preaching about meat or booze etc

[Boozy]

I also find it impossible to understand vegetarians who eat fish. Fish are living things as well, you know; why do you refuse to eat cows, pigs or sheep, but happy chow down on fish or shrimp?

I think someone who calls themselves a vegetarian but still eats fish needs to get a dictionary.

But there are many, many reasons that someone might eat fish and no other kind of meat. Someone trying to control their cholesterol, for example. Or maybe they're an environmentalist and trying to reduce their impact by cutting out beef from their diet. An old friend of mine chose not to eat meat because she didn't like the taste and texture.

It's not always a moral decision.

[Cat]

When I go to the bf's, I usually bring something for me. (and usually it gets sampled by all) One of my dear friends is polite enough to have some non-meat munchies for her guests.

As for the "eat what I make or gtfo," if you have a Kosher friend, would you make them bacon cheesburgers? (if that happens to me what you feel like making?)

And to get make to the preaching...I have a coworker who always goes on how "this food is bad, you eat it your bad, its unhealthy, it will kill you," and he is far more unhealthy than me In that case, the preaching is annoying, but I just ignore it. (he is not a vegetarian, the food item can be what ever you want it....story remains the same)

[Lace Neil Singer]

Lol. I personally wouldn't bother cooking a separate meal; either bring your own food, or eat what you're given. xD

[protege]

And real leather belts are actually cheaper. FAIL!

That...and if properly taken care of, real leather lasts longer. By that, I'm speaking about old car seats. Many times, the real stuff only requires a thorough cleaning and some "hide food" to keep it supple. Not so with the fake stuff--that usually ends up falling apart.

Back on topic, if someone doesn't like what my kitchen prepares, they'll have to deal with it. If they start whining, I toss their ass out

[jackfaire]

People can be complete idiots during surveys.


People really need to be better educated.

They did something similar on the Man Show they got women to sign a petition to end Women's Suffrage. Their slogan was, "Why should women suffer"

[Rebel]

People can be complete idiots during surveys.

My favourite survey was done by Penn and Teller.
They had people at an environmental rally sign a petition to ban the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide.

People really need to be better educated.

[draggar]

I also find it impossible to understand vegetarians who eat fish. Fish are living things as well, you know; why do you refuse to eat cows, pigs or sheep, but happy chow down on fish or shrimp?

You'll love this.

My wife went to a rather "hippie" like college and she conducted a survey for a class.

90% of the people who took the quiz considered themselves "vegetarians".

Remember that mother.

As for the rest of the survey, "On a regular basis"

95% ate fish
90% ate shellfish
75% ate poultry (meaning chicken, turkey, etc..)
50% ate "wild" animals (deer, moose, etc.)
45% ate pork
35% ate beef

That's right, even though 95% claimed to be vegetarians, at max, 5% were, maybe 25% if you don't include fish could be considered vegetarians.

My brother in law claims he's a vegetarian. We see him eating steaks and chicken at their parent's house during cookouts.

"These are OK, they're not processed meats"

Then, I catch him eating some salami "Oh, it's all beef salami".

Don't call yourself a vegetarian if you're going to eat meat and if it has a mother, it's meat.

[Cat]

Some people are veg not bacuse "oh noes killing is bad," I think it the mass consumerism, taking many steps back from what your meal was. I totaly support raising meat and hunting, it's usually a cleaner kill, and I feel it can bring respect to the animal that is feeding. (personally, I don't think *I* can hunt, if I couldn't kill it, I won't eay it )

The whole critters getting killed in crops is sad and unavoidable (unless you grow your own) but crops rasied to feed cattle are harvested the same way.
Unless they are completely ignorant or brain-dead, *most* vegetarians are aware of this.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Unless Vegans and Vegetarians only buy food grown on farms that use hand tools then the machinery is killing small animals.

If they use natural pesticides they are using one animal to kill another animal.

Their hands are not clean.

This. This article here states exactly that.

Nobody's hands are free from the blood of other animals, not even vegetarians, he concluded. Millions of animals are killed every year, Davis says, to prepare land for growing crops, "like corn, soybean, wheat and barley, the staples of a vegan diet."

Smaller Victims

The animals in this case are mice and moles and rabbits and other creatures that are run over by tractors, or lose their habitat to make way for farming, so they are not as "visible" as cattle, he says.

