PETA: yet more insanity

[anriana]

Ariana; I'm not debating with you cuz your "arguments" are emotion based and make no sense. I STARTED this thread; why wouldn't I debate the subject? Maybe you're the one who needs to leave it.

You've already shown that you're not going to do any debating, just make flippant comments, be abrasive, and whine about people not agreeing with you.

Futhermore, I haven't made any arguments towards you - I've simply explained ideas that you admitted you weren't able to understand.

And why I leave the thread? I'm not the one complaining that people are posting opinions that are different than mine.

[Evandril]

I seriously dislike peta, mainly because anything they try and advocate is going to be 'tarnished' by their idiocy...even the causes I feel should be getting attention. They want to call fish 'Sea kittens'? That's fine, I'll order a plate of sea kittens next time I feel like having fish...I had a dog that would answer to 'protein', and I've eaten various interesting things while overseas.

The 'process' used to make veal is not an enjoyable one for the calf in question...but if it wasn't being raised to be a meal, it most likely would not be *alive*...so is it better for it to have never lived, or to have lived in poor conditions?

peta likes tossing paint on 'real' fur...So the person goes out and buys MORE fur to replace what they lost...Sound a bit counter-productive to anyone else?

There are quite a few things being done to animals that are cruel and unjust, and, IMO, needs to be dealt with (puppy/kitten 'farms', unneccisary/cruel animal testing, ect) but when someone takes the 'cause', and goes nuts (*all* testing animals need to be freed! and the like) it makes the real problems get drowned out by the backround noise.

[kiwi]

but if it wasn't being raised to be a meal, it most likely would not be *alive*...so is it better for it to have never lived, or to have lived in poor conditions?

I don't agree with that at all.

I haven't eaten battery eggs since I was seven and told my mother I simply refused to eat something produced by a living creature in inhumane conditions. Not only is it a miserable life for the animal in question, but I personally don't want to eat animals that have been injected with antibiotics or hormones and that are stressed.

As soon as I started working I also starting buying crate free pork products (ham, bacon, pork) , free range chickens and hormone free beef.

I would rather the animals I use for sustenance have a good natural healthy existence before they are killed for my use. It might be a short life but at least it is somewhat pleasurable for them. I don't eat veal or foie gras for that very reason. That is a personal choice of mine though.

[Dreamstalker]

I don't eat battery eggs either; last year the local chain supermarket began stocking the organic cage-free eggs. I find the cage-free variety do taste better. I will eat foie gras and veal, but only if it's offered (as in, I enjoy it as a rare treat, but would not buy it myself).

Hell, if it doesn't try to eat me first I'll eat it. I'm an omnivore. Could I go without red meat? Probably. Would I be particularly happy about it? No.

[anriana]

The 'process' used to make veal is not an enjoyable one for the calf in question...but if it wasn't being raised to be a meal, it most likely would not be *alive*...so is it better for it to have never lived, or to have lived in poor conditions?

Veal calves are byproducts of the dairy industry so the options aren't "is it better for him to have never lived, or to never live in poor conditions," more "is it better for him to be killed at birth, to be raised humanely, or to live in poor conditions"

I don't eat battery eggs either; last year the local chain supermarket began stocking the organic cage-free eggs. I find the cage-free variety do taste better. I will eat foie gras and veal, but only if it's offered (as in, I enjoy it as a rare treat, but would not buy it myself).

Why wouldn't you buy it yourself?

[Lace Neil Singer]

Ariana, I'll say this one more time so you can understand; this is my topic. I would be happy to debate with you if a) you weren't attacking me, despite the fact that other people are disagreeing with you and b) you were not being offensive in your opinions. This is the last time I'm going to bother to reply to you; next time, I'm just ignoring your posts and scrolling past to read the replies of people who are happy to debate the subject in a mature manner.

If PETA wants to ban the eating of all meat, does that mean that the animals they "save" are supposed to eat only plants? Good luck enforcing that.

Dogs can handle "vegan" diets (I'm pretty sure...won't be happy, but they'll live). Cats cannot, they will die (I seem to recall a couple cases in the news involving vegans who tried to make their cat vegan as well, it did not end well for the poor cat).

Got this from Yahoo Answers: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0190038AAD5qTR

What I wonder about is why vegans and vegetarians don't just buy rabbits and guinea pigs? If I was in possession of a back garden, I'd rush out and buy a guinea right away as they are lovely pets. And 100% naturally vegetarian.

