Guns In Public

[Fryk]

I don't understand the logic of concealed weaponry for the general public. Hell, for anyone. If the point is that would be assailants will back down/flee/not try anything in the first place if they think that their target is armed, wouldn't it make more sense to carry the weapon out in the open? The only advantage I can see in a concealed weapon is the ability to surprise and ambush your opponent. Why is that necessary?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Because the element of surprise is a big part of ensuring success. If you carry openly, you're allowing the criminal to have the element of surprise, and you're screwed. One or the other side is going to have this element and it sure as hell shouldn't be the mugger, don't you think?

To say nothing of the fact that open carriers are often harassed in urban areas regardless of legality.

Those inclined to stop their intended crime before it starts will probably do so the moment they realize the weapon is present. Furthermore, no criminal flees just because they see that someone in the area has a gun before they make their move. It's a drawn or otherwise ready weapon that scares criminals off.

In short, Open carry can work, but concealed is much, much better and in no way unreasonable. In this country at least, you're supposed to have a reason for outlawing something and there's really no good reason to eliminate concealed carry permits.

P.S. If you don't understand the tactical mindset, ask someone who does. It is at once way more complicated than many people think, and very simple to those who already understand it. Feel free to ask me any other firearms related questions, as I'm only too happy to answer them. Knowledge is power after all.

[Nyoibo]

Because carrying a weapon also makes you a target.

[jackfaire]

I use to always carry a knife and a pair of cuffs. These days the most I can carry is cuffs my work would fire me if I was caught with anything more.

[BlaqueKatt]

Police have extensive training in how to fire guns and how to handle crisis situations.

Many people vastly, and I mean vastly over-estimate the amount of required training given to a LEO, in weapons use and crisis management. They may secure additional training and may spend extra time on the range, but it's not at all required.

yup they are only required 4-16 hours PER YEAR-it's unpaid and must be done in their off duty hours-I have more hours in every month than that.

Add to this that very high-quality weapons handling, crisis management, and general self-defense training is available to the public at large, often for very low price (without effecting quality) especially from the NRA (about as legit as it gets, my friends)

My friend is an armed security guard for a company with it's own private SWAT team(they were called in for Katrina)-he just took a 24 hour(2 12 hour classes) on DAAT(defense and arrest tactics)-they covered everything the police go through-so not much training for that either.

[Ree]

Do the police terrify you, <snip>

Hey, BlaqueKatt, a lot of that argument sounds like it came from another website, but you didn't give the link for your source.
Do you still have it?

I found some of it here, and here on page 11, word for word, but haven't been able to locate the rest.
If you have the source, could you please provide the links rather than copy/paste due to possible copyright infringement?

Thanks.

[BlaqueKatt]

If you have the source, could you please provide the links rather than copy/paste due to copyright infringement?

added the link-This report is in the public domain. Authorization to reproduce it in whole or inpart is granted. While permission to reprint this publication is not necessary, the citation should be: Fein, R., Vossekuil, B., Pollack, W., Borum, R., Modzeleski, W., & Reddy, M. Threat Assessment in Schools: A Guide to Managing Threatening Situations and to Creating Safe School Climates. U.S. Department of Education, Office of Elementary and Secondary Education, Safe and Drug-Free Schools Program and U.S. Secret Service, National Threat Assessment Center, Washington, D.C., 2002

[Ree]

You knew that permission to reproduce it was granted, but we didn't, as you didn't give a link.

It looked like your own words, so I was confused when I found them in a Google search.

I noticed the sites I was able to find had a copyright. This one does, anyway.