And that, Davis says, gives rise to a fundamental question: "What is it that makes it OK to kill animals of the field so that we can eat [vegetables or fruits] but not pigs or chickens or cows?"

I also find it impossible to understand vegetarians who eat fish. Fish are living things as well, you know; why do you refuse to eat cows, pigs or sheep, but happy chow down on fish or shrimp?

[Rebel]

I love stuff like this.
I work at a pet store. We have raw bones, dehydrated bones, pig ears, cow hooves, beef tripe, etc all through our store. Across the road is a Vegan store (sells food, clothing, and beauty supplies). They hate us. They're always the ones who will come over to argue against eating meat. They hate it when we point out the facts about cat and dog nutritional needs and how meat is very much needed (they're fricking carnivores you dumbarses!) I actually had to tell off one girl who was trying to make her cat a vegetarian like herself (you can technically make a dog a vegetarian, just don't expect it to be very healthy or active or live too long a life).

I normally have no problem with Vegans and Vegetarians. To each their own. But if you dare to attack me when I'm eating a burger, I will make pained little 'mooing' sounds for the rest of my meal.
As for drinking, I actually can't do it for medical reasons (well I can, but the massive pain and risk of type 1 isn't really worth it). But I've never had any problem with other people doing so (I'm Australian, kinda hard to avoid the drinking culture).

Also, Vegan store? Those faux leather belts you sell? They still put forward the idea that leather belts are awesome. And real leather belts are actually cheaper. FAIL!

[jackfaire]

Unless Vegans and Vegetarians only buy food grown on farms that use hand tools then the machinery is killing small animals.

If they use natural pesticides they are using one animal to kill another animal.

Their hands are not clean.

[Racket_Man]

I am a semi-drunk carnivore and I approve of this message.

Yes, to be a carnivore, some animal has to die. But you know what? That animal probably would never have been born if it wasn't for people like me who ate that animal. That's how I am and if it means killing something lower in the food chain, then so be it.

As far as drinking being evil goes, you know what? I drink, I don't get obnoxious, and I don't drive drunk. There's nothing wrong with that.

I too admit to being a carnivore and having the ocasional adult beverage.

the one thing that bugs me about either side of the carnivore VS vegitarian/vegan moral/ethic thing is this:

Simply put: either way of comsuming the needed nutriutional things, most of the time involves "KILLING LIVING THINGS". just becasue you happen to be at the top of the "food chain" does NOT absolve you from this fact.

I assume that most people KNOW that plants are alive as are animals as are inscets, as are reptiles, etc. so unless you ONLY comsume stuff that has died "naturally" or only eat fallen berries or seeds you will have to "sacrifice" something so you can consume/eat it.

That nice ear of corn on your plate used to be part of a living plant that died so you could eat its potential offspring. that ear of corn is literally ripped from the plant (Hmmm I wonder how that plant feels about that though that is a WHOLE other discussion) and the rest of the plant is just discarded as scrap (most of the time anyway other uses are being found for that).

one thing eating another thing for food is just natural. what way you CHOOSE is up to you. but do not get all moral and ethical about it.

[PepperElf]

ah that's where i'm different then.

as i said before, when it comes to offering drinks, i usually offer more than just alcohol cos, even though i drink booze... i don't always drink it.

as for non-meat foods... eh i've met enough people who say "i don't eat meat" that my reaction is pretty much "ok". and if i'm cooking food that they specifically might eat, i make sure there's something they can consume. (easiest way is to make food that requires a sauce, cos then you can make a separate meat sauce and a separate veggie sauce so everyone is happy and no one feels on-the-spot for their own food preferences)

and yeah "for moral reasons" is one of the pet peeves i mentioned.
now if someone clarifies that it's for their own personal reasons it actually doesn't trigger the pet peeve. might sound strange to some but that's just how my pet peeve works.

[jackfaire]

On the other hand it's annoying when someone offers something or asks if you will do something and you say, "Oh no that's not something I do"

"why not?"

"Oh it's against my personal ethics"

Then I usually spend 15 minutes explaining that they can stop being defensive that I wasn't saying they shouldn't do it.

[Hobbs]

Play this game before saying Vegetarian is moral