Women Raping Men

[BlaqueKatt]

So, from a legal aspect; what would be the charge for a woman who drugged a man and inserted a vibrator into his anus? Or sat astride his face forcing him to orally pleasure her? Or gave him drugs to bring on an erection and had sex with him? Just curious.

Well it used to be covered under sodomy laws, I'm guessing a lesser degree sexual assault?

[Lace Neil Singer]

This I don't know, I'm not fully read up on sexual assault laws (that's what CID do day in day out) and have a basic knowledge, I *can* find out but it will take me a few days (I don't have access to the database from home)

Okies. I'll be happy to wait.

I would be guessing it's a lesser degree, which seems pretty unfair as that kind of assault would be just as traumatising to a victim as generic rape.

Also, a lot of guys would instantly think, "Lucky bastard" at the second and third. -__- In other words, not taking it seriously.

[Sylvia727]

Many people still think of rape as physical hurt instead of control. He held me down, he forced himself into me, he twisted my arms and pulled my hair. Women don't usually overpower men. Since rape is about control, they tend to seek nonphysical means of control- just as damaging, but harder to see. I think it's simply the visuals- it's easy to see how forcing a penis into a vagina is rape. The stabbing/screwing metaphor of penetration. It's harder for some people to understand how it hurts the man to be forced into vaginal sex. After all, his body isn't really being hurt, is it? He gets aroused and ejaculated, so he must have had an orgasm, so he must have enjoyed himself, right? (Paraphrasing ignorant minds, here; I don't think like this.)

Some people honestly believe that if a guy gets physically aroused, then obviously he was mentally aroused as well. Some others, I suspect many others, have the subconscious assumption that rape is more okay for a guy than a gal. Since all men want sex all the time, it isn't as traumatizing for him as it is for her.

Also, some people dismiss the possibility of female-on-male rape as nonsense. Since a "real" man can't possibly be outwrestled by a li'l woman and/or he should "suck up" any minor pain inflicted by her weak self, woman-on-man rape is impossible. It's a perverted form of sexism- misogynism twisted against men. These people tend to be homophobic, though, so forced sodomy has a greater acceptance as rape in their minds.

"Where were teachers like this when I was in school?"

[Lace Neil Singer]

Those are the sort of people who refuse to believe that there are such things as female pedophiles.

[Miss_Stress]

Okies. I'll be happy to wait.

I would be guessing it's a lesser degree, which seems pretty unfair as that kind of assault would be just as traumatising to a victim as generic rape.

Also, a lot of guys would instantly think, "Lucky bastard" at the second and third. -__- In other words, not taking it seriously.

I'm jumping in late here...a woman would be charged under S2 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 with assault by penetration (the legal definition of this, if memory serves correctly, "penetration of the anus or vagina with anything, without consent.") Crazylegs is spot on when he says under UK law, a woman cannot be charged with rape due to the legal definition of it. The definition states "his penis", whereas S2 of the Act merely requires SOMETHING to penetrate...not necessarily a penis.

[Pagan]

Second, I'm sorry if this sounds disgusting, but it still counts as rape if penetration is achieved using an instrument. For example, a woman who drugs her male victim and uses a vibrator on him. Still counts. There are also cases of young boys being raped by female pedophiles. It's true that female on male rape is woefully unreported; just like male on male. A lot of men would be ashamed to come forward and report that they'd been overpowered and humilated in that way.

Or you get cases like this (happened in 2008): http://www.krqe.com/dpp/search/Polic..._hazing_968153

[tropicsgoddess]

Double standards suck, but rape is rape no matter if the rapist is a man or woman in any case. I loathe the women that do that despicable shit with trapping men into supporting them and their (man's unplanned and unwanted) baby! They give women a bad name!!!

[Kaylyn]

Just throwing this in, for no other reason than this thread reminded me of it. Once upon a time, I had planned for a minor subplot in my novel involving a girl raping her ex and unluckily finding herself pregnant as a result of it. I think I tossed it aside because during later revisions I felt it didn't fit. It's still a concept I'd like to explore in some way, however. I like reversing expectations like that in my writing.

[Miss_Stress]

Double standards suck, but rape is rape no matter if the rapist is a man or woman in any case. I loathe the women that do that despicable shit with trapping men into supporting them and their (man's unplanned and unwanted) baby! They give women a bad name!!!

Absolutely agree. Seen it happen more than once, and it makes me so mad.

[bara]

Actually, I have a memory of Fresh Prince that touched on this subject, in which Will was seduced against his will by one of his Uncle Phil's female friends.
Keeping in mind I saw this a LONG time ago, but she was in a position of authority or something like that and cornered him.

[mooncat]

What's really interesting to me in this thread is the sudden and brilliant clarity of thought that occurs when people explore the topic of women raping men. All these questions and statements about whether he wanted it or not, isn't it humiliating or traumatizing, etc. The idea of non-consent becomes so easy to understand when we admit that men, too, can be raped. Yet there are still people in the world who don't accept the idea of non-consent where a woman is concerned. "If she was there, she must have wanted it. If she didn't fight back, she must have wanted it." And so on.

Please note - I am not accusing anyone on this thread of blaming women for being raped. This is meant as an observation of the way this topic gets people thinking. I'm very glad to see the statement that rape is wrong no matter who is raped, or by whom they are raped.

[Seshat]

On the purely physical 'how would it be possible' side: a cock ring could be used to force an erection. It permits free flow of blood into the penis, and inhibits (doesn't prevent, but inhibits) blood flow out of it.

A definition of 'consensual sex' that I like. Instead of 'did he/she say no?', make it instead 'did he/she give an enthusiastic yes?'

By requiring the 'enthusiastic yes' for consent .. well. It kind of turns the whole issue around. Intimidating someone into not-saying-no doesn't count anymore.

[Greenday]

A definition of 'consensual sex' that I like. Instead of 'did he/she say no?', make it instead 'did he/she give an enthusiastic yes?'

By requiring the 'enthusiastic yes' for consent .. well. It kind of turns the whole issue around. Intimidating someone into not-saying-no doesn't count anymore.

I don't like that at all. What about those times where you aren't feeling it, but have sex anyway to please your partner? That yes you give probably isn't an enthusiastic yes.

[Kaylyn]

I don't like that at all. What about those times where you aren't feeling it, but have sex anyway to please your partner? That yes you give probably isn't an enthusiastic yes.

Totally agree. I have an extremely low sex drive, so I rarely give an enthusiastic yes when hubby asks for it, yet I don't consider myself raped.

[KabeRinnaul]

This topic is just reminding me of a series of posts I saw on another forums years ago, which I decided to archive here due to just how mind-bogglingly insensitive it was.

That being said, I think rape can definitely be woman on man, and anyone who says the man must have enjoyed it eventually is putting themselves into basically the same class as those who say a woman dressed nicely is asking for it. And I would really like to see those places with really restrictive definitions of rape and sexual assault (like the ones that, through their wording, define rape only as being performed by a man) change those laws.