No birth control for men

[AFPheonix]

other than the class action lawsuits due to wrongful death-currently 3 so far for a 5 second google search

and the patch lawsuits

That first link stated that there were no class action lawsuits, at least currently I could probably find websites like that on many drugs that have been proven to be within acceptable margins of risk. Oh look, here's one for a fairly innocuous OTC med, Ibuprofen: http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/case/advil.html

Also, your 2nd link is 3 years old. Got anything more current than that? Estrogen therapy is linked to blood clots. We all take a risk with that when we use hormonal birth control. The woman year thing was to account for people who didn't use the patch for a long time. Her research still indicated that while clots still occurred, they didn't occur more often than expected. Also, this article, like most mainstream media articles on meds, was pretty short on data and high on drama.

[powerboy]

Yay! One willing candidate! Anymore out there? If we get enough, maybe they will hear our cries...

I am here. I would love to just take a pill. Tired of always using a condom

[Zyanya]

Here is the problem with the birth control pill for men -

http://www.glennsacks.com/do_women_really.htm

Woman #1: “My [husband, boyfriend, significant other] is selfish. He's on the pill and won’t get off. I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.”

Woman #2: “That’s what the pill has given men—a right to be perpetual adolescents. It’s given them veto power over women who want to have children.”

It *gasp* prevents a certain type of woman from having a kid against her partner's wishes. They buy into the stereotype that part of 'growing up' is being a parent.

BULLSHIT.

[Seshat]

I'm totally in favour of both sexes having reliable, reversible, safe, affordable birth control.

I'm also in favour of both sexes having reliable, non-reversible, safe, affordable birth control available for those who wish it.

I believe that the only parents should be those who fervently desire the experience and responsibility of taking two gametes, and over the course of a couple of decades, helping the product of those games become a healthy, happy, productive human being. (Disability or other bad luck permitting.)

So I'm strongly in favour of contraception; for the sake of the unwanted children even more than for the sake of their unwilling parents.

And I'm strongly in favour of both sexes having that contraception because humans are strange and sometimes selfish creatures. Like it or not, there are women who will lie to a man about their fertility status, men who will lie to women, and people of both sexes who will poke holes in condoms.

Be responsible for your own contraception: and your own STD protection.

And US guys? Start a letter-writing campaign pleading for the various forms of reversible, safe male contraception that are in use overseas. US gals who believe like I do: help them.

(Please note: I do not believe in forcing contraception on anyone. I do, however, believe in it being available to everyone.)

(Note II: people who are physically adult but emotionally/mentally incapable of handling pregnancy/childbirth are a really tricky moral case, and I defer to their parents, guardians, and ethical advisor of choice.)

[Slytovhand]

Zyanya, your quotes disturb me... (well, ok... quotes from the site disturb me...).

That's in pretty much the same vein as what others on here have said, Seshat the most recent.

If a woman wants to have kids, then she's got to either find a partner who wants to have kids as well (and fully accepts and understands the responsibilities involved), or has to deal with having kids without having a dad around - before it happens (unless someone else is willing to step into that role).

But to force a person into parenthood... especially without their knowledge - that's crap!

I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.”

OMG!! Really? He knows where he's at, and you want to force him to be elsewhere... gasp!

Please excuse the sexist stereotyping, but this wraps it up nicely (for the above), and it's an old saying... Men marry women and want her to stay the same - but they change. Women marry men hoping they will change, but they don't. Not true for everyone (naturally - male or female), but certainly says exactly what those quotes are saying.


Although... in saying that (about the kids bit), yeah - it does mature some people out there. Settles them down, makes them take a bigger look at thier life, etc (not that I'd recommend it as a way to do it )


Slyt

[BlaqueKatt]

That first link stated that there were no class action lawsuits

Wasn't aware a website listing lawyers- titled "nuvaring Class Action lawsuits" didn't pertain to class action lawsuits-silly me

The woman year thing was to account for people who didn't use the patch for a long time. Her research still indicated that while clots still occurred, they didn't occur more often than expected.

The person doing the research was being paid by the manufacturer-so of course she wouldn't see anything wrong-even though the FDA researchers did. And she Invented the "woman year" Vs current users(current users is what is used for EVERY OTHER study for the safety of medicine)---her method of "woman years" leaves people open to the possiblilty that something is NOT SAFE long term. If you only have short term data and manipulate the data to make it seem like longer you have faulty data.

Example-using "woman years" you have three women on something for 4 months-wow one year of safe use for one user. What if the dangerous side effects don't show up for six months or a year-you won't know until it's in widespread use.


google
nuvaring class action lawsuits
or
birth control patch lawsuits

you claim mine are bad find ones that prove they're safe that are not from people PAID BY THE MANUFACTURER.

[AFPheonix]

You weren't aware, or you didn't bother to click your own link to make sure it backed up your assertion?

I'm not disagreeing with you that the patch doesn't have a level of risk. I am simply making the case that if you want to make a case for your opinion, take the time to get decent, non-drama filled links. Here is what the FDA says about it. http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopag...ra/default.htm
Personally, the risk is within reasonable bounds for me, so I continue to use it.

As for Nuvaring, I see no bulletins posted for it at this time. When I say "I hear nothing but good things", I'm referring to my pharmacy clientele who are using it and liking it. I will agree that this medication, like all medications, will have a degree of risk associated with it. So does Ibuprofen, as I pointed out earlier.

[Greenday]

I just want to point out, it's not the people doing research that put out misleading data, it's the advertisers. Scientists just find the results. They let other people do the interpretation. Data can be made to look like whatever the advertisers want. It's all a matter of how it's displayed.

[wanderingjoe72]

Wow Pedersen, sounds like you got a bad Doc. I had a vas about a year and a half ago and had no problem.

It was the outpatient type. Went in, got prepped, a little local and I was good. Thorough Doc too. Removed a section, cauterized both ends and put clips on them. I was able to walk out after too.

Then again everybody is different.

I am all for more b/c options for men. I know I would have gladly used them in my younger days. Condoms are not so fun (unless they light up and vibrate).

[Pedersen]

Wow Pedersen, sounds like you got a bad Doc. I had a vas about a year and a half ago and had no problem.

Actually, I had no problems afterwards. Drove myself home, even. Took it easy for a couple days, and that was it.

Just the actual procedure hurt way way more than expected. Even the attending nurse commented that I appeared to be experiencing more pain than most guys.

As far as I can tell, my pain threshold, at least in that circumstance, is non-existent. *shrug*

[Evandril]

I know mine was less annoying than some trips to the dentist (vas) The 'keep it iced!' wasn't fun, but it sounds like they didn't use enough pain-killers or the like to me.

Personally, I'd have LOVED their to be a male version of birth control, other than surgery/condom...But the surgery was the main option, at the time.

The argument about not trusting the man to take it...Well, if it doesn't exist, you KNOW they didn't take it, so how are you worse off? If you don't trust 'em, take your own form *shrugs*