Father Teaches Daughter Lesson About Facebook

[KnitShoni]

Crash is explaining the "where you show out is where you get laid out" type of parenting. Which is sort of what happened here. She showed out (a profanity-filled rant disrespecting all her parents and a family friend) in public (sorry, if a couple hundred facebook friends can see it, it isn't private) on her laptop, more than once. However, she didn't get laid out. She got a lecture and her laptop taken away.

[jackfaire]

It wasn't that she was complaining about her parents.

Except his video gives that impression. He doesn't seem to care much about the venue as he mostly acknowledged that her friends were the ones to see it he seemed to focus more on "You and your friends having a big laugh thinking your so much smarter than us"

He seemed more pissed that she complained to her friends than that she did it on Facebook.

That's why people feel this is more about punishing her for having an opinion.

[fireheart17]

He seemed more pissed that she complained to her friends than that she did it on Facebook.

That's why people feel this is more about punishing her for having an opinion.

That seems to be the consensus for teenagers full stop: they aren't entitled to an opinion and if they do have an opinion, they are beaten down for having one in the first place. Parents need to remember that their child is not a mini-me of them. They will not necessarily have the exact same opinions as you. The general public needs to remember that despite their appearances, teenagers DO receive a thorough education, are capable of forming their own opinions and while they are capable of reading and writing, they may not necessarily USE it.

[KnitShoni]

Why do people keep acting as if showing your child there are consequences for expressing your opinion in a disrespectful manner is exactly the same thing as punishing your child for having an opinion?

[HYHYBT]

Because in this case the punishment is for expressing that opinion. The opinion expressed is inherently disrespectful, if you consider this expression of it to be. There are limits on the amount of respect anyone can reasonably expect, and requiring teenagers not to vent about their parents is beyond that.

(Punishment for "disobedience" when the order disobeyed was to not express your opinions is punishment for expressing opinions.)

[KnitShoni]

Except it wasn't. She was not punished for being upset with having to do chores. She wasn't punished for the complaining itself. She was punished for the cursing and the way she talked about her parents and the family friend.

The order disobeyed was to not post things like that on facebook. Something she'd been grounded for previously.

[Andara Bledin]

Why do people keep acting as if showing your child there are consequences for expressing your opinion in a disrespectful manner is exactly the same thing as punishing your child for having an opinion?

Because it's much easier to attack the straw man of "she was punished for ranting" than to go after the "she was punished for disobeying her parent's order to not be disrespectful on Facebook."

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[Rageaholic]

Maybe it's just me, but this video comes across as more of a threat than any kind of discipline. "It's about to get a whole lot harder" Also,

“The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools,” he opines. “Yes some of you out there excel. If you’ve graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I’m not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you’re too lazy to get a job, then yes, I’m talking to you. Half of that is the parent’s fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent’s fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It’s your kid.. so no matter what it’s ALWAYS your fault.. get it?”

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He sounds like one of those idiots who expects his kids to be out of the house at 18. Well sorry pal but unless the econony gets better, that's a damn unrealistic expectation.

Asshole.

[KnitShoni]

Sounds to me like what my parents told me and we told our kids: If you are going to college and/or working, we'll let you stay here as long as you need to (provided you don't disrespect us and our house). But if you have no job, aren't looking for a job, and aren't trying to go to college or learn a trade, you're going to have to go.

[jackfaire]

and the family friend.

Except all she said was that said family friend was the cleaning lady. To me that wouldn't be disrespectful. That is her job title.

The dad somehow thinks it was disrespectful to refer to her as 'the cleaning lady' He apparently thinks that job title is a demeaning one or something.

That would like saying my friends kid calling me a Customer Service Rep is disrespectful.

As for teaching her the consequences. 99% of the time complaining about someone to your friends has no real consequences. Nor does swearing.

[Greenday]

As for teaching her the consequences. 99% of the time complaining about someone to your friends has no real consequences. Nor does swearing.

Complaining about how bad you have it and basically calling it abuse does have consequences when the wrong person sees it and has a chat with the authorities.

[KnitShoni]

As for teaching her the consequences. 99% of the time complaining about someone to your friends has no real consequences. Nor does swearing.

Unless you're on the job...

The issue with the whole "cleaning lady" thing was the idea that she apparently had that because this woman came in and cleaned, that should get her out of doing chores at all. Even if the woman was a full time cleaning lady, not temporarily because of some arrangement, that does not give this girl a get out of chores free pass.

[Greenday]

Unless you're on the job...

The issue with the whole "cleaning lady" thing was the idea that she apparently had that because this woman came in and cleaned, that should get her out of doing chores at all. Even if the woman was a full time cleaning lady, not temporarily because of some arrangement, that does not give this girl a get out of chores free pass.

Exactly. A cleaning lady is to help out. Not literally do everything. Everyone I know who had one (albeit that wasn't many people) always picked up themselves. I mean, if it weren't for chores, $20 says the mom would be doing all the cleaning and everything around the house while the father runs the business. Then we'd have a whole new round of complaining about it being unfair. Sorry, as a kid, she's bottom of the totem pole and gets the shit work while the adults at the top of the food chain have to do all the real, tough, important work.

[Gravekeeper]

He punished her using the same forum that she used to warrant the punishment.

He used a larger forum than the one she used to warrant the punishment. When he was called upon to be the grown up here, he failed.

so you have to let them be hellions in public and then make sure your punishment is private so they have to find out later on their own what the consequences end up really being.

That might be relevant if this had physically occurred in public. But it is not applicable seeing as this occurred online and initially occurred outside of dad's view.

Except his video gives that impression. He doesn't seem to care much about the venue as he mostly acknowledged that her friends were the ones to see it he seemed to focus more on "You and your friends having a big laugh thinking your so much smarter than us"

One wonders why he cares what a bunch of teenage girls think of him online. -.-

Because it's much easier to attack the straw man of "she was punished for ranting" than to go after the "she was punished for disobeying her parent's order to not be disrespectful on Facebook."

....Yes, because no where in this thread did we ever discuss any of the other core issues of the problem. Its all been about this "straw man". >.>

Exactly. A cleaning lady is to help out. Not literally do everything.

No, a cleaning lady is to do whatever cleaning it is she was hired to do by her client. Whether it be some things or everything. You can't make a universal declaration of job responsibilities based on a job title alone. Especially one that vague.

Sorry, as a kid, she's bottom of the totem pole and gets the shit work while the adults at the top of the food chain have to do all the real, tough, important work.

Odd, I thought people had kids because they wanted kids, not because they wanted free live in labour to do all the shit they feel is beneath them. -.-

[Andara Bledin]

....Yes, because no where in this thread did we ever discuss any of the other core issues of the problem. Its all been about this "straw man". >.>

The question was asked why people kept bringing it up and that was the answer. Neither KnitShoni nor I made any claim that everybody was doing it or that nobody was avoiding it.

You're reading a whole lot more into the exchange than exists and making much ado about nothing.

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