Hindu woman dies after being denied an abortion because "this is a Catholic country"

[AmbrosiaWriter]

it's in legal limbo, actually. Courts have said it's got to be legal in the case of mother's health, but the Oireachtas hasn't yet actualyl specifically amended the laws.

The problem isn't whether or not it's legal though. The doctors didn't say "It's illegal" to the mother when she asked for an abortion to save her life. They said This is a Catholic country. Them changing the law isn't going to change people's personal morals. The next mum is going to come around, needing an abortion to save her life, and they can still say This is a Catholic country/I'm Catholic so no abortion for you.

Unless they make it illegal to not give an abortion when the mother's life is on the line, I don't know if making abortion to save the mother's life legal will change anything.

[s_stabeler]

it's in legal limbo, actually. Courts have said it's got to be legal in the case of mother's health, but the Oireachtas hasn't yet actualyl specifically amended the laws.

[Rapscallion]

An update

http://news.msn.com/world/irish-gove...ving-abortions

Irish lawmakers consider abortion for life saving purposes

From what Static said earlier, it's apparently already legal if the mother is in jeapardy?

Rapscallion

[Racket_Man]

An update

http://news.msn.com/world/irish-gove...ving-abortions

Irish lawmakers consider abortion for life saving purposes

[Aethian]

I was technically a living abortion being born 12 weeks early. It's just they were able to keep me alive even tho one nurse had to be kept away from Mom and I because of some stupid notion.

[Duelist925]

I don't get it. Why would a Catholic hospital object to removing a fetus that's already dead?

There was still a heartbeat. While it wasn't dead, however, there was pretty much no chance of it being viable--it was going to die no matter what.

[HYHYBT]

I don't get it. Why would a Catholic hospital object to removing a fetus that's already dead?

[AccountingDrone]

<checks to make sure this is fratching>Yup. Good.

OK, I make no secret about my checkered past - I lost 3 kids, the first 2 when I was fairly young, the last back in 1996. This is specifically about Kid the Second.

I was *5* months along, and I started getting worried because the movements *stopped* so I call my OB and he gets me in to the hospital that he was associated with, a Catholic hospital. They do all sorts of things to check, and the sprog is dead and I am having health issues directly related to going septic on top of the preeclampsia that I have been plagued with [ok, on top of the gestational diabetes. My body really dislikes being pregnant and shows it.]

So Doc Dave tries to arrange a theraputic abortion. The hospital refuses. He argues again, they refuse. So my body does the fair thing, goes into labor and expels the dead kid. This wipes out my kidneys, so I end up very very ill. I drop from 135 to 92 pounds in under a week - I look like someone from that place with the sign Arbeit Mach Frei.

He wants to go in and tie my tubes because a third go around will kill me. Nope, no way, this is a *catholic* hospital. He points out that firstly, I am not Catholic, and secondly another pregnancy will probably kill me. They still refuse. On top of this, the bitches on the floor let a bunch of jackasses into my room to lecture me about the evils of abortion [since that is what my charts have on them, even though it didn't actually occur.] Doc Dave is pretty seriously pissed off by now, so he moves me over to Strong Memorial, moves his entire practice over, and I get a tubal ligation.

[and why yes, I did mention I got pregnant a third time. Oops. The old style tubal was the loop over and rubber band type. The rubber band broke Shit happens.]

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[ExRetailDrone]

This is truly and utterly disgusting. I feel pure disgust and anger to my core for what this poor woman went through and what her family has to now go through. It's not like she just wanted an abortion because she didn't want the child. The doctors told her specifically that the baby would not make it. She was clearly suffering and not doing well. Even after she collapsed, they still wouldn't do anything?!? Disgraceful and morally repugnant! I... I just have no words strong enough for what I feel.

[Fire_on_High]

This case has been one of the most tragic and insane things I've heard in quite a while.

[draco664]

Long story short, this poor woman was admitted to hospital while suffering a miscarriage. She requested a termination several times over the next few days, which was repeatedly refused as the foetus still had a heartbeat (even though there was zero chance of it surviving). The woman died in hospital a week later.

Yeah. I thought the depths of evil had been well and truly plunged when the Church came out and intervened in the case of the 12 year old rape victim getting an abortion - their position being that the little girl should die just so they could act all holy because they tried to save a pair of babies that would have died anyway.

Now, the position appears to be, let the mother die even though her baby was already dead.

Nice work, Catholic Church. What's next?

[AmbrosiaWriter]

this article explains it pretty well.

It explains it, but that doesn't mean I'm no longer boggling over it.

[BlaqueKatt]

why is the idea okay for some people to put the mother at risk and kill her even though the baby is going to die anyway? It boggles!

this article explains it pretty well.

They started with a predetermined conclusion, which is that nothing—not even the will to live—matters more than being a life support system for a fetus, even if it’s dying naturally. They then created a bullshit rationale to justify it.

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