When I worked in the pet centre, this woman used to come in with a vegetarian dog; she ordered this vegetarian dog food and used to throw a tantrum if it didn't arrive for any reason (Note to SC: I just order it, it's up to the company I order it from to send it to me! ) Her dog used to sit outside looking deeply depressed. Never used to react to anything at all; I always wondered whether that was due to its diet, or cuz its owner was a screeching harridan. Probably a bit of both; if she felt that the best way to communicate her annoyance at the fact that her order hadn't shown up (and I realise that it is annoying, however there is very little the pet store worker can do about it) was by pitching a mega tantrum, I wouldn't put it past her to be shouting and screaming at her dog if it did anything she didn't like.

[Evandril]

I don't agree with that at all.

Which did you not agree with? It was an open question...Slightly loaded, but still an open question. Some people do feel it would have been 'better' for the animal to have never lived.

[kiwi]

Some people do feel it would have been 'better' for the animal to have never lived.

I dont agree with allowing an animal to live in a bad way for any length of time. I personally would rather animals not ever live at all than be what I personally believe to be tortured while they are alive.

[Dreamstalker]

Why wouldn't you buy it yourself?

Right now, expense and for foie gras, the chances of me ruining it in the cooking process are quite high.

[IDrinkaRum]

You forgot Foghorn Leghorn. XD And Donald Duck! And let's not forget Bambi's mum.

I've eaten Bambi's mum. I was 10. It was in chili. I wasn't too impressed. I might try it again. Not sure. I'm up for it.

Haven't had Donald Duck. From what I understand, if it's not done correctly, it's greasy. I just get a sick feeling in my tummy at the thought of it.

As for Foghorn Leghorn - Bring him on!

Dreamstalker - I have no clue on how to cook foie gras. However, I do remember Tyler Florence(? I think it was him) who showed a woman how to cook it. You might be able to go to foodnetwork.com and get a recipe. Not that I'm telling OMG! Go there now and expenses be darned!

However, from now on, I'm thinking about eating meat for every single meal I have. XD

[Dreamstalker]

One thing I will not eat (besides fugu; while intriguing, it's just too risky):

Tofurkey.

In Manhattan (somewhere near Grand Central Station on Lex IIRC), there's a vegetarian/vegan burger joint. My dad who is a self-professed carnivore could not tell that the burger patties were vegetarian. All in all it wasn't bad.

Unfortunately while Googling their website I found that the NYC location has closed (blaming high rents). Pity, that...I liked their food.

[Boozy]

You've already shown that you're not going to do any debating, just make flippant comments, be abrasive, and whine about people not agreeing with you.

Ariana, I'll say this one more time so you can understand; this is my topic. I would be happy to debate with you if a) you weren't attacking me, despite the fact that other people are disagreeing with you and b) you were not being offensive in your opinions. This is the last time I'm going to bother to reply to you; next time, I'm just ignoring your posts and scrolling past to read the replies of people who are happy to debate the subject in a mature manner.

This thread is one more post like this away from getting closed. For the sake of those who are behaving themselves and enjoying the debate, please stay away from the personal attacks and accusations.

If anyone has a problem with something someone says, you should respond respectfully and without taking things personally. If you have a problem with HOW someone says something, report the post and do not respond in the thread.

You should also take advantage of the "ignore" option if someone is getting on your nerves.

And for the record: Just because someone starts a thread does not mean that they can dictate the content therein. Once a thread is begun, it belongs to the Fratching community.

Now knock it off.

[AdminAssistant]

I don't eat a lot of meat - sometimes...just not a lot. Never have, I'm a carb junkie. At home, it's mostly chicken...and sometimes a little steak. Hamburgers...just not handy for the single person. There's always meat leftover that I usually don't use.

When I do buy animal products (heck, all groceries) I go as organic and natural as I can afford to. But it gets expensive and I'm hella poor - which is another reason why I don't eat a lot of meat. A half dozen 'cage free' eggs are $3, while the regular ones are $0.60....um, that spare can get me two boxes of mac'n'cheese.

Maybe it's because I was raised in the country (where Bambi and Donald are frequent 'dinner guests') but animal = food. Yes, lambs are cute and cuddly. They are also delicious. Crawdads are really ugly. But they are delicious. Attractiveness has no bearing on food quality. Heck, catfish are the ugliest kind of fishies there are, but so tasty. Mmmmm...bottomfeeders....

Look, if someone wants to go vegan/vegetarian, more power to them. It just doesn't matter either way.

[IDrinkaRum]

Now I'm craving a TurDucKen (a chicken inside of a duck inside of a turkey). Wonder if anyone from PETA would come over and help me prepare/cook/eat it?

[Lace Neil Singer]

Wonder how PETA would react if you sent them a ripe turd and told them it was a "toilet kitten"? O_o That is what a mate of mine said when I told him about the sea kitten thing. XD

I've had venison before, and it's great. Hardly any fat on it, and much nicer than beef. XD I haven't had rabbit (Bugs Bunny? Is there any meat not avaliable in cartoon form?) but I know people who have and they say it's nice.