Swearing

[jackfaire]

What is the difference between "People are out to get me"

and "If people want to pick on someone it will always be me"

The fact that one is premeditated and the other is not?

[DrFaroohk]

Yeah reread that a couple of times and if you don't realize you just said, "They aren't out to get me except they are" then I don't know what language your speaking.

Still not getting it.

Out to get me = people sitting at home all day scheming against me. This is stupid and it doesn't happen.

So no one can ever use the argument again that I think everyone's out to get me. It has been definitively stated here by the masterful expert on ME, which is of course...ME.

What I'm saying happens is that I'm an easy target. And it tends to suck. you wonder where my attitude came from? My defensiveness and snark? Yeah, I didn't just wake up one day and say "how can I piss off all these nice wonderful people in the world? Things are going great, I'd better develop an attitude and learn how to upset people and make them hate me just by saying good morning!"

[Ginger Tea]

I had a real life work around for swearing at work, I was once told off for swearing at work, although I am of the oppinion like Blas, it's a factory get over it.

"But you let the Polish and Lithuainians swear."
"That's cos I don't know the language to know what they are saying."
"I don't either, but I know a forign Shit and a Fuck when I hear it."
At the time we had promoted one Lithuainian and one Polish employee to team leader, mostly so we had someone who could tell them what to do negating the excuse of "I didn't do it cos I didn't know what you meant.", if they were not going to inforce any no swearing policy for forign swear words, then I would just swear in forign.
Actually I cheated, I once told someone "Denwa bango!" in the context of go fuck yourself, but one guy who used to teach english as a forign language in Japan asked "Why did you just shout out telephone number?"
"Not so loud, I want them to think it means something nasty."

which sigues into
Store guy was learning Russian insults off one guy, if I was in his shoes, I would totally mess with him, I would have him branding a broken beer bottle yelling in Russian "I want to give you a blow job!"

Also, just cos someone has broken the rules and gotten away with it, it doesn't mean its fair to do the same, granted the first instance may not have been seen by a mod or reported to one, then again, said poster mght be on a different level in their eyes and get away with anything short of murder.

Sure I've posted this before ...
Again with a real work related issue, one guy could get away with chronic sexual harrasment and never be reported, I don't know if they just laughed it off or didn't know the pollicy and how UK laws might differ from back home (I still think the agency tries to rob them blind telling them that X is the nat min wage and Y (the real nat min wage) is so much better.).
We once had a sexual harrasment at work woman come in, at first I thought maybe someone did say something about it and we were all being given the talk instead of just singling out the real culprit, also, I have no idea how much of it anyone understood as English is not really needed to undertake the tasks at hand.
One of the office girls said she didn't like it when this guy grabs her hand and says "hey baby bla bla bla."
and his responce?
"Well maybe I should kiss you." cue everyone bar me the woman in question and the woman running the talk giggling, yet did she bring that up as something NOT to do? did she fuck, although she did say that it doesn't have to be the person being harrased that could make a complaint, so I was tempted to file a complaint then and there.
For a time I was lucky to not get a talking to for just saying hello and being friendly, yet this guy could damn near fuck someone in the unit and get away with it.

He was eventually taken to task over it "Everyone knows I'm joking." yeah everyone knows I'm only joking when I say <enter sackable comment here>, doen't mean I should say it at work.
The woman in question took offence to him calling her baby or something (don't know as he works in the main unit and I have my own giant fridge mostly to myself) but she didn't go to the office, she told her driver boyfriend who took offence and complained, it's like the report button.

Supervisors can not see everything everywhere, we do not have CCTV with audio to make sure no one is saying anything they shouldn't, so I stopped bringing up the fact that some people do the same shit that is meant to be a sackable offence, as unless a supervisor sees it, its just my word.

