TV shows you can't stand.

[Gravekeeper]

And I didn't even try to watch Nancy Grace, either.

That woman is a vile harpy to be frank.

[DrFaroohk]

Regarding Fringe, has Peter's absurd skepticism made it's showing yet? Every episode is basically "I don't believe any of this sci fi crap...even though I see it every day with my own two eyes!"

[Gravekeeper]

Regarding Fringe, has Peter's absurd skepticism made it's showing yet? Every episode is basically "I don't believe any of this sci fi crap...even though I see it every day with my own two eyes!"

Gah, are you serious? No it hasn't. How the hell can they possibly make him a skeptic after the first season and all the shit he sees, hears and works directly with hands on in the lab? ><

[DrFaroohk]

Yeah. They tone it town way later, but for a while it's just dumb.

"What? People can teleport!? What's next, you can plug people's brains in together and share consciousness? AS IF!"

[jackfaire]

On top of that she constantly puts herself in danger by not calling for back up and chasing people/creatures by herself ( something either dumbluck or another character has to save her from ). >

Though there was one time that actually is what saved her life.

[blas87]

I am not home most nights for primetime TV during the week because of my shift, but I can't believe Raising Hope is still on. That show was so stupid to begin with.

[Gravekeeper]

Though there was one time that actually is what saved her life.

That doesn't negate her raging stupidity the rest of the time. The whole "Dead traitor yet not traitor but actually traitor but maybe not but still a total asshole boyfriend living in my head" sub plot was embarrassing to watch.

I also have no idea how you could possibly add scepticism to Peter as a character after all the shit he sees, does and sticks his hands inside in the lab over the course of season 1.

[jackfaire]

I also have no idea how you could possibly add scepticism to Peter as a character after all the shit he sees, does and sticks his hands inside in the lab over the course of season 1.

There are a lot of skeptics in science who will test and verify before believing something that sounds crazy.

If he were "No way you cannot link two conciousness" after having seen it done that would be stupid but being all, "No way you can't possibly do that thing that we have never seen done before" Isn't really all that out there.

How many scientific advances were made while people who had seen amazing advances themselves are saying, "No way you can't do that"

[Gravekeeper]

There are a lot of skeptics in science who will test and verify before believing something that sounds crazy.

Yes, in science. But we're talking about a TV show. One where the character in question directly witnesses or actively takes part in breaking pretty much every law of nature over the course of the first season alone. For him to suddenly get skeptical about what is and isn't possible is just bad writing. As all of his experience in the first season proves that literally anything is possible. There's really no scientific law the first season doesn't whiz on. >.>

[jackfaire]

Yes, in science. But we're talking about a TV show.

So in the TV show even though they are dealing with science, that works somewhat differently in ways from our world's science at times.

He should not have the skepticism of a scientist because he is what a TV Character so he should automatically believe everything even though as a guy with a scientist for a father would have been taught, "Question everything?"

I would consider it bad writing if he just accepted that since one crazy ass thing is possible every crazy ass thing is possible even if they are unrelated.

[dendawg]

The Simposons and all of its spinoffs.]

Umm...what spinoffs? Surely you don't think Futurama counts.

[Gravekeeper]

So in the TV show even though they are dealing with science, that works somewhat differently in ways from our world's science at times.

Ok, I'm not sure what or why you're arguing this as it really doesn't sound like you've seen the show. His dad is a scientist yeah, a scientist whose been in a mental institute for the past 17 years and essentially in no way been in his life since he was a kid and even when he was a kid he resented his dad for being a scientist. Here's the last two things the character in question did on the show in season 1:

Used a Geiger counter and a 20 year old electron microscope to build a machine that could scan vinyl records and translate the image of the groves back into music. He then used this machine to play back a piece of glass he cut out of a window into a record shape and this magically gave him a full minute worth of crystal clear audio of what happened in the room prior to their arrival.

He closed a dimensional gateway into a parallel universe using what appeared to be a stud finder wrapped in electrical tape.

Aside from that he's witnessed, experimented on or actively taken part in investigations that proved: Telepathy, pyrokinesis, people that can control electricity with their mind, precognition, linked conciousness, memory transfer, active genetic rewriting on living people, genetically engineered monsters of various shapes and sizes, spinal vampires, computer programs that can liquefy people's brains, people who can microwave people to death with their brains, magical unaging albino children that are born from nothingness, walking through solid matter, magic chemicals that can dissolve people or cause their entire face to disappear, teleportation, time travel and parallel universes.

At no point during all of this was he sceptical and this is not a show that goes "Oooh, we'll never know what really happened!" at the end of the episode. Every cause of every case is proven by the end of the episode.

So for him to suddenly turn sceptical is bad writing, yes. It'd be like having Mulder and Scully swap personalities just for one season.

[jackfaire]

So for him to suddenly turn sceptical is bad writing, yes. It'd be like having Mulder and Scully swap personalities just for one season.

Actually I almost stopped watching after season 1 for the fact that they were all seeing these crazy whacked out things and everyone of them was acting like it was someone showing off a microwave.

Making him Skeptical made him more realistic to my mind.

And I won't spoil it but there was a time when he wanted to be like his dad. There was a moment that changed and he grew to resent him but that part has an in story reason.

[Gravekeeper]

Actually I almost stopped watching after season 1 for the fact that they were all seeing these crazy whacked out things and everyone of them was acting like it was someone showing off a microwave.

That certainly sums it up, yeah. The first two episodes were great, nice and sciencey. Everything after it was hit and miss. Especially every episode that focused on Olivia Drama(tm).

Making him Skeptical made him more realistic to my mind.

Problem is not being sceptical to begin with. If he had started with that trait and had to slowly go "Wait, holy shit" at all the stuff he was seeing that would have been a realistic character arc. But doing it in reverse is bad writing. It sounds like they tried to sort of retool the show and forget season 1.

[jackfaire]

I meant that in Season 1 no one was really like WTF.

But I am now fully onboard the Fringe doesn't know what the hell it is doing train.


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In the latest episode of Fringe Peter goes into his dad's house in a timeline where his dad hasn't lived in the house since the 80s.

In Peter's normal timeline him and his dad live in this house. The set designers apparently forgot. They covered the place in dust and put sheets over all of the furniture.

The stupid part is that they forgot to take out the flat screen tv and the armchair of a design not seen until the 90s at least.

Things that in that timeline would not have been there.