys who are impressionable one way or another. The twelve year old is the worst, but still.

[KabeRinnaul]

Look, I might be less upset if it was only a fifteen year old, but one of the boys was twelve. Why am I the only person in this thread whos eems to have noticed that part?

I did, but the idea that age of consent should be applied subjectively caught my attention more. But yeah, there is really no sane argument in favor of any child under the age of 14 (and then only within that age group, and even then I think that's really pushing it) being involved with anything sexual.

"Horny teenage boys wanted it" is light-years from excusing the 12-year-old being involved.

[Eisa]

Look, I might be less upset if it was only a fifteen year old, but one of the boys was twelve. Why am I the only person in this thread whos eems to have noticed that part?

You aren't. WTF? It is a double standard. If she was a 20-year-old man who did that to a lot of girls, including a 12-year-old, people would be clamoring for his blood. But since she's female, it's...what? It's ok?

[Hyena Dandy]

You aren't. WTF? It is a double standard. If she was a 20-year-old man who did that to a lot of girls, including a 12-year-old, people would be clamoring for his blood. But since she's female, it's...what? It's ok?

In fact, because its a woman, there are a lot of reactions along the lines of "Lucky kids".

I mean, seriously... No. I mean... No. That's not an acceptable reaction.

[Rapscallion]

http://youdamnkid.keenspot.com/d/20061114.html

About all I need to add, and I had to go through some archives to get that one.

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