Well guess what, same guy as above was seen by a supervisor doing something that is meant to be a sackable offence and did fuck all about it, even denied being there at the time.
When we had less work, I used to share the same fridge, funny I saw him talk to him only a few meters away and he was eating a sandwich at the time.
Eating in the unit a sackable offence, on paper anyway, its hard to enforce it when the team leaders also eat in the unit.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Well, I want to know straight up: Did Dr. F read the TOS on the board we're talking about? He never said he didn't have to, granted. But he didn't say he actually did it.

The way the statement was written implies you didn't read it. If we are misinterpreting that, then I for one apologize. However, the way the posts were worded led me there.

So, Dr. F...did you in fact read the TOS?

Also, suggesting the mods read each and every post because the users are strongly urged to read the TOS is a ludicrous argument. That comment is on the same level as my five year old complaining it's not fair she has to pick up the half dozen toys she scattered about while I'm cleaning the entire house, folding laundry, and cooking supper.

The users are not asked to read each and every post. They are asked to do the same thing the mods have to do: familiarize themselves with the TOS and try to be alert to violations. The mods have volunteered to do extra duty by having to zero in on potential problematic posts (even if they are not interested in the thread), fend off spam, and be the whipping boy when some poster or another gets pissed off for being pulled up on his behavior.

Is this fair? Do you want it to be?

[Andara Bledin]

I feel sorry for the ones who still won't get it.

It's shit like this that gets people to single you out over others.

Maybe if you tried to be less aggressively unpleasant to everybody who doesn't think like you, you wouldn't have so much trouble being targeted.

So I'm just applying that universally. I don't the excuse, so no one else does either.

It amuses me that you think that poster duties are somehow the same as mod duties.

As posters, we all are supposed to know the rules of the forum. That includes everybody, posters and mods alike.

Mods have a separate duty to enforce rules when they find infractions, whether that be through reading the forum themselves or by other posters finding infractions and using the report button like adults. They do not, and have never had, a duty to read every single post on the board. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

Yeah reread that a couple of times and if you don't realize you just said, "They aren't out to get me except they are" then I don't know what language your speaking.

No, no. Go over that again. He said that he doesn't think that "everybody" is out to get him. But some people really are.

^-.-^

[Ginger Tea]

I was under the impression you were not asked to read all the posts, perhaps that should be a "clean all the things!" gif, but you expected a mod to read all the posts no matter how many there were or how long it would take them, considering this is an unpaid gig and everyone has something to do with their free time than spend every spare moment reading every post ever on a forum.

I as a user, only read threads that take my fancy, I am under no obligation to read every sodding page of a thread that didn't interest me past the OP, or even the title.
You as a user, are also under no obligation to read, read, read, read, read thread after thread till the cows come home, just the ones that interest you.
All that is asked of we users, is that we read the TOS, once upon sign up and perhaps again as a refresher, if we are PM'ed or told in a thread that what we are posting goes against the TOS.

[linguist]

I'm saying it's not ok for one person to say they don't have time to read, but then to expect me to read everything.

this is a rather ridiculous and far-fetched apples to oranges comparison.

nobody is asking you to read *everything*. nowhere has anyone made mention of the necessity of you reading every single post on the board every single day, which is what you are asking of the mods.

you are being asked to read a single document, one which on most fora you must acknowledge having read and understood before you're even allowed to register. so either you read it and agree to it, or you prove yourself a liar. maybe you'll have to read updates once or twice a year. but still, being asked to read a single document vs. what can be hundreds of daily posts on some fora is nowhere near a valid comparison.

[DrFaroohk]

That would be a very valid argument if I seriously felt that no one has to read the TOS.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

It's perfectly reasonable to ask you to read the TOS regardless of what everyone else does. Someone else's slack behavior is not an excuse for everyone to be slack. Maybe you're not, but you're wrong about it not being fair. It's perfectly fair and reasonable.

Because you're supposed to read the TOS.

If someone else isn't that's someone else's issue. If there is favoritism that no one is willing to resolve, leave the site. But there is no unfairness here in expecting everyone who uses the site to read the TOS.

