Miss California?

[Nyoibo]

Years ago, they were able to control this effeminate and/or butch behavior in public and act relatively 'normal'. This leads me to believe this isn't something they're doing because it's who they are, but something they're doing specifically because they can now without serious repercussions in most cases.

No, it's something they're doing to be who they are because they are now able to act like themselves in public without risking being lynched.

I think there's a difference because gays were and probably still are spreading disease through sexual immorality, and deliberate choices to engage in risky sex,

And the fact that the nuber of cases of STI's in heterosexual teens is rising means homosexuals are the ones engaging in risky sex and immorality?

Sorry to rain on your little parade, but crime is DOWN.

That's right, DOWN. It's people perception of every single act of violence that happens anywhere which has grown, distorted by the fact that it's obsessed over by the media. Nevertheless, violent crime, mass shooting, etc. are all DOWN.

Just thought I'd get some facts out there.

Like crime going down 40% but media coverage increasing by 600%?

Sorry, was just watching Bowling for Columbine.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Just look at Deviant Art

And yeah, still on the decade-to-decade scope, violent crime is still DOWN!

It makes me happy

In fact, going into that issue a bit further, violent crime seems to be almost directly related to the poverty level... entirely separate from morality...

[JuniorMintz]

this is where I have confusion. How can I be both a great guy and a deviant at the same time?

Deviants are great, don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise!

[smileyeagle1021]

You sound like a great guy.



I think homosexuality is a deviant behavior and immoral. I would tell you that if you were here in person too.

this is where I have confusion. How can I be both a great guy and a deviant at the same time?

And as for sinful behavior bringing judgment upon society... would you care to explain how it is that the European countries that are much less 'moral' by American standards routinely get better quality of life scores than the United States, or why Canada which 'condones' sinful behavior hasn't been as hard hit by the global recession as the United States? I know Utahns like to use the argument that look at how little Utah has been effected, it must be because of our upstanding morals... well no, Utah is the best off now numbers wise because we started out best off, we went from 2% unemployment to 6%.... a 300% increase of unemployment... has anywhere else beside detroit seen those percentage increase? And even then, the only reason unemployment is that low has nothing to do with morals, it has to do with the state's lose labor laws that allow lower pay, mandate less benefits, and have practically destroyed the usefulness of unions (which I guess you could argue whether or not unions are really useful, but that's another thread). If 'sinful' California and Nevada were to also drop their minimum wage, drop all other employment benefit requirements, encourage businesses to offer the same less than national average pay as Utahns receive, and destroy the efficiency of unions they too would have lower unemployment, but then again, their jobs would suck just as much as ours did... that's always been and always will be the trade off.

[BroomJockey]

. Several decades ago you used to be able to walk in a city without worrying too much about being attacked and killed. Not so today.

Which decade? Looks like in 2005, the rate is nearly back to the 50s....

[JuniorMintz]

All of the New Testament is important Scripture for Christians.

AGAIN, you are avoiding the question. Why are you quoting PAUL when we said that CHRIST never talked about homosexuality?

[Rubystars]

Sorry to rain on your little parade, but crime is DOWN.

That's right, DOWN. It's people perception of every single act of violence that happens anywhere which has grown, distorted by the fact that it's obsessed over by the media. Nevertheless, violent crime, mass shooting, etc. are all DOWN.

Just thought I'd get some facts out there.

I'm talking about crime now vs. several decades ago. I'm not talking about year to year fluctuations.

so in answer to an assertion that christ never said anything about homosexuality, you give us paul's epistle to the corinthians? sorry, doesn't fly. these are paul's words, not christ's.

All of the New Testament is important Scripture for Christians.

[Rubystars]

Ok, I can't type or think straight (pun not intended), so I'll bid you guys g'night.

lol, good night

[linguist]

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible...&v=1&t=KJV#top
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so in answer to an assertion that christ never said anything about homosexuality, you give us paul's epistle to the corinthians? sorry, doesn't fly. these are paul's words, not christ's.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

As I said before, it hasn't happened yet, but we will have to wait and see what happens. At any rate your side does seem to be winning. I can't prove something that hasn't yet occurred. I do think that if morals continue to degrade that society will degrade with it. Several decades ago you used to be able to walk in a city without worrying too much about being attacked and killed. Not so today. Sometimes I wonder if this is a direct result of the moral looseness of modern society.

Sorry to rain on your little parade, but crime is DOWN.

That's right, DOWN. It's people perception of every single act of violence that happens anywhere which has grown, distorted by the fact that it's obsessed over by the media. Nevertheless, violent crime, mass shooting, etc. are all DOWN.

Just thought I'd get some facts out there.

[Cat]

Ok, I can't type or think straight (pun not intended), so I'll bid you guys g'night.

[Rubystars]

High crime rates can have many reason, not just the percieved "loosening of morals," which again, is an opinion

Yes it is an opinion, but I think many things contribute to it, but that may be at the heart of it.

[Cat]

High crime rates can have many reason, not just the percieved "loosening of morals," which again, is an opinion

[Rubystars]

As I said before, it hasn't happened yet, but we will have to wait and see what happens. At any rate your side does seem to be winning. I can't prove something that hasn't yet occurred. I do think that if morals continue to degrade that society will degrade with it. Several decades ago you used to be able to walk in a city without worrying too much about being attacked and killed. Not so today. Sometimes I wonder if this is a direct result of the moral looseness of modern society.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I believe that sinful behavior brings judgment upon a society. No, I'm not expecting "fire and brimstone" to reign down, but I do think that society will suffer in the long run if we openly embrace things like homosexuality as being normal and acceptable. This view is based in my religious background.

I'm very sorry, but if you could please PROVE IT. As broom said, LALA IM RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG doesn't count as debate. No evidence? no validity.