Visible miniority BS

[KnitShoni]

This is something I have a problem with, the whole visible minority thing. Regardless of whether they are immigrants or First Nations.

People seem to think that it's okay to blend every culture that they see as "white" together. Sorry, I don't consider myself white, sorry my heritage is Croatian, not "white".

Diversity for employers should mean they simply don't discriminate about who they hire based on looks, culture or race. They shouldn't be looking for a certain skin tone, sounds an awful lot like what was happening 50 years ago or so in reverse.

I agree. My husband looks white. He's got brown hair and blue eyes. His parents and siblings are the same. However, his parents have enough Native American blood to have reservation roll numbers. But, they're all described as "white" because of their physical characteristics.

[KnitShoni]

Part of that trouble is black people getting prissy about being black and picking a new label that doesn't make sense

Yes, thank you for lumping us all in the same box.

[smileyeagle1021]

What we want is for the most qualified / best suited person do be hired for the job. If that just so happens to be a white guy instead of a black woman, there's no justifiable reason to turn around and hire the lesser applicant.

You would have no idea how many black women I know who agree with that (OK, so there is two, but those are the only two I've talked to on the subject ). Both of them said that if they got a job/promotion it was because they worked hard and they earned that job/promotion... not because they happened to have the right color skin and genitals.

Then again, on the flip side, I've met people of multiple different ethnicity that will pull the "I come from a disadvantaged background, I should be given the better jobs as compensation"
I'm sorry, my Grandma came from a disadvantaged background and you know what she did... she worked her ass off, became a registered nurse, saved up every penny she could, opened her own convalescent care facility, ran it for years and earned enough to put all three of her children through school and then retire in relative comfort. My mom had a boss who's background was that he was born in a Japanese internment camp... he now owns his own company through hard work and perseverance. One of my former bosses was born a dirt farmer in Bangladesh, worked hard in school, got himself a scholarship, was later accepted to a school in the US and now works full time as a software engineer and owns two hotels.
It's a cliche but it's true. Life is like poker, it's not the person who's dealt the best hand who wins but the one who plays it best.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

It's not who's a minority or not, it's whether or not it should matter.

Quotas for gender and race are the opposite of fair, they seek to correct perceived problems with racial and gender bias. As someone who is firmly against racial and gender bias, I can't see the hiring of anyone based on their gender or race as anything other than the discrimination everyone said they wanted to end.

What we want is for the most qualified / best suited person do be hired for the job. If that just so happens to be a white guy instead of a black woman, there's no justifiable reason to turn around and hire the lesser applicant.

[Ree]

I thought that women edged out men in terms of population.

I'M the minority for having a schlong. What now? Take away all the female scholarships and start giving men them since WE are the minorities!

I am going to have to disagree with blas, when she states women are a minority. What she is referring to does not make women a minority.

I think blas is referring to the fact that, for centuries, women were held back and not given the opportunities that men were.

When it came to job opportunities, men almost always edged out women, regardless of the qualifications, unless it was a job related to something domestic (cleaning, cooking, childcare), and even then, if it came down to a man with a family, or a single woman, the man usually got the job.

That all changed a few years ago, however, with the women's movement and the politically correct attitude that took over.

Depending on where you live, it seems that many places now have quotas to fill with regard to gender as well as race.

In speaking with a lot of guys I know, it would seem that the white male is now on the very bottom rung for the most part when it comes to opportunities.
That doesn't actually make them a minority, though.

[Rapscallion]

I'm a visible minority, I have a vagina. It does not matter what color it is, I'm still a minority, dammit.

If it's visible, can I arrange to ...

Never mind. Bad admin. Very bad admin. Needs spanking.

Rapscallion

[Greenday]

I thought that women edged out men in terms of population. Aren't there just a few more of you than there are of us?

Yes, there are. According to the CIA's World Fact Book, there are more women than men in America. And since blas lives in the USofA, she's not a minority for having a vagina. I'M the minority for having a schlong. What now? Take away all the female scholarships and start giving men them since WE are the minorities!

[Fryk]

I thought that women edged out men in terms of population. Aren't there just a few more of you than there are of us?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I'm a visible minority, I have a vagina. It does not matter what color it is, I'm still a minority, dammit.

I didn't know stuff like that counts. *ahem*

I say nerdy things! Therefore I am a visible minority!

Seriously though:
It's not overly surprising to me that there are those who think 'black' when they hear African-American. Especially since it's become the PC way to refer to blacks regardless of their heritage. Doesn't make it any less retarded that they reacted the way they did.

[blas87]

I'm a visible minority, I have a vagina. It does not matter what color it is, I'm still a minority, dammit.

[HYHYBT]

What I am saying is, I want my diversity recognised as well. I want my culture recognised on an equal footing. I am angry that I am told I am worth less because I don't fit the mould.

I'm sorry for what you're going through; discrimination stinks in any direction.

But I have to admit that, shameful though it may be, part of me is glad to hear evidence (other than climate and the tales from Nunavut) that Canada isn't as perfect as it often sounds.

[muses_nightmare]

This is something I have a problem with, the whole visible minority thing. Regardless of whether they are immigrants or First Nations.

People seem to think that it's okay to blend every culture that they see as "white" together. Sorry, I don't consider myself white, sorry my heritage is Croatian, not "white".

Diversity for employers should mean they simply don't discriminate about who they hire based on looks, culture or race. They shouldn't be looking for a certain skin tone, sounds an awful lot like what was happening 50 years ago or so in reverse.

[kiwi]

Part of that trouble is black people getting prissy about being black and picking a new label that doesn't make sense

Well firstly I live in Canada, this has nothing whatsoever to do with black people

Secondly this is not a race issue, this is an authenticity issue. The companies spout that they are here to help immigrants but only immigrants that will make them look good because they look different and therefore "diverse". They are making an issue of diversity, and issue of image.

They spout off about diversity and equal opportunity for all and then the very questions they ask on the application form contradict that. I am calling them out on being hypocritical and inauthentic in their policies about diversity because of the way they frame what they consider diversity to be.

I have now had many instances when I have been told that I am not a "real" immigrant simply because of the way I look. It doesn't matter that my upbringing was in a different society, it doesn't matter that technically I am a pacific islander that doesn't count. Then in the same breathe they tell me how they embrace all cultures and recognise how important it is to make immigrants feel welcomed.

I'm just venting, I fully accept that discrimination goes on and that if you name isnt Jane Smith things in life will be harder for you. I am not discounting that or trying to trivialise it.

What I am saying is, I want my diversity recognised as well. I want my culture recognised on an equal footing. I am angry that I am told I am worth less because I don't fit the mould.

[Rapscallion]

No - you said "black people getting prissy about being black".

Back it up.

Rapscallion

[elsporko]

Evidence of what? That the phrase African American is used? How about this link

http://www.fratching.com/showthread....7513#post47513


The phrase comes up a couple of times.


Evidence of how it doesn't make sense?

http://www.fratching.com/showthread....7513#post47513

Several stories of how it doesn't make sense.