[DrFaroohk]

If you didn't read the TOS of whatever site you're kvetching about, you are. You didn't read pertinent info, THEY didn't read pertinent info.

Seriously? Have you honestly skipped over my posts? I was using that AS AN EXAMPLE.

E-X-A-M-P-L-E. I've explained this. I'm not claiming I don't have time to read the posts.

I'm saying it's not ok for one person to say they don't have time to read, but then to expect me to read everything.

Got it? Can I make it any more clear? Cuz I'm getting tired of people once again misreading everything I write and then changing the subject and whatever else is going on. It's getting old.

But again to clarify...

I'm not claiming I don't have time to read the posts.

I'm saying it's not ok for one person to say they don't have time to read, but then to expect me to read everything.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Didn't realize there was another post to reply to so here goes....


I'm not expecting special treatment nor asking for it. I just want SAME treatment.

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If you didn't read the TOS of whatever site you're kvetching about, you are. You didn't read pertinent info, THEY didn't read pertinent info.

And I would submit that if you have time to hang out on message boards, then you have time to read a TOS. This is a leisure activity. If you have time for a leisure activity, you have time to read a page or two of house rules.

If you don't, log off, get up, and get busy with whatever is so pressing.

[dendawg]

<holds hands with dendawg>

Th-Th-Th-That's all from me, folks!

[DrFaroohk]

And all can live in peace and harmony!


<holds hands with dendawg>

We are the world.....we are......

[dendawg]

Now, in the same light, I expect you to remove YOUR accusation as well:

Done......

[Ginger Tea]

edit:
Jack's very similar post was not up when I started typing this, not a slow typer, just didn't type and post, re read a few times and made myself a coffee first.

As far as I knew I was within the bounds of the rules by censoring myself. No matter how you want to twist it around in your mind, $ does not equal S. Apparently the mods disagreed.

I've already posted something like this, but I'll post it again.
So if $ is not representing an S, then what is a "A dollar dollar hole" then?
same as 5 H ! T, if you are not bragging about the mess your bowels made, then what does "I took a massive five haych exclamationmark tee and stank the place out." mean, as 5h!t is not a product or name or order code, it's just a way of typing out shit.

If their TOS says obsfucicating (sp) swear words with 5/$ S's etc still equals the word itself, then learn from the mistake.
Perhaps others get a 72 hour post ban for saying fa&&ot, but unless, like with the escapist, you don't get a meantion in your avatar box that you are under probation, who's to know who is or is not under a warning for leet swearing.

As for mods reading every post, I'll take it that a WoW forum would be quite large and require a far greater quantity of mods than fratching or CS, still for all mods to read all posts, is still a huge undertaking and comparing reading a thousand posts a week to reading one page once in your life, remind me not to ask you to calibrate my scales.

Perhaps they are allocated threds created by <user1234> to police, so if you post something in a <user1234> thread, then you will always get the same mod watching it run it's course.

Perhaps some users do get a reputation and come under greater scruitiny, not in lets provoke him into saying something so we can punish him/her, but past history has shown <user5678> has a habit of provoking flame wars, especially if they have nothing to do with the thread at hand. Perhaps they are just awaiting the inevitable.
I used to always look forwards to a new post by this one guy (who's either banned or left for the umpteenth time) they were always good for a laugh, one time he used the excuse of his father being in the hospital for nasal surgery as him having a free pass to call everyone asking him to grow up faggots.
His fathers wellbeing had nothing to do with his attitude, he was just a nob and I think someone replied along the lines of "well let's hope his sence of smell doesn't improve, the stench of BS is bad enough as it is over here."

Which gets me back to the main point BS invariably means bull shit, yes it could be initials for people like Brent Spinner or Barbara Striesland (sp), but in context "the stench of Brent Spinner is bad enough over here."
I wasn't aware he was